Except it is literally biology that a child is raised best in a traditional household

A child who is "raised best" doesn't exist. No upbringing is perfect, and I love how all of these gay bashers are silent when it comes to all the shitty heterosexual households out there.

And besides, morality > biology

You can't tell a straight person "you should do this", turn around and tell a gay person "you shouldn't do this", and still be in the right.

Quote from: Verbatim on March 30, 2016, 07:20:48 PM

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And there's literally nothing wrong with that.

Sooooo
If values don't matter, why do you advocate veganism so much?
This isn't an attack on veganism itself so don't go off on a rant on that

But if values don't matter, you would be fine with people doing anything but clearly you aren't lol

Your "values" don't matter, because they're shit. Like I said:

In general, people who put "muh society's well being" over individual rights are scum.

It's probably because I'm a humorless prude, but I hate the Serious banner a lot.

Quote from: SecondClass on March 30, 2016, 07:02:45 PM

Who said anything about treating their children romantically?

Are we still talking about incest or are you talking about something else

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It will probably be harder to raise a child in a gay household, but the point is that it's better than forcing gay people to repress themselves and their love. A gay person being forced to be in a heterosexual relationship is going to be a worse parent than a gay person who's being themselves in a homosexual one.

Who the fuck is saying we should force gay people to go hetero?
I'm just saying that there are differences between gay and traditional households

Of course the raising of a child is more dependent on just whether the parents are gay or not

When I'm talking about an incestuous relationship, I'm not referring to a pedophillic relationship. I'm talking adult siblings or adult child/adult parent. It has nothing to do with raising kids.

In my post at the top of this page, I was talking about homosexual relationships. And if you're not talking about forcing gay people to go hetero, then what the fuck is the point of this argument? People are born gay, just like they're born black or female. Even if the statistics said that gay parents have a zero percent chance of raising a healthy kid, they still have the right to raise a kid.

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Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 30, 2016, 05:15:16 PM

You guys actually think there's nothing morally wrong with incest?

Of course not. Just because it's gross doesn't make it immoral.

Quit being a little kid.

But it is
The responsibility of raising your child far outweighs how much you want to stick your dick in them

Wait, when we're talking about incest, do you think we're talking about wanting to fuck your kid? That's not what it's referring to whatsoever, idiot.

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Quote from: SecondClass on March 30, 2016, 05:17:56 PM

For something to be morally wrong, non-consenting others have to be involved. There's nothing wrong with incest in any way, and you're backwards if you think there is.

So consent is the only measure for morality??

Um, duh. Especially when dealing with things that can't give consent. But when you're dealing with humans, it's pretty cut and dry.

But a parent's job, the very definition of parenthood, is to take care of your child and make sure they grow up into a good person

So that would be ok to destroy in the name of consent?

Are you trolling? Gay, single-parent, and polygamous households can all raise children just as well as standard ones. Is it more work? Probably. But a someone who is able to express their love and be themselves is going to be a better, happier parent than someone who's forced to repress themselves and be stuck in a loveless marriage. The fact you think the second option is preferable to the child is laughable and cruel.

Actually that would be wrong

http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-study-on-homosexual-parents-tops-all-previous-research
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/health/study-examines-effect-of-having-a-gay-parent.html?_r=0

There are differences in a homosexual household vs a traditional household

I wouldn't know about polygamous households but I would assume the kids would be more confused due to the amount of parent figures in the house
Or if not, then seeing their father showing love to women other than their mom wouldn't fare too well on the kids

Of course the fact that whether a couple is gay or not isn't the only factor in raising kids
I think that the relationship between child and parent is the most important thing
But to saying there is no difference between gay and traditional households is ignorant

Also
If you think that a single parent can raise a child as well as a couple (gay or traditional), you can go fuck yourself

It sounds like you're basing your opinion off of your own intuition instead of actual facts

Sure if someone can love their child romantically and still be able to raise them well, that's great
But you know perfectly well that the parent would treat the child more like a romantic partner instead of a child they need to raise

What the fuck? Who said anything about treating their children romantically? And everything you posted here, I already conceded in my post. It will probably be harder to raise a child in a gay household, but the point is that it's better than forcing gay people to repress themselves and their love. A gay person being forced to be in a heterosexual relationship is going to be a worse parent than a gay person who's being themselves in a homosexual one.

all these Fallout fans voting for Trump smh

Ok

Quote from: SecondClass on March 30, 2016, 05:17:56 PM

For something to be morally wrong, non-consenting others have to be involved. There's nothing wrong with incest in any way, and you're backwards if you think there is.

So consent is the only measure for morality??

Um, duh. Especially when dealing with things that can't give consent. But when you're dealing with humans, it's pretty cut and dry.

For something to be morally wrong, non-consenting others have to be involved. There's nothing wrong with incest in any way, and you're backwards if you think there is.

NEXT SHOCKING LEAK REVEALS CORRUPTION IN THE FDA

WHO COULD'VE EXPECTED ANY OF THIS

Oh, that makes sense.

But still...paying money for that?

What the fuck

http://tron.wikia.com/wiki/User

scrubs

>not getting the joke in the OP