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10711
« on: June 07, 2016, 06:26:07 PM »
Islam is an oppressive and dogmatic religion, but it's still a belief set that anyone should be free to follow. Not really what this discussion is about, though.
10712
« on: June 07, 2016, 06:20:07 PM »
Just to settle things, capital punishment is the way to go.
if you rape or kill, often times you should get lethal injection. This is VERY vague, obviously each case is different.
And for murder especially, if it's 1st degree then they should get off'd.
Nope.
Well, I figured you'd say that, so agree to disagree.
If you took away someone's right to live, then you don't deserve yours.
Do you not grasp the concept of a right? They can't be taken away. Just because you did the morally wrong thing of killing another human doesn't let us do the morally wrong thing of killing you.
10713
« on: June 07, 2016, 06:13:19 PM »
Just to settle things, capital punishment is the way to go.
if you rape or kill, often times you should get lethal injection. This is VERY vague, obviously each case is different.
And for murder especially, if it's 1st degree then they should get off'd.
Nope.
10714
« on: June 07, 2016, 06:12:44 PM »
Canned water is a real thinh from real cold war era boston. It was actually given out and looked similar to that in game.
Otherwise, I imagine some changes in art direction come from one of the senior artists passing away after FO3's release. He was responsible for a lot of FO3 stuff like the Enclave's PA.
And that Enclave rabbit ears shit from F3 looked terrible. X-01 is much more in line with the original Enclave design from F2.
10715
« on: June 07, 2016, 06:09:53 PM »
Equality is more important than having a good military.
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Far, far more important. A country isn't worth defending if the country doesn't give a shit about basic human rights.
It's a terrible shame China has a male-only combat force and rivals America with its defence budget. If they ever slugged it out in a conventional war they would have a higher chance of winning, and then the so called moral superiority of America's army wouldn't mean shit, what with all the censorship going on after the successful invasion.
Non combat roles that don't require a high physical standard or combat roles that don't require such a high physical demand (e.g. Armoured warfare) are fine, frontline infantry where you need the physical best of the best... that is only found in men, and only specific men at that (It's not like you or I could fucking do that). Tough shit, go argue with nature.
And even if China won, we would be better than them, for not being discriminatory. Tough shit. And by the way, this isn't some doomsday scenario if America lets women fight for their country. All it would do is force bad soldiers to get their heads out of their asses and accept women as their equals. If they can't do that, and insist on pushing condescending "protection" on them because, god forbid, they don't have a dick, that means they're not professional or level headed enough to be a soldier. That's what we said about Islam in the 1400's. Then what happened? Where is Constantinople on a map now?
An entire religion =/= bitching about treating women as equals
10716
« on: June 07, 2016, 05:23:19 PM »
XD
10717
« on: June 07, 2016, 05:05:39 PM »
>lets get rid of the people that make the best soldiers
Just stop.
"lol to be a good soldier you have to see women as beneath you"
Stop memeing
Nope
I just take solace in the fact that this kind of thinking will die out soon.
10718
« on: June 07, 2016, 04:55:53 PM »
Human rights only exist when a government recognizes them. Your rights are protected by the government in exchange for taxes and adherence to the law of the land. If you breach this societal contract you should expect to be subject to the loss of certain governmental recognized rights.
Not how it works. Everyone is born with uninalienable rights, whether or not the government chooses to recognize them. No matter what you do, they can't be taken away. And no, it's not a human right to not go to prison.
10719
« on: June 07, 2016, 04:29:07 PM »
what's wrong with killing people who deserve to die?
No one deserves to die. Actions you take don't forfeit your human rights. Prison is a necessity for removing dangerous people from the population, it's not a punishment.
10720
« on: June 07, 2016, 04:18:58 PM »
>lets get rid of the people that make the best soldiers
Just stop.
"lol to be a good soldier you have to see women as beneath you" Stop memeing
10721
« on: June 07, 2016, 04:15:41 PM »
"ur just a BIGOT lel"
So how can we improve unit cohesion whilst having women as part of a team?
I literally just said. And we can improve unit cohesion while still disdaining discrimination by psychologically screening out the type of men I just described.
You can't put aside biological urges.
sure you can, just takes discipline
Thu urge to protect a woman as a man, or to mother a child as a woman can't be put aside.
You're retarded. Look at all the shitty mothers out there. Look at all the men who couldn't give two shits about "protecting" women. You're projecting your mindset on the rest of the world.
Well at least you agree the best of the best is in the military :^)
Being a sexist who thinks women need a big male protector makes you the worst, not the best.
10722
« on: June 07, 2016, 04:13:10 PM »
You can't put aside biological urges.
sure you can, just takes discipline
Thu urge to protect a woman as a man, or to mother a child as a woman can't be put aside.
You're retarded. Look at all the shitty mothers out there. Look at all the men who couldn't give two shits about "protecting" women. You're projecting your mindset on the rest of the world.
10723
« on: June 07, 2016, 04:11:43 PM »
Yes, it is. When two values conflict with each other, How do they? The military is there to protect our sacred way of life.
you have to pick which one is more important. Equality is far more important than having the most effective military we can possibly have. No it isn't. Not only are you saying dead soldiers are irrelevant, you're confusing the fact that the military is the only reason we have the way of life we have.
And like I just said, there are ways to foster unit cohesion while having women in combat roles. How?
Your whole argument boils down to "right now, the men we're picking to be soliders are too childish and brutish to see women as equals who don't need protecting, so we need to have institutionalized discrimination to protect them." The people who are the problem.
They do put it aside. Plenty of them put aside their racism and other prejudices.
You can't put aside biological urges.
Go reread what I just said. Because first of all, you can easily overcome biological urges. Not everyone is some macho man obsessed with protecting women. If you are, you don't see them as equals. That's not biology, it's bigotry. And we can improve unit cohesion while still disdaining discrimination by psychologically screening out the type of men I just described. You're right Class, fuck national security and stupid things like people's fucking lives. What REALLY matters is PR. Dosent matter if we are sending unprepared people to die in vein as long as we can flaunt some equality statistic that wont save anyone's life.
PR?! What the fuck? This is about morality, not some PR stunt. No one said a thing about being unprepared; we can still train soldiers - male and female - to the fullest extent. And yeah, if we don't have the ABSOLUTE BEST MILITARY EVER, then that means our national security just falls apart. Get over your obsession with having a big army, ours could be half the size and we would still be fine.
10724
« on: June 07, 2016, 04:01:40 PM »
Sorry, but the military is not going to deny exactly the type of fighting men they need so they can have women in combat roles
Exactly. That's the fucking problem.
No, it isn't.
Equality is far more important than having the most effective military we can possibly have.
This IS satirical right?
You can have a good military without having the best military in the world. Yes, equality is far more important than being #1.
10725
« on: June 07, 2016, 03:54:04 PM »
Sorry, but the military is not going to deny exactly the type of fighting men they need so they can have women in combat roles
Exactly. That's the fucking problem.
No, it isn't.
Yes, it is. When two values conflict with each other, you have to pick which one is more important. Equality is far more important than having the most effective military we can possibly have. And like I just said, there are ways to foster unit cohesion while having women in combat roles. Your whole argument boils down to "right now, the men we're picking to be soliders are too childish and brutish to see women as equals who don't need protecting, so we need to have institutionalized discrimination to protect them." The people who are the problem.
10726
« on: June 07, 2016, 03:49:53 PM »
Sorry, but the military is not going to deny exactly the type of fighting men they need so they can have women in combat roles
Exactly. That's the fucking problem.
10727
« on: June 07, 2016, 03:43:18 PM »
A male will want to do what a male does with a female. A female in a team on the ground messes with unit cohesion and focus. A male will seek to protect a female even if it fucks the whole team over. These are basic primitive urges we cannot yet overcome. It has absolutely nothing to do with sexism.
This is fucking ridiculous. Only the most apish men lose their minds and everything they stand for when they see a woman. You don't speak for everyone. If you're going to put a woman, or biological urges (which, yes, you can easily overcome) over the mission, then you're a bad soldier. Promoting discrimination because of the mindset of bad soldiers is a crime.
Just take a look at the Israeli army, which arguably has some very well trained soldiers.
Some example you keep bringing up isn't a concrete rule. There are things we can do to increase unit cohesion while still absolutely disdaining discrimination. Psychological screening is a necessity with new soldiers, and that screening should include if you're the type of gorilla to get all white knight if you see a female soldier in trouble. The faults of men shouldn't be the basis for punishing women.
10728
« on: June 07, 2016, 03:38:12 PM »
A male will want to do what a male does with a female. A female in a team on the ground messes with unit cohesion and focus. A male will seek to protect a female even if it fucks the whole team over. These are basic primitive urges we cannot yet overcome. It has absolutely nothing to do with sexism.
This is fucking ridiculous. Only the most apish men lose their minds and everything they stand for when they see a woman. You don't speak for everyone. If you're going to put a woman, or biological urges (which, yes, you can easily overcome) over the mission, then you're a bad soldier. Promoting discrimination because of the mindset of bad soldiers is a crime.
10729
« on: June 07, 2016, 03:32:04 PM »
Yeah I'm not going to talk about this with you. The amount of disrespect you have for our soldiers and fallen heroes is disgusting.
"A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on."
Pretty much all that needs to be said here. I have no disrespect for soldiers, but there will always be wars, and soldiers will always die. It all means nothing if they're not at least fighting for something good.
It sure is easy to condemn soldiers to death from the safety of your home on the Internet.
Letting women join combat roles is not condemning anyone to death. Stop being so melodramatic. The soldiers who this would actually affect on the field are those who shouldn't be soldiers in the first place. If you can't be professional, levelheaded, and not lose your mind when you see someone of the opposite sex, you're not sane enough to responsibly pick up a gun and shoot people.
10730
« on: June 07, 2016, 03:29:04 PM »
Yeah I'm not going to talk about this with you. The amount of disrespect you have for our soldiers and fallen heroes is disgusting.
"A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on."Pretty much all that needs to be said here. I have no disrespect for soldiers, but there will always be wars, and soldiers will always die. It all means nothing if they're not at least fighting for something good.
10731
« on: June 07, 2016, 03:05:44 PM »
Equality is more important than having a good military.
WEW
E
W
Far, far more important. A country isn't worth defending if the country doesn't give a shit about basic human rights.
And then our shitty military loses and we're under the control of an enemy who cares even less about "basic human rights."
"Letting women into combat roles will make our bloated and gigantic military useless"
wew
Way to miss my point. You want maximum effectiveness in the military. I'm just saying you being willing to sacrifice it's effectiveness because "muh rights" just means you let there always be a chance for the enemy to win. I don't have a problem with women serving combat roles, I do have a problem with how they lowered the standards along with it.
No, we don't want "maximum effectiveness". We want the maximum effectiveness while still being a moral and decent society. Disbarring competent women from entering the military because some male soldiers would be unprofessional and value their lives more than the mission isn't a criticism against women joining, it's a criticism against those unprofessional soldiers.
I'm talking about how the actual physical standards were being lowered so that more women can join. There was an article posted here a while back about that occurring. If a woman could meet the military's old standards, I'd have no problem with them serving a combat role, but lowering the bar so that more people can get in should not be done.
I'm not talking about that, that's bullshit. I'm talking about women who train for years to get strong, who can do everything a male recuit could do, and who are still disallowed from joining what they're passionate about because they don't have a penis. And how can our honorable soldiers concentrate on the job when there's boobs around them? The horror. And these are the guys who are supposed to be skilled and professional.
10732
« on: June 07, 2016, 02:59:15 PM »
Equality is more important than having a good military.
WEW
E
W
Far, far more important. A country isn't worth defending if the country doesn't give a shit about basic human rights.
And then our shitty military loses and we're under the control of an enemy who cares even less about "basic human rights."
"Letting women into combat roles will make our bloated and gigantic military useless"
wew
Way to miss my point. You want maximum effectiveness in the military. I'm just saying you being willing to sacrifice it's effectiveness because "muh rights" just means you let there always be a chance for the enemy to win. I don't have a problem with women serving combat roles, I do have a problem with how they lowered the standards along with it.
No, we don't want "maximum effectiveness". We want the maximum effectiveness while still being a moral and decent society. Disbarring competent women from entering the military because some male soldiers would be unprofessional and value their lives more than the mission isn't a criticism against women joining, it's a criticism against those unprofessional soldiers.
10733
« on: June 07, 2016, 02:52:54 PM »
Equality is more important than having a good military.
WEW
E
W
Far, far more important. A country isn't worth defending if the country doesn't give a shit about basic human rights.
And then our shitty military loses and we're under the control of an enemy who cares even less about "basic human rights."
"Letting women into combat roles will make our bloated and gigantic military useless" wew
10734
« on: June 07, 2016, 02:52:09 PM »
Equality is more important than having a good military.
WEW
E
W
Far, far more important. A country isn't worth defending if the country doesn't give a shit about basic human rights.
America is practically the only country that cares about human rights.
How can you be against the death sentence, but not care if we have an effective military? You're fine with incompetent soldiers putting their team in danger? You're fine with more dead soldiers as long as it's "equal"? Are you insane?
With the death penalty, we have a clear choice. Execute or don't. Choosing to not execute doesn't violate any human rights, and it's not an affront to equality. In order to have this perfect military where the least amount of people die, we would have to sacrifice the human rights of women, and we would have to forget about equality. The two aren't comparable.
10735
« on: June 07, 2016, 02:49:43 PM »
>morality doesn't exist
I'm 1000% done have conversations with you about this, new door, if you have an opinion as fucking retarded as that.
As long as there's suffering, there's morality. And please don't compare not getting laid to the abomination of inequality.
LMAO. Just acknowledge you can't bridge the is/ought gap. Life will be much easier.
You can keep using these 10th grade philosophy concepts, but they hold no meaning. You're the only one that gives a shit about this is/ought crap. If you can't even recognize that pain necessitates morality, then you're a lost cause.
10736
« on: June 07, 2016, 02:46:04 PM »
>morality doesn't exist
I'm 1000% done having conversations with you about this, new door, if you have an opinion as fucking retarded as that.
As long as there's suffering, there's morality. And please don't compare not getting laid to the abomination of inequality.
10737
« on: June 07, 2016, 02:41:02 PM »
Equality is more important than having a good military.
WEW
E
W
Far, far more important. A country isn't worth defending if the country doesn't give a shit about basic human rights.
10738
« on: June 07, 2016, 02:33:57 PM »
And yeah, all those things you just shrugged off are big fucking deals. If society feels a certain way about a man, they HAVE to feel the same way about a woman, or it's bigotry. And vice versa. If a man is allowed to attempt to serve in combat, a woman HAS to be allowed to attempt to serve in combat, as well. If she's not allowed to even try, that's the fucking definition of inequality. So fucking what?
You worship an abstraction. There is no practical reason to care about inequality, especially when the definitions for it vary wildly.
Inequality is a part of the natural order. This is fact. No two animals are identical. Our genes vary from ethnic group to ethnic group, gender to gender, and person to person.
This obsession some people have is inane. "Oh no we can't have this law! It would be unequal!"
Equality does not and will never exist. It's a ghost in your head, a delusion thousands of people strive for even as nature itself works day in and day out to keep such a thing from existing.
Don't feed him. He's a mentally sick degenerate who believes women are superior to men, he isn't interested in equality at all. And if he has any idea what combat is like he wouldn't even think about saying something so incredibly stupid as "let them try combat roles". As if you can "try" combat and if you aren't on the same level as everybody else you can just walk away unscathed and all your team will be ok.
I don't think woman are superior to men, I just personally like them more. Two completely seperate things.
And yeah, they should be able to "try" in the sense of going to boot camp like any other man and having a physical requirements test like any other man. If a woman can do everything an ideal male recruit can do, and she's still disbarred from joining, that's pure sexism.
"B-but our honorable and professional soldiers can't concentrate if there's a girl next to them!!"
Women can't do everything men can do. That's kind of the point of there being MEN and WOMEN. Holy hell.
And yes, unit cohesion is a thing. Look at the failures of the Israeli army, in combat and out of it.
Some women can. Largely, men are stronger or whatever, but that doesn't apply to every woman. And the women who train their whole life to be strong and skilled so they can join the army shouldn't be turned away because boo hoo, they don't have a dick. I couldn't care less about unit cohesion. Equality is more important than having a good military.
10739
« on: June 07, 2016, 02:31:50 PM »
Burning rapists is evil all of a sudden.
Death penalty is justified, anyone who disagrees is a fucking moron.
"all of a sudden"
What the fuck? It's always evil to burn someone alive, just like it's always evil to execute someone. If you caught Hitler or Satan himself, it would be objectively fucking wrong to kill them, much less burn them alive.
You're a scumbag.
Id take my token as killer if I had the option to kill hitler.
You may think its morally wrong but who gives a fuck what you think when Id be dubbed a hero. Seriously though, we are still primal to that regard, someone rapes or kills someone you love, would you really want them to live? Would you pleed for their life?
No. Is your answer.
I might let emotion overcome my morality if it was someone close to me, I'm only human. But it would still be wrong to execute them.
10740
« on: June 07, 2016, 02:29:15 PM »
And yeah, all those things you just shrugged off are big fucking deals. If society feels a certain way about a man, they HAVE to feel the same way about a woman, or it's bigotry. And vice versa. If a man is allowed to attempt to serve in combat, a woman HAS to be allowed to attempt to serve in combat, as well. If she's not allowed to even try, that's the fucking definition of inequality. So fucking what?
You worship an abstraction. There is no practical reason to care about inequality, especially when the definitions for it vary wildly.
Inequality is a part of the natural order. This is fact. No two animals are identical. Our genes vary from ethnic group to ethnic group, gender to gender, and person to person.
This obsession some people have is inane. "Oh no we can't have this law! It would be unequal!"
Equality does not and will never exist. It's a ghost in your head, a delusion thousands of people strive for even as nature itself works day in and day out to keep such a thing from existing.
Don't feed him. He's a mentally sick degenerate who believes women are superior to men, he isn't interested in equality at all. And if he has any idea what combat is like he wouldn't even think about saying something so incredibly stupid as "let them try combat roles". As if you can "try" combat and if you aren't on the same level as everybody else you can just walk away unscathed and all your team will be ok.
I don't think woman are superior to men, I just personally like them more. Two completely seperate things. And yeah, they should be able to "try" in the sense of going to boot camp like any other man and having a physical requirements test like any other man. If a woman can do everything an ideal male recruit can do, and she's still disbarred from joining, that's pure sexism. "B-but our honorable and professional soldiers can't concentrate if there's a girl next to them!!"
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