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12751
« on: April 17, 2016, 08:19:06 PM »
12752
« on: April 17, 2016, 07:45:21 PM »
12753
« on: April 17, 2016, 06:43:13 PM »
gay show
12754
« on: April 17, 2016, 06:38:36 PM »
nice
12755
« on: April 17, 2016, 06:21:54 PM »
A 1 to 3 scale should be used everywhere. You have to pick between like, dislike, or neutral.
This is not a joke, people. This scale is literally optimized perfection.
12756
« on: April 17, 2016, 04:25:50 PM »
haha secondASS getting btfo'd itt tbqhwyf
people just get salty about legitimate non joke rating systems that aren't 1-10
12757
« on: April 17, 2016, 03:58:30 PM »
haha did you purposely set a small scale to make yourself seem less shit?
That doesn't make any sense, if anything a small scale would make me seem more shit. A 1 to 3 scale should be used everywhere. You have to pick between like, dislike, or neutral.
12758
« on: April 17, 2016, 05:23:02 AM »
thanks
12759
« on: April 17, 2016, 12:12:13 AM »
Dale literally made that show
12760
« on: April 17, 2016, 12:11:09 AM »
12761
« on: April 16, 2016, 07:59:18 PM »
There's going to be people fighting for empowerment based on those things as long as there's inequality based on those things.
This isn't bad.
12762
« on: April 16, 2016, 03:19:25 PM »
it's actually way harder to play genocide than neutral/pacifist, I've realized
that 40 monster grind was rough
12763
« on: April 16, 2016, 05:04:53 AM »
finally fucking beat Undyne jesus christ
literally just intense memorization
I'm in Hotland right now and this is actually getting pretty sweet. I'm glad I already got way spoiled before I gave this game a second go, it's a lot better to not only get to kill all these characters, but understand the plot at the same time
I'm pretty much just playing Frisk as a complete servant to Chara
(there's also a theory I like out there, however implausible, that Frisk is the empty shell of Chara's dead body infused with a soul and determination. Doesn't make much sense, but I might go ahead with that in mind just to make it a bit more interesting. It at least explains why the two of them look nearly identical)
12764
« on: April 15, 2016, 07:32:12 PM »
A1 thread idea
12765
« on: April 15, 2016, 05:16:08 PM »
Which is what I don't like about Undertale. It literally encourages you to only play half of the game. It wants you to only play half of the game.
it knows that players will elect to try genocide out of curiosity
it knows that players will fully play the game they spent money on
12766
« on: April 15, 2016, 03:38:57 PM »
You have the choice of whether or not to join a union.
You're ignoring the inconvenient fact that non-unionised labour had no choice in the legislation unions pushed through, and are now asking for exemptions from. It's ludicrous to suggest unions should be able to tip the scales so dramatically simply because non-unionised labour has chosen not to be unionised (and even this isn't entirely true; some sectors just don't lend themselves to unionisation). If your ultimate goal is enhanced collective bargaining, there are better ways to go about it than wagging your fucking tail for unions whose goal is to make non-union workers less competitive.
It's the equivalent of saying it would be okay for technocapitalists like Elon Musk to argue for a ridiculous income tax on the richest in society, and then give themselves an exemption because they're in the business of advancing our technology as a species. But I mean, all the other rich people should just choose to go into technology, right?
Sometimes I question whether you think about the propositions you make, at all.
Except one branch of technology isn't inherently better than the other. Unionization over nonunionization is. Employers literally couldn't care less about their employees, their whole mission is to make a profit. The mission of unions is to make sure that desire for profit doesn't overshadow the well-being of the employee. Not joining a union is willingly letting the necessary greed of corporations have it's way with you.
12767
« on: April 15, 2016, 03:34:51 PM »
Even in a game like Mass Effect, taking the evil route results in disgusted reactions from certain companions, different and darker outcomes for the world, etc. You're being evil, of course nothing good is going to come from it.
But yet the game itself doesn't strongly, strongly dissuade you from taking that path. It's a viable option for you to play as - in Undertale, choosing that option makes you the player a monster. How dare you kill all these peace loving villagers who just want to be your friend? No, the TRUE way to play is to never kill a soul. Anything else and you're missing the TRUE point of the game.
Yeah funnily enough people consider you a monster if you commit genocide.
Yeah funnily enough you the player didn't commit genocide, you played a video game.
Jesus Christ, even after I underlined it, you still don't get it.
literally what the fuck
This is some seriously intense autism
Why'd you and Eggsalad not get what I was saying here? I'm trying to say that this is the attitude of the game's fanbase, I wasn't saying I believed it.
12768
« on: April 15, 2016, 03:17:18 PM »
The entire game is a commentary on choosing to be evil in a video game out of boredom or curiosity. Of course you don't like it - you're the sort of player the game is mocking.
Exactly. Even though, in choice based games, it's pretty much a requirement to play both sides. Otherwise you're throwing money away.
It's not a requirement, it's a choice. You can go for a Genocide Run if you want, and you're given ample warning that there will be consequences. It'd be unfair if the game actively encouraged you to play it and then told you that, but it doesn't.
Which is what I don't like about Undertale. It literally encourages you to only play half of the game. It wants you to only play half of the game. A game like Fallout or Mass Effect encourages you to play both branches.
A game like Fallout or Mass Effect isn't a commentary on being cruel for the sake of entertainment. Those are sandbox games. Undertale isn't.
I guess that makes sense. Honestly, if I did a genocide run when the game released, I probably wouldn't have such an adverse reaction to it. It's mainly the fans who criticize me any time I ask for any advice or information relating to genocide in the least because "I'm a bad person for doing it".
12769
« on: April 15, 2016, 03:10:17 PM »
apparently I'm pro free speech enough to despise anyone who advocates prosecution of hate speech in the slightest, but still a SJW
damn
12770
« on: April 15, 2016, 03:03:29 PM »
The entire game is a commentary on choosing to be evil in a video game out of boredom or curiosity. Of course you don't like it - you're the sort of player the game is mocking.
Exactly. Even though, in choice based games, it's pretty much a requirement to play both sides. Otherwise you're throwing money away. Which is what I don't like about Undertale. It literally encourages you to only play half of the game. It wants you to only play half of the game. A game like Fallout or Mass Effect encourages you to play both branches.
12771
« on: April 15, 2016, 03:00:18 PM »
Haha sick meme bro!! You're totally hip and happening Argumentum ad novitatem is a shit fallacy pham
Literally all you did was post a picture of John Oliver, when he has a fucking point every time he announces the year. It means that at this point in history, people should know better. It's an argument.
The only rebuttal to that argument that I've literally ever seen is mockery. "HAHA TIME AN DATE MAN HE SAYS THE YEAR THAT MEANS HES WRONG"
Simply naming the current date as if it's some kind credible point is not an argument.
Saying "your point of view is outdated" is an argument, and that's what saying the year implies.
This isn't hard.
What? So I'm just supposed to presume your argument is correct because you're able to tell the time?
It doesn't prove anything besides the fact that you mentioned a date.
....no. I just told you what you're supposed to presume.
This seems hard for you for some reason, so maybe every time you hear "it's 2016" in an argument, recognize that the point there is to imply your way of thinking is outdated. You can then respond to that accusation and say why it's not true instead of freaking out about "ALL U DID WAS SAY A DATE"
Uh yeah, all you did was mention a date. Again, not a fucking argument.
What is it supposed to tell me? How does it advance the discourse by any means? It's presuppostional faggotry of the highest order and nobody besides you and your social justice loser posse take it seriously, especially in academia.
Literally all it's fucking saying is that the person using the phrase thinks that the person the phrase is directed at has outdated views. That's what it's supposed to tell you. How many times do I have to repeat myself here?
Is this a trigger word for you or something? Should I just replace the word "outdated" with the number string "2016"? It means literally the same goddamn thing.
"DUDE YOUR VIEWS ARE OUTDATED ACCORDING TO MY SUBJECTIVE PERCEPTION OF THE WORLD I WIN THE ARGUMENT SHUT UP SHUT SHUT UP"
I understand what it means you dolt, it just isn't a logical assertion by any stretch of the imagination.
It can certainly be a logical assertion. Calling a view outdated can be right, wrong, or ambigous. If someone was going up and down the road saying black people's skull shapes biologically make them more violent, you would call their view outdated. You could even say (gasp) "it's 2016"
Yeah see there you just provided a justification/reasoning to the argument you were positing, which I have no problem with. Simply saying "le current solar cycle" as if it's the be all and end all to the debate is a shit tier way of getting your points across. It's a statement of a basic fact, not a statement of reasoning using evidence based conclusions.
There are far more flimsy arguments that get used all the time than calling something outdated. And yet this whole "le time man XDDD" meme is the one everyone like you spazzes out over.
12772
« on: April 15, 2016, 02:57:03 PM »
Because the game, the game creator, and everyone who plays the game deeply hold onto that fact. Genocide ending holds up perfectly well on its own. You just don't feel satisfied by it because you're a little puss who doesn't understand that tragedy is a genre.
What the fuck? Obviously I don't believe that choices in VIDEO GAMES represent the morality of the player, I'm saying that's the attitude of the game and its players.
why can't the game make moral assessments on actions you make
it's like you're literally feeling accused of being a murderer because a game does it for the sake of trying to give you a meaningful experience. it's hilarious. calling your viewpoint autistic isn't just a meme, you literally have trouble interpreting the intentions and feelings behind communication.
You keep getting way too defensive over this, lmao. If the intent of my posts wasn't clear, I'm talking about every single fan of the game who has ever existed. I've never even beat the game, I'm talking about the attitude of the game's creator and his followers. Everyone says pacifist is the only true way to play it, and anything else is a disservice and makes you (yes, the player) immoral. I don't give a shit at all about the NPCs reactions to my actions. I'm killing their friends, why wouldn't they hate me? I'm talking about the attitude of the game fandom, creator, and game itself toward the player. So many people out and out reject the dichotomous good/bad morality systems in places like BioWare games, but I think they offer a good starting point for this conversation. When you look at their achievements, they sometimes have one for each path, which implies the game should be played in both directions. I have never done it. Iβve only played good characters because I donβt like being evil or a dick (in the case of Mass Effect). It just doesnβt bring joy to my heart, so Undertale reinforcing that position within the game with a heavy Aesopian level of fable is perfectly suited toward that attitude. This isnβt about experiencing βeverything.β This is about making a moral choice and seeing it through to the end with actual consequences even if theyβre never dire to your actual life. Attitudes like this. Literally advocating for playing 50% of a game.
12773
« on: April 15, 2016, 02:50:58 PM »
Haha sick meme bro!! You're totally hip and happening Argumentum ad novitatem is a shit fallacy pham
Literally all you did was post a picture of John Oliver, when he has a fucking point every time he announces the year. It means that at this point in history, people should know better. It's an argument.
The only rebuttal to that argument that I've literally ever seen is mockery. "HAHA TIME AN DATE MAN HE SAYS THE YEAR THAT MEANS HES WRONG"
Simply naming the current date as if it's some kind credible point is not an argument.
Saying "your point of view is outdated" is an argument, and that's what saying the year implies.
This isn't hard.
What? So I'm just supposed to presume your argument is correct because you're able to tell the time?
It doesn't prove anything besides the fact that you mentioned a date.
....no. I just told you what you're supposed to presume.
This seems hard for you for some reason, so maybe every time you hear "it's 2016" in an argument, recognize that the point there is to imply your way of thinking is outdated. You can then respond to that accusation and say why it's not true instead of freaking out about "ALL U DID WAS SAY A DATE"
Uh yeah, all you did was mention a date. Again, not a fucking argument.
What is it supposed to tell me? How does it advance the discourse by any means? It's presuppostional faggotry of the highest order and nobody besides you and your social justice loser posse take it seriously, especially in academia.
Literally all it's fucking saying is that the person using the phrase thinks that the person the phrase is directed at has outdated views. That's what it's supposed to tell you. How many times do I have to repeat myself here?
Is this a trigger word for you or something? Should I just replace the word "outdated" with the number string "2016"? It means literally the same goddamn thing.
"DUDE YOUR VIEWS ARE OUTDATED ACCORDING TO MY SUBJECTIVE PERCEPTION OF THE WORLD I WIN THE ARGUMENT SHUT UP SHUT SHUT UP"
I understand what it means you dolt, it just isn't a logical assertion by any stretch of the imagination.
It can certainly be a logical assertion. Calling a view outdated can be right, wrong, or ambigous. If someone was going up and down the road saying black people's skull shapes biologically make them more violent, you would call their view outdated. You could even say (gasp) "it's 2016"
12774
« on: April 15, 2016, 02:45:05 PM »
Haha sick meme bro!! You're totally hip and happening Argumentum ad novitatem is a shit fallacy pham
Literally all you did was post a picture of John Oliver, when he has a fucking point every time he announces the year. It means that at this point in history, people should know better. It's an argument.
The only rebuttal to that argument that I've literally ever seen is mockery. "HAHA TIME AN DATE MAN HE SAYS THE YEAR THAT MEANS HES WRONG"
Simply naming the current date as if it's some kind credible point is not an argument.
Saying "your point of view is outdated" is an argument, and that's what saying the year implies.
This isn't hard.
What? So I'm just supposed to presume your argument is correct because you're able to tell the time?
It doesn't prove anything besides the fact that you mentioned a date.
....no. I just told you what you're supposed to presume.
This seems hard for you for some reason, so maybe every time you hear "it's 2016" in an argument, recognize that the point there is to imply your way of thinking is outdated. You can then respond to that accusation and say why it's not true instead of freaking out about "ALL U DID WAS SAY A DATE"
Uh yeah, all you did was mention a date. Again, not a fucking argument.
What is it supposed to tell me? How does it advance the discourse by any means? It's presuppostional faggotry of the highest order and nobody besides you and your social justice loser posse take it seriously, especially in academia.
Literally all it's fucking saying is that the person using the phrase thinks that the person the phrase is directed at has outdated views. That's what it's supposed to tell you. How many times do I have to repeat myself here? Is this a trigger word for you or something? Should I just replace the word "outdated" with the number string "2016"? It means literally the same goddamn thing.
12775
« on: April 15, 2016, 02:39:18 PM »
You're getting way too defensive. You say it isn't black and white, but it totally is. One is the perfect, great ending where everyone is happy. One is the terrible ending where everyone is in doom and despair. And god help you if you choose the half of the game that's delegated as bad. YOU, not Frisk, are a bad person if you do so.
uh
why is an ending with doom and despair the "wrong ending".
Because the game, the game creator, and everyone who plays the game deeply hold onto that fact. Even in a game like Mass Effect, taking the evil route results in disgusted reactions from certain companions, different and darker outcomes for the world, etc. You're being evil, of course nothing good is going to come from it.
But yet the game itself doesn't strongly, strongly dissuade you from taking that path. It's a viable option for you to play as - in Undertale, choosing that option makes you the player a monster. How dare you kill all these peace loving villagers who just want to be your friend? No, the TRUE way to play is to never kill a soul. Anything else and you're missing the TRUE point of the game.
Yeah funnily enough people consider you a monster if you commit genocide.
Yeah funnily enough you the player didn't commit genocide, you played a video game.
Jesus Christ, even after I underlined it, you still don't get it.
this is some advanced fucking autism
do you not understand what role-playing and immersion are?
I mean it this time, go play bejeweled.
What the fuck? Obviously I don't believe that choices in VIDEO GAMES represent the morality of the player, I'm saying that's the attitude of the game and its players.
12776
« on: April 15, 2016, 02:36:59 PM »
Haha sick meme bro!! You're totally hip and happening Argumentum ad novitatem is a shit fallacy pham
Literally all you did was post a picture of John Oliver, when he has a fucking point every time he announces the year. It means that at this point in history, people should know better. It's an argument.
The only rebuttal to that argument that I've literally ever seen is mockery. "HAHA TIME AN DATE MAN HE SAYS THE YEAR THAT MEANS HES WRONG"
Simply naming the current date as if it's some kind credible point is not an argument.
Saying "your point of view is outdated" is an argument, and that's what saying the year implies.
This isn't hard.
What? So I'm just supposed to presume your argument is correct because you're able to tell the time?
It doesn't prove anything besides the fact that you mentioned a date.
....no. I just told you what you're supposed to presume. This seems hard for you for some reason, so maybe every time you hear "it's 2016" in an argument, recognize that the point there is to imply your way of thinking is outdated. You can then respond to that accusation and say why it's not true instead of freaking out about "ALL U DID WAS SAY A DATE"
12777
« on: April 15, 2016, 02:30:18 PM »
Haha sick meme bro!! You're totally hip and happening Argumentum ad novitatem is a shit fallacy pham
Literally all you did was post a picture of John Oliver, when he has a fucking point every time he announces the year. It means that at this point in history, people should know better. It's an argument.
The only rebuttal to that argument that I've literally ever seen is mockery. "HAHA TIME AN DATE MAN HE SAYS THE YEAR THAT MEANS HES WRONG"
Simply naming the current date as if it's some kind credible point is not an argument.
Saying "your point of view is outdated" is an argument, and that's what saying the year implies. This isn't hard.
12778
« on: April 15, 2016, 02:29:18 PM »
Lmao if you think Undyne's genocide boss fight is fun or beatable without wasting hours get good
sans fight was one of the best in game
If you do the genocide ending first, you can't get the perfect ending, because Chara takes your soul.
you can, it's just slightly altered, choices have consequences, get over it. it's not "right or wrong", it's the experience of the game reflecting based on your behavior. if to you not having everything being perfectly lovey-dovey is what determines "right and wrong way to play" you need to grow up.
Asgore literally killed six children because he doesn't want to live underground, Chara is a BAMF who just wants to purge monsters. Mass imprisonment of thousands could justify it. Especially if some of those kids were murderers. (yeah an empty gun sure didn't get used at all)
Like I said, it's not about characters hating the fact you killed their friends. It's about the game hating the player because you didn't play "the right way". Literally every fabric of the game's existence, in a meta way, goes out of its way to not want you to play half of the game.
no, you just think that because you're a whiny little cunt. you'd prefer it be a complete snoozefest that removes all weight to your decisions. please never influence the gaming industry with your purchases again.
You're getting way too defensive. You say it isn't black and white, but it totally is. One is the perfect, great ending where everyone is happy. One is the terrible ending where everyone is in doom and despair. And god help you if you choose the half of the game that's delegated as bad. YOU, not Frisk, are a bad person if you do so.
12779
« on: April 15, 2016, 02:25:48 PM »
Even in a game like Mass Effect, taking the evil route results in disgusted reactions from certain companions, different and darker outcomes for the world, etc. You're being evil, of course nothing good is going to come from it.
But yet the game itself doesn't strongly, strongly dissuade you from taking that path. It's a viable option for you to play as - in Undertale, choosing that option makes you the player a monster. How dare you kill all these peace loving villagers who just want to be your friend? No, the TRUE way to play is to never kill a soul. Anything else and you're missing the TRUE point of the game.
Yeah funnily enough people consider you a monster if you commit genocide.
Yeah funnily enough you the player didn't commit genocide, you played a video game. Jesus Christ, even after I underlined it, you still don't get it.
12780
« on: April 15, 2016, 02:24:20 PM »
Haha sick meme bro!! You're totally hip and happening Argumentum ad novitatem is a shit fallacy pham
Literally all you did was post a picture of John Oliver, when he has a fucking point every time he announces the year. It means that at this point in history, people should know better. It's an argument. The only rebuttal to that argument that I've literally ever seen is mockery. "HAHA TIME AN DATE MAN HE SAYS THE YEAR THAT MEANS HES WRONG"
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