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10861
« on: June 06, 2016, 03:52:20 AM »
there's a big difference between being called selfish and being called a solipsist, anything I said earlier was when I was under the thought that you were accusing me of having some secret plot to post these fake beliefs while I was a solipsist the whole time, and didn't think anyone else existed. That and general selfishness are two completely seperate things. So anyway, no. I just wish you would be less eloquent when you're trying to say things though, you don't need to use advanced words to say "I'm smart".
10862
« on: June 06, 2016, 03:44:11 AM »
it's like 5 yo
10863
« on: June 06, 2016, 03:40:15 AM »
Ugh
now I'm the one who looks dumb for blowing it all up so much. I misinterpreted your meaning, I guess, and since being an actual solipsist is such a betrayal to the critical thinking and morality of any semi intelligent person, it was a travesty someone would think I was hiding a belief set like that. Keep in mind, that's what I thought you were implying, and that's why it was so much worse than a petty insult. You could've just cleared up what you were trying to say right then, and I could've read more into your posts, I guess. it's w/e
10864
« on: June 06, 2016, 03:14:19 AM »
It's not a spectrum, it's literally a cult. You can't be a watered down mormon or a watered down scientologist, there are specific things you have to believe in to have any label attached. Being selfish isn't solipsistic in any way because there's no part of the act that assumes others don't exist. That's the requirement for an act to be solipsistic at all. And once you're a solipsist, any legitimate beliefs you have about morality are thrown out the window, because morality revolves around interaction of life.
i disagree with all of this
we're not going to get anywhere, and i think you've evaded my point anyway:
i wasn't trying to insult you
No, you grossly misused the word in some legitimately idiotic way, and after you called me a solipsist, I came to the crazy conclusion that you were calling me a solipsist. Now you change that and say you were calling me selfish or some shit. Not my fault you incorrectly used a word. Solipsism means you think others don't exist. There are no shades to that. You can't water it down. It's something you believe or you don't, and whether or not you believe it is whether or not the word applies to you. Your mistake.
10865
« on: June 06, 2016, 03:02:43 AM »
solipsism and prioritizing the self are two totally, utterly seperate things
You can prioritize yourself and still care about others, recognize that they're fucking real, and try to help them. There's no middle ground in solipsism - you believe others exist in reality or you don't. Trying to say being selfish is some subset of solipsism is an irresponsible misuse of the word.
i never said it was a "subset"--i said it was a watering-down of it, which is true, from my perspective
repeatedly claiming that it's all black-and-white with no reasoning isn't going to convince me otherwise
It's not a spectrum, it's literally a cult. You can't be a watered down mormon or a watered down scientologist, there are specific things you have to believe in to have any label attached. Being selfish isn't solipsistic in any way because there's no part of the act that assumes others don't exist. That's the requirement for an act to be solipsistic at all. And once you're a solipsist, any legitimate beliefs you have about morality are thrown out the window, because morality revolves around interaction of life.
10866
« on: June 06, 2016, 02:53:44 AM »
You're in Seattle? That's amazing, I've always wanted to visit the Pacific Northwest. You could go on a hike.
I'm back in Utah, I was in seattle. But yeah! Seattle is honestly stunning, I miss it every day. They have amazing hikes!
Ohh, gotcha. Utah does seem boring, don't have much advice in terms of that. You could always watch some good movies!
10867
« on: June 06, 2016, 02:45:47 AM »
solipsism and prioritizing the self are two totally, utterly seperate things
You can prioritize yourself and still care about others, recognize that they're fucking real, and try to help them. There's no middle ground in solipsism - you believe others exist in reality or you don't. Trying to say being selfish is some subset of solipsism is an irresponsible misuse of the word.
10868
« on: June 06, 2016, 02:39:08 AM »
You're in Seattle? That's amazing, I've always wanted to visit the Pacific Northwest. You could go on a hike.
10869
« on: June 06, 2016, 02:34:12 AM »
You're right. It's a character assassination. You don't just start to internally believe a philosophy like solipsism, it's a clear choice. You claiming I believe anything close to that is saying that I'm some serial liar. It's no different than calling you a nihilist - just completely unfounded and ridiculous.
you could claim that i'm a nihilist based on observation, and i'd probably get all ornery and defend myself, too
but i'm not gonna be such a baby about it to where i'm saying things like, "UGH SECONDCLASS IS MY LEAST FAVORITE MEMBER HE USED TO BE SMART I'VE NEVER BEEN SO OFFENDED ON THE INTERNET IN MY LIFE I'M LEGITIMATELY UPSET EVEN THOUGH I JUST HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW IT'S SILLY TO GET EMOTIONALLY INVESTED WITH PEOPLE ON THE INTENRET," though
i'll say, okay, fuck you, i'm not a nihilist, and here's why
and if i don't convince you, well, that's tough shit for me--you're gonna have your perspective, no matter how wrong or off-base it it, and i'm gonna have my perspective
you're right in saying that i don't know you personally, but i'm just saying--based on the numerous conversations we've had about philosophy and life in general, your beliefs align heavily with what i'd consider a solipsist to be
i'm open to the possibility that i'm wrong, and i very well could be--that's just me extrapolating data that i've gathered from you so far
big fucking deal
Probably because claiming that someone has been lying about their important values for years is a far bigger deal than some petty insult. It's literally saying you distrust someone, you think they're a liar. The point about not taking the internet seriously was about petty deci shit, about how people don't like him or whatever. That doesn't touch the level of an accusation like yours, not even close. In fact, being accused of nihilism isn't nearly as bad as that. You can develop nihilistic ideas over time, even unconsciously. "Nothing matters", that's at least a defendable maxim. But solipsism, literally believing that other people are nonexistent? That's insanity, egotistical to the point of delusion. No sane person believes that, and it's not some developed thing. It's like being a satanist. You don't have solipsistic beliefs, you have the solipsistic belief, and it's more outrageous than believing in magic or goblins.
10870
« on: June 06, 2016, 02:17:04 AM »
Ignoring someone insulting you is childish? I didn't pay you much mind when you were flipping shit in serious a few weeks ago when you just started attacking for whatever reason.
highly, especially when not all their doing is insulting you, and i never even insulted class
i think i called him a fucking idiot once because he thought he didn't know the difference between a ban and a warning
but no, claiming that someone is a solipsist based on careful observation is not an insult
You're right. It's a character assassination. You don't just start to internally believe a philosophy like solipsism, it's a clear choice. You claiming I believe anything close to that is saying that I'm some serial liar. It's no different than calling you a nihilist - just completely unfounded and ridiculous.
10871
« on: June 06, 2016, 02:03:19 AM »
space is for nerds
10872
« on: June 06, 2016, 01:24:01 AM »
azula is hands down the best avatar character and possibly the greatest animated character of all time 
also do you know who you're talking to Azula is kind of my thing
10873
« on: June 06, 2016, 01:17:53 AM »
Elsa and Anna literally have the same face model but different hair
If you think Anna is sexy you sort of have to think the same of Elsa
um we're talking about their character, not how "hot" they are
they only hot cartoon is azula
>not Ty Lee
>Not Korra
>Not Asami
Actually die
oh my god kys azula is hands down the best avatar character and possibly the greatest animated character of all time
10874
« on: June 06, 2016, 12:49:28 AM »
Elsa and Anna literally have the same face model but different hair
If you think Anna is sexy you sort of have to think the same of Elsa
um we're talking about their character, not how "hot" they are the only hot cartoon is azula
10875
« on: June 06, 2016, 12:39:16 AM »
Elsa
blech
Only hipsters don't think Elsa is bangin'
or people with taste 
10876
« on: June 06, 2016, 12:31:21 AM »
10877
« on: June 06, 2016, 12:30:41 AM »
play FF8 without carding a single enemy
10878
« on: June 06, 2016, 12:26:03 AM »
Dude that was classic.
It's weird that people don't automatically assume someone is joking when they say something like that on this site.
lol, ikr I thought BC and Mav were being facetious at first, I assumed everyone would get the reference maybe that incident wasn't blown up everywhere as big as it was at my school
10879
« on: June 06, 2016, 12:05:31 AM »
holy god shut the fuck up i wanted to know what happened during the weekend not your life stories.
you don't always get what you want
10880
« on: June 05, 2016, 11:52:35 PM »
Rapunzel
you just like mandy moore lol
10881
« on: June 05, 2016, 11:35:15 PM »
That's a funny way of spelling Anna.
glad someone sees that anna > elsa
10882
« on: June 05, 2016, 11:31:58 PM »
If you know it's not true then I don't know why you'd let it get to you so much though. I guess because you consider the party saying it a friend? Well regardless, unless it was someone actually close to me accusing me of who I am, I wouldn't really let it bother me.
Yeah, probably because I consider him one of the smartest people on here, and I always thought he was a thoughtful kind of person who really thinks about things. And it's like, if someone like that came to a conclusion that's just so out of reality, what am I doing wrong? Am I posting in a way that skews the intent, am I making it seem like I believe things that I staunchly oppose? I know in my head that I don't believe these things, but the fact that other people think I do is maddening. The fact that someone out there sincerely thinks I'm some kind of closeted solipsist is just ridiculously irritating to me. Not only that I would be a solipsist, the most retarded ideology on the planet, but that I would hide a single thing about myself here or pull a single punch with divulging an opinion of mine. I pretend and hide things all the time in real life, here is where I'm unabashedly myself.
10883
« on: June 05, 2016, 11:26:12 PM »
*Aurora
10884
« on: June 05, 2016, 11:23:17 PM »
Again, just ignore it and don't take it that serious. I was getting told I had an inferiority complex or something but I didn't really let it get to me or worry about it.
I guess it helps I'm pretty apathetic to a lot of things around here.
True enough, I should follow my own advice. But still, it's like getting called a mormon when you're Jewish. Just objectively false, yet the person making the accusation believes it completely. Just so infuriating.
10885
« on: June 05, 2016, 11:20:05 PM »
I stand by this
10886
« on: June 05, 2016, 11:16:52 PM »
I knew he was full of himself, but I never thought it was to the point where he thinks he can tell other people what their values are, without a trace of sarcasm or irony
Sounds like it's getting to you. If someone thinks they can set their ideals on you in a forceful/insulting way, ignore them. It's not worth your time.
I'm not about to let someone here tell me what I find value in is worthless, and/or unimportant simply because they have different opinions and values than I do.
I was joking in that maroon thread about being mad about the PM thing; I'm actually livid right now. Really mad. If it came from some troll like Midget, then whatever, but Verbatim is supposed to be the thoughtful, smart person on this site. And yet he sincerely claims to have this power to know what I'm thinking. And when I tell him what I'm actually thinking - I'm a liar. I've gotten into plenty of arguments about bullshit on this site, but this transcends that.
10887
« on: June 05, 2016, 11:11:37 PM »
verb and class having brutal but spicy hate sex
he's literally my least favorite member now, we used to have at least some kind of mutual tolerance
his views are misguided in my opinion, but still justifiable and smart
but he as a person is total shit tier
This isn't news
yeah, I don't know why I used to like him at all I knew he was full of himself, but I never thought it was to the point where he thinks he can tell other people what their values are, without a trace of sarcasm or irony
10888
« on: June 05, 2016, 11:01:40 PM »
verb and class having brutal but spicy hate sex
he's literally my least favorite member now, we used to have at least some kind of mutual tolerance his views are misguided in my opinion, but still justifiable and smart but he as a person is total shit tier
10889
« on: June 05, 2016, 10:58:38 PM »
I'm the one who gets chewed out for referencing some scummy politician, yet OP makes an actual rape joke and it's all fine
the same day verbatim tells me I believe some philosophy that I objectively fucking do not believe
just fuck this day
I give everyone shit for saying anything regarding rape. I've even gotten into the only argument I've ever gotten into on this site with Verbatim after he made a comment about the subject.
I don't stand for shit like that.
But I was unaware you were quoting someone. That person is a piece of shit, but I revoke comment towards you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Akin#Controversial_comments_on_rape_and_pregnancyDo you not remember this? It was huge news when it happened.
10890
« on: June 05, 2016, 10:55:19 PM »
When can I make up stuff about you? Can I go around calling you a nihilist when it obviously doesn't apply? Why would I care about equality if I'm a solipsist? Why would I empathize with people who aren't allowed to join the military because of their gender, get into huge arguments over things that don't affect me? Why would I care about human rights at all, why would I give a shit about the right to do whatever you want to your own body? I wouldn't have compassion at all if I was a solipsist, and if I didn't think others existed, I would have to also be a nihilist. I wouldn't even have a sense of morality whatsoever, since morality revolves around the interaction of suffering-capable organisms.
If anything, I'm apathetic. That's something I can admit. But I know other people exist, and you don't know me at all.
i would argue that that's the rational part of your brain trying to eke out some sense into you
though you're a solipsist, it's as if you're afraid of being wrong--because being wrong would have massive implications on what's right and what's wrong, so you build up a slipshod moral compass to have some kind of contingency plan, like a Pascal's wager, just in case you happen to be wrong
Fuck you. Honestly. You know nothing. If it was some fucking contingency plan, I wouldn't hold them so deeply. They would be afterthoughts.
But what fucking ever. You know everything about everything, you're perfect. You know things about myself even I don't know. Even though I care compulsively IRL about what other people think of me, and there's not a shred of doubt in my mind that I share the world with trillions of people much more complex and interesting than me, I guess in the back of my mind, unbeknownst to me, I think everything I stand for is bullshit and everyone else is fake. Honestly, just go to hell if you sincerely believe I think that way.
I guess just ignore this, though! Jacob knows best!
I may as well become an actual solipsist now, because if Jake says something, no matter how fucked up and wrong it is, it just becomes fucking true!
Can both of you chill the hell out?
You're secretly a bisexual, you're lying about being asexual. Same with your atheism, that's also a lie. I know best, and I know your atheism is just a contingency plan. Imagine someone truly believed that, actually thought they knew your beliefs better than you, and called you a liar for claiming otherwise. How could you not get infuriated at that shitty, terrible person?
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