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The Flood / Re: Whats you favorite anime?
« on: September 25, 2015, 12:56:31 AM »
Baccano easily

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The Flood / Re: Would you engage in acts of a sexual nature with your avatar
« on: September 25, 2015, 12:47:21 AM »
Not actual sex, but "sexual" acts for sure

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The Flood / I expressly said no rakes
« on: September 24, 2015, 05:57:15 PM »
Discuss times your brilliance has been denied by the sheep around you

no sheep allowed

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The Flood / Re: So what should I shapeshift into next?
« on: September 24, 2015, 05:51:58 PM »
I'm Second fucking class mate

kind of a big deal

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The Flood / Re: So what should I shapeshift into next?
« on: September 24, 2015, 05:49:25 PM »
Boo

not cool

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The Flood / Re: So what should I shapeshift into next?
« on: September 24, 2015, 05:48:02 PM »
Mai/Ty Lee

then we just need one more to complete the posse

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The Flood / User obsessions
« on: September 24, 2015, 03:43:00 PM »
What users are known by their obsession with something?

Elegiac - foxes
Mmmmm Napalm -- Germany
Me -- a certain TLA character

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Because you're not in your right mind.
You mean like a depressed person?

Nevertheless, psychopaths often are in their right mind. They aren't legally insane, and psychopathy is egosyntonic practically by definition.
Depression isn't an actual change in consent. You can still make choices and such, there are no actual delusions. That's more what I'm talking about.

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Because you're not in your right mind. If I developed a condition like that at some point, I wouldn't want the decisions I make in that state to be used as my official will.

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You have no obligation to continue existing, period.
I didn't say anybody did; we're talking about a mental illness. Should we section some schizophrenics or psychopaths on the basis that they have a heightened capacity to commit violence?
Not everyone who commits suicide has a mental illness. If you have a condition like psychopathy or schizophrenia, I would consider you unable to give consent.

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Surprise birthday parties are a light example. If someone makes it known they don't want them, but it still happens, that's definitely immoral.

In that way, it's more of an implied consent.
Is pulling a depressed person back from the ledge just before they jump immoral?
Of course. You have no right to stop them.
And this is why your form of morality is the most retarded fucking thing I've ever come across. It's entirely possible for people to be incorrect about what would be in their own interests--suicide being perhaps the most important example.
That's your problem - you think it matters in the least whether it's correct or not. It doesn't matter if it's a good choice. It's still solely their choice. You have no right to interfere with someone else's personal decision. Suicide is a human right. You have no obligation to continue existing, period.

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Surprise birthday parties are a light example. If someone makes it known they don't want them, but it still happens, that's definitely immoral.

In that way, it's more of an implied consent.
Is pulling a depressed person back from the ledge just before they jump immoral?
Of course. You have no right to stop them.

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All you did was state your position without arguing anything, so I did the same.
the argument is in the position itself

surprise birthday parties are non-consensual, but nobody gets all fucked about surprise birthday parties, because they tend to be a very fun and happy experience--it's a net positive
Surprise birthday parties are a light example. If someone makes it known they don't want them, but it still happens, that's definitely immoral.

In that way, it's more of an implied consent.

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I disagree completely.
this is not an counter-argument

are you unable to make a some sort of counter-argument
You need to have an argument to have a counterargument. All you did was state your position. Let me spell it out for you.

Consent is the basis of morality.
Consent is inherently valuable.
Acts against others break consent.
Acts against yourself don't.
Stopping someone from performing an act that doesn't break consent is breaking consent.
Breaking consent is immoral.

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The Flood / Re: How does it feel to have died yesterday
« on: September 24, 2015, 03:17:30 PM »
I turned into a spooky ghost

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thank you for uselessly repeating yourself instead of arguing against my point
I have to repeat myself because that's my position.

consent can be broken if there is a 100% guaranteed chance of a net positive occurring
This is yours. I disagree completely. All you did was state your position without arguing anything, so I did the same.

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Consent is the root of all morality.
i never disagreed with this

the point at which we disagree is when consent can be broken
which it can--if you have a 100% guaranteed net positive
The breaking of consent in and of itself is what's evil.

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Also, the concept of "Fuck it, if you want to do it then do it!" is fucking stupid.
Um, no. It's literally the basis of morality. It's your body, and if you want to improve or destroy it in any way, that's your choice.
the basis of morality is stupid, is the point

if i had it my way, no one would ever be able to make bad choices
ever
That's evil. You have no right to make that decision for someone else, period. We all have our time on this earth, and you can't tell someone they have to change the way they're living their life if they're only hurting themselves. Again, that would be an extremely immoral thing to impose and enforce.

One could also say it's evil to allow someone to destroy their body and life, on the basis of "I can do what I want."
One would be wrong. It's immoral to stop a consenting individual from doing anything to his own body. It's just your emotions that are blinding you here. No one has a say in what happens to your body but you.

Morality, and immorality, are both subjective. What is moral is not, for the most part, concrete.
Wrong. As long as we have feeling beings, be it animals or humans, there's objective morality. Things can be good, which helps others, or things can be bad, which hurts others. Self-actions literally can't be moral or immoral.

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If you're only affecting yourself, you can't be doing anything good or bad.
i might have thought this way when i was ten

It's just your emotions that are blinding you here.
i could say the exact same thing to you
You're not even arguing at this point, you're just insisting how above it all you are

I'm done until you actually decide you want to have a conversation

Consent is the root of all morality.

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Also, the concept of "Fuck it, if you want to do it then do it!" is fucking stupid.
Um, no. It's literally the basis of morality. It's your body, and if you want to improve or destroy it in any way, that's your choice.
the basis of morality is stupid, is the point

if i had it my way, no one would ever be able to make bad choices
ever
That's evil. You have no right to make that decision for someone else, period. We all have our time on this earth, and you can't tell someone they have to change the way they're living their life if they're only hurting themselves. Again, that would be an extremely immoral thing to impose and enforce.

One could also say it's evil to allow someone to destroy their body and life, on the basis of "I can do what I want."
One would be wrong. It's immoral to stop a consenting individual from doing anything to his own body. It's just your emotions that are blinding you here. No one has a say in what happens to your body but you.

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That's evil.
Bad choices are evil.
Uh, no. What the fuck?

Morality is tied solely to our interactions with other humans and animals. If you're only affecting yourself, you can't be doing anything good or bad.

With your logic, someone who goes out and solely lifts weights every day and eventually gets really ripped is doing a morally good act. When really, there's no morality at all involved with self-destructive or self-improving acts.

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Also, the concept of "Fuck it, if you want to do it then do it!" is fucking stupid.
Um, no. It's literally the basis of morality. It's your body, and if you want to improve or destroy it in any way, that's your choice.
the basis of morality is stupid, is the point

if i had it my way, no one would ever be able to make bad choices
ever
That's evil. You have no right to make that decision for someone else, period. We all have our time on this earth, and you can't tell someone they have to change the way they're living their life if they're only hurting themselves. Again, that would be an extremely immoral thing to impose and enforce.

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Also, the concept of "Fuck it, if you want to do it then do it!" is fucking stupid.
Um, no. It's literally the basis of morality. It's your body, and if you want to improve or destroy it in any way, that's your choice.

I didn't see they were under 18, though. In this case, it's different.

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Wait, this is self-mutilation? Because then it's a goddamn crime to make it illegal or decriminalized in any way. If you want to chop off your arm, that's your right. No different here.

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The Flood / Re: What's your power level? v2
« on: September 24, 2015, 01:31:20 PM »
1,151,010

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The Flood / Re: i'm not the only one here who unironically hates jews right?
« on: September 24, 2015, 01:07:04 PM »
I think at first I ironically hated jews, but it's turned to pretty serious hatred towards jewish people.
Why?

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The Flood / Re: Animals you used to kill when you were a child
« on: September 24, 2015, 12:55:43 PM »
None.

Who the hell kills animals for fun as a kid? Is this like a parody of "what animals did you raise as a kid" or something? What the fuck.
I'm only making edgy threads now

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The Flood / Re: sometimes
« on: September 24, 2015, 01:23:02 AM »
"I have a different opinion so I have to broadcast it to the world to look cool"

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