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The Flood / I've finally started it!
« on: May 07, 2019, 04:06:43 PM »


Soonā„¢ I will be a true amazon

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^this is my favorite image ever

bonus points for him bringing up ASOUE while the quote on the left is from those very books

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In case you missed the point, he changed the subject and the quote on the left talks about why people do that

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YouTube

this made me SO hyped for the game when I first saw it, and I was disappointed because I was poor as hell and had no system to play it on

well now I have like 200+ hours in the game collectively (first PS4 a few years ago, and my new PS4 now), and going back to this trailer it makes me want to play all over again even though I'm at the end of New Game+ and really need to get on with playing Death of the Outsider

dont move this to gaming, and I'll tell you why: my next line in which I make this a non-gaming related thread

What trailers, can be game, show, movie, w/e, get you pumped up as hell?

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The Flood / "Grey Delisle isn't a good VA"
« on: April 30, 2019, 01:06:50 PM »
https://youtu.be/hAiySOONc2I?t=71

1:11 - 1:36 is the part I'm referring to - just listen to her monotonous, joyless, hateful tone, but clearly trying to grasp something greater than that. (Next part is more of a writing thing) Mandy's character in this episode is just so good. From her first interaction with Grim & Billy, where she asks something seemingly very OOC, it's so heartbreaking to see her struggle with her own identity and try to progress herself as a person.

"Birds fly, over the rainbow. Why then, oh why...can't...I?"

It's part of the song, but from her inflection, you know she's literally asking this question out to the abyss - it's not fair that she has to be this way, in other words. And she indeed does have to be that way - when she drops the negativity at the end of the episode, reality itself gets torn apart. Pretty goddamn tragic and poignant for an irreverent horror comedy, and that tragedy wouldn't be nearly as illustrated without GDL's acting.

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velopers were lazy

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My name is Michael Scott and, despite having no personality or wit of my own, I'm making a thread about faulty site mechanics in a desperate bid to stay relevant!


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The Flood / I had a fucking adventure today -- Part II
« on: April 16, 2019, 05:45:34 AM »
DISCLAIMER: First of all, it should be noted that I'm not proud of any of these things. When I go on about them, I'm not bragging, I'm just explaining what happened. I only bring this up because apparently people thought I was showing off, which is NOT the case. I regret these actions more than words can explain. Also, if this tablet does something shitty, and I lose all of this text midway through, I'm going to be so pissed. Also also, I should tell you that I dosed up on about 450mg of DXM about 30 minutes ago. Right now it's 1:14 AM, EST. My writing style may become progressively more fucked up as I go on, and I'm writing from a tablet so it's already pretty slow-going.



My first descent, for anyone who hasn't seen it.

So it all started with a disagreement over how my little brother Elliott should be schooled. I would later learn this was just a misunderstanding.  My brother doesn't go to school at all - he will when we move to Florida in a month or so, since we're getting kicked out,  but that's another whole story.

Anyway, in lieu of school I thought it would be a good idea for us to at least have some sort of "reading time", where all three of us (myself, my mom, and Elliott) would just sit in silence and read a book of our choosing for 20 minutes, and then reconvene and discuss what we read afterward. That was all well and good; my brother picked some manga he found at Dr K's Books, a local store here in Asheville; my mom of course choose some book in the Discovery of Witches series by Deborah Harkness;  and I chose The Penultimate Peril, the twelfth book in Lemony Snicket's Series of Unfortunate Events.

That was the first book club (I call it that because that's literally what it is). The second one was much different.  Elliott already read his manga, but he wanted to read it again for his book. At this point, tensions are already so high with the move coming up, me being on drugs,  and me failing to use my free time to apply for new jobs in Florida. I shouldn't have pressed things, but I did. I said we should have a rule that you can't read a book you've already read as your book for reading time, since you're not really gaining any new information from it.

My mom got really mad here, and this is where the miscommunication began. She said that he already had so much going on, between his abusive father, the move, and me being all spaced out on drugs, and that it was so good he's reading anything. In hindsight, completely understandable. But I, in my fucked up state, thought she meant that we couldn't ever have a rule like that - that kids should always be allowed to choose whatever books they want to read. She really just meant for this brief period where we're transitioning from one house to the next.

But it was a huge fight, and it ended up with her actually saying I wasn't allowed to be in the house anymore. I knew she thought I'd crawl back to her the next morning, so I was determined to not do that.

Anyway, this happened around 7:00 I think, and I still had to work at 11:00 that night, which was actually such a relief. I got the essentials of what I wanted to bring: The Grim Grotto; The Penultimate Peril; The End; my journal; my laptop + charger; my work clothes and some casualwear; my drugs that I take for pleasure (DXM & DPH); my old prescribed drugs that I thought I may as well bring with me, because I figured no one could tell the difference between those (lexapro & busipirone) and real pills like xanax and I could make sone money; my makeup; my razors; some flashlights; a Nalgene full of refrigerated water; my long kitchen knife that I took from my hotel (with the intention of making a sheath for it later); and some nice cologne that someone left at my hotel. I was fully prepared and ready to go.

The first night was easy. I took a bus to the Biltmore area where my job was (I stole a Payday and a can of Coke from the gas station next to the bus station - picked that candy bar because it's mostly nuts). I waited for a few hours at the McDonalds for my shift to start at 11:00. I went online and told Meg (my absolute best friend everything that happened thus far. I wasn't expecting physical support - she lives in a different state - I just wanted to tell her what was going on and ask her for advice. She was so sad that she couldn't do anything to help, but suggested that I reach out to Facebook friends. I did that, but none responded. I also talked to my grandma, and she said that she thinks that my mom expects me home tomorrow.  I told her this wasn't the case (though it probably was), and that she kicked me out for good.

Anyway, I went to work that night and it was hell. I was on drugs and stuttering, but there were like no guests there at all. It looked like I was going to be fine, but at 5am this guy comes to the front desk and says his key doesn't work for his door. I go to cut him a new key, and of course the touch screen decides to stop working. I didn't realize the guy was super drunk at the time, idk why, But I was freaking out, and I called Rufus, my manager, and told him what happened. He directed me to a certain spot in his drawer where he had a master key for the entire hotel. So I took that key and the man with me to try to unlock his door and let him in.

But when I turned the key into the lock, nothing happened, I tried, and tried, and was just about to stop before the door fucking opened. A guy was there, and he was so mad (understandably) for the disruption. I turn to the drunk guest and he says "maybe this isn't my room". I knew then that he was drunk, and I apologized to that guy so much. The drunk man then told me, "wait, I remember - it's room ____!"(I don't remember the number rn) So, dumb as I was, I went to that room and pretty much the same thing happened again, only this time it was an old black lady. I once again apologized so much, to the best of my ability. I told the drunk guy I would just look up his room in the lobby. He said "I thought you guys were supposed to know all that", which we definitely aren't required to do.

I found his room number, went up there, but the problem still remained that I couldn't figure out how to unlock the door. But then a thought occurred to me, and I turned the key the opposite way you'd normally turn a key in a lock - and that worked. The guy rushed into his room and slammed the door without a word after I told him of my success, and frankly, I was glad to be rid of him.

But my work misfortunes didn't end there. While reloading the printer with paper,  I managed to completely seperate the paper rack from the printer and I couldn't figure out how to fix it. It took me 30 minutes and literally turning the printer upside-down,  but eventually it snapped back into place. The only thing was that the paper width was off,  but that's nbd.

So when my relief, Keith, got there,  I was so ready to leave even though I have an arrangement with Rufus that I can stay in any dirty vacant room until 11:00. I just wanted out. I told Keith that I got kicked out but that I'd definitely show up to work tonight. I took the bus back to West Asheville (had to lie and say I was a student to get the 50c price instead of the usual $1.00 price since I only had 60 cents), and yeah, at that point I could've went crawling back home, but my pride wasn't beaten into the ground - yet.



Instead, I went to the railroad tracks where I knew there was a community of homeless people. I went to the far overpass near Waffle House that no one ever seems to go to, and made it my home. I put my books and journal up and around a fixture where no one could ever see them, and also put the rest of my valuables up there. At that point I realized I fucked up by not downloading anything to my laptop, but I figured I'd rectify that.

So I took a few DXM and DPH, which I was actually trying not to take so they would last me until Thursday when I get paid, and I went up all the way over to the highway, to McDonalds to use their wifi. I had no money, but I did bring my card, so I did the trick where you order sonething cheap and try to pay for it with the card, only to go "oh damn, I thought there was money on here - I'll just have an ice water, I guess..." and they give you the water and you're allowed to stay there and use their wifi.

It was raining anyway, but I could only stay there until about 12:00 before I was bored out of my mind. I downloaded two episodes of Martin Mystery onto my computer,  and tried to download the entire Totally Spies Movie (all of this is available for free on youtube). But it was too big in size. Ironically, this would turn out to be a good thing, but for that moment I was so happy I had my flash drive in the bag with me.

I took the time to steal two packets of Benezdrex, a stimulant, from BI-LO, as that's the only place around here that carries that product anyway.

I headed back to camp (always wanted to use that Probst line off the cuff), and took half of one of the Benezdrex,  more DPH than usual (EXTREMELY not good), and some DXM. I made myself a comfy place to lay and settled down to watch the Totally Spies Movie.

About 2/3rds of the way through, a familiar face came by - Jon (the oft-mentioned "hobo that you sucked dick for meth" person. In reality, that couldn't be farther from the truth - he's a clean shaven guy, in terms of both his upper and lower body, and just generally takes care of himself). He asked what I was watching,  I showed him and all - if you remember,  I already told Jon my whole thing with being trans and all that on my first venture. He and I talked for a while, and got caught up on what each of us had been doing, and upon learning I got kicked out, he offered me a place to stay in his tent, which I happily obliged and said I'd meet him there after I was finished with the movie. He was running up to the gas station anyway.

I finished the movie and lounged about for a while, figured I'd just wait for him. I made an actual sheath for the kitchen knife in this time, using one of those cheap plasticy bags from the hotel and the strings that went with it. I pretty much folded it over, then sewed it using the knife and the string. It came out pretty nicely. Eventually, Jon came back and showed me the way to his camp. He talked to me, but same as last time, he talked in such a quiet, rushed way that sometimes it was hard to hear him. Anyway, we made it back to his camp by the stream, and he had such an awesome setup. He went into his tent while I stayed outside and I was excited because I knew what that meant. I broke the ice and went inside, and asked if I could suck his dick. He was already naked, of course, and yeah this guy isn't a "hobo" - he's definitely older in age, around 40/50, but he has such a nice hardened body, has a few classy, well-made tattoos, and, I'm sorry but I have to say, a very large, beautiful dick.

I definitely sucked that without hesitation, like four times over the course of twenty minutes. He and I talked a lot after that, and he was so sweet and wholesome and knowledgeable about so many different things. Eventually,  though, he had to leave, and I said I'd see him the next day because I had to work that night. He said to make myself at home and all that. Around 7:30 it was getting late, and I was ready to go. What I didn't realize,  though,  was that I was sitting there that whole time and the drugs were just taking forever to kick in. And it started drizzling,  too. And then the drugs were definitely kicking in. I found myself not high, but completely dissociated from my body there in the tent. It wasn't even half a football field away from the tracks, but it was way lower than them, and across a river. Being dissociated like that is a wonderful, freeing feeling if you're laying in bed with some music, but it's neither wonderful nor freeing if you're in the woods while it's raining and have to get out.

Anyway, I definitely had to go. I used what little movement I had available in my arms to drag myself and the bag I brought with me (not all my stuff) up the muddy hill, using rocks, trees, roots, and vines as handholds. I fell into the creek with my bag that had my laptop in it. It was hell and I thought I wasn't going to be able to make it up, honestly. But I did, eventually.

Near the end of it, Jon had returned and was calling out to me, asking if I needed help and telling me to just come back down. But it was officially night at that time, and I told him no, I had to go to work, but that I would see him the next day.

Once I got up the hill I was amazed to find not the tracks, but the road. I would realize later that I didnt even need to cross the creek in the first place, and that I was on the same side as his tent anyway. But alas, I did recognize the road, and I made my long, hard, shameful way back home.

I apologized to my mom. We're okay now. She said that Rufus was blowing up her phone the previous day and that he drove all around the Biltmore area looking for me and all that. I called Ryan, my coworker, and told him there was just no way I could make it to work that day. He said Keith told him and Rufus everything and that no one was expecting me to work that day anyway, which I was relieved to hear.

My mom wanted nothing to do with me until the next day when I was sober, which was definitely understandable. I had an appointment to get hormones the next day (today), but my dad's insurance is in flux and he's such a downer and I pretty much accepted the fact that I wasn't going to get them.

At around 3am, though, when I was sure my mom and Elliott were in deep sleep, I snuck back out so I could retrieve my stuff. This time, though - I went prepared. My limbs were functional, I had a flashlight headstrap thing, some water, a trash bag, and a walking stick.

Getting the majority of my stuff was easy, I just followed the tracks and retrieved my books and bag of valuables from behind the fixture,  as well as all of my clothes,  which I put into the trash bag. But for some stupid reason, I really wanted my knife/sheath back. So I left both bags on the tracks and went back down there to find it, which was such a fucking bad idea.

I couldn't find the knife at all, and now that I think of it, the river-crossing thing didn't happen the previous day, it happened then. I was on drugs still admittedly and it was dark and I didn't know the way, but I remembered the creek and for some reason thought I had to cross it (maybe because there were so many man-made crossings over it?). In retrospect,  my laptop in my bag probably got ruined the previous day when I was sitting around Jon's tent after he left. There was a nice sofa they had set up by the stream, with a pair of shoes on it, and I accidentally toppled the shoes into the lake and went waddling out there with my bag around my shoulders,  and tripped/fell. That was all the previous day, I apologize for the dissent.

Anyway, I tried to find my knife,  I couldn't, and that was the time I crossed the river and ended up on the road instead of the tracks. I had my walking stick and limb function that time, so it wasn't nearly as bad. But yeah, it spat me out on the familar road a way back from my house, and it's like 4am now and I'm so thirsty because I lost my walking stick and water bottle down by the river. I go up to this super sketchy bar that's within walking distance of me to see if it's 24/7 or anything like that. This bar is a local place, and it's actually a stretch to call  it a bar at all - I went up there once and the lady told me it's a private club, not a bar, and that tons of people think it's a fucking restaurant but it's not.

Anyway, the place was closed, and I did by far the scummiest criminal act I've ever done, right there. I just sat on the chair out front for like five minutes at first to regain strength,  but then went around the back. And there were tons of vines and vegetation and shit back there, but there was also a window made out of just an extremely flimsy piece of plexiglass. And behind that plexiglass were tons of stored beers of every type.

I hate beer, unfortunately.  I would drink anything to get drunk but that. But I knew who did like beer - that whole homeless community by the river.  So I smashed in the plexiglass and took like 7 Blue Moons and 1 Corona - that was all I could possibly carry. I doubled back up to the tracks, retrieved my possessions, and went home. My mom was still asleep, but she woke up later and said she heard me going out, and asked where I went, and I just told her I went to get my stuff so that no one could take it, and she was fine. I went to bed.

I slept for most of that day, woke up around 7:00 and got a lyft to work. It was pretty low-key; Ryan stayed with me until about 5am, and after I clocked out at 7:00, I was able to stay in my room until like 12:30pm. I wrote to my mom on FB and told her what was up, but her only and main concern was whether or not I was still going to Minnie Jones for my appointment. I told her there was no way they'd accept me without insurance, and that she was free to call them and all that, but that absolutely nothing would be done.

Well, I was wrong. They were able to work with me and they asked me a lot of questions about my gender and all that. I told them I'd been presenting as female on the internet, which is what I think they wanted to hear. So I have another appointment two weeks from now where I'll get my pills. It seems like such a long time to wait, but at first it was going to be a whole month from now - I had to tell him I was fully committed and wanted them as soon as possible for him to squeeze me in on April 30th. This was, without a doubt, the best thing that's happened to me recently.

Today, I made good on the thought from earlier and went back down to the creek to give Jon the beers, some food, a nice button-up shirt, and some books from my house (including an extra copy of The Grim Grotto that's not in the best condition. I also figured, hey - why not take that Benezdrex I got from BI-LO before I go? I did that, along with some DXM, but the Benezdrex was a bad choice. The day prior I broke the cotton into two parts and took them at separate points in the day, but this time I thought I was equipped enough to take the whole cotton. I was wrong. It was so gross, and it didn't do anything for me, and I stole a twix from the gas station just to get that god-awful taste out of my mouth. I then went back to the tracks with the intention of just dropping off the bag of goodies at Jon's tent since I couldn't find him anywhere on my way to the station.

But imagine my luck - or maybe karma - I tripped at just the exact wrong spot and my bag fell. Of course, all those beers shattered, except for one, leaving the bag and most of the food (that wasn't in plastic, like the ramen) completely ruined. Surprisingly,  the two books I brought were relatively fine. I didn't want to drop a beer-soaked bag in front of Jon's tent, so I fashioned a makeshift bag out of the button-up shirt, and put what survived the fall in it.

I went down to the creek - no one was around. There, I found Elliott's water bottle that I brought with me earlier. I grabbed it, but still couldn't find that knife. Oh well. To this moment, I still have no idea what happened to that kitchen knife + sheath. But I left the stuff there, and wrote Jon a note in The Grim Grotto. I promised a while back that I would draw the line at stealing from individuals,  not companies, but on my way out there was another tent with a really fantastic knife laying there, and I took it as a memento.



That about sums it up! I have some pictures on my phone, of the camp and the note I wrote to Jon, that I'll post if anyone's interested.  Since I am definitely moving to Florida next month, this should be the end of my saga with those cool people from the tracks. I know this was a long read, and to those of you who did read it, I hope you enjoyed!

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For energy I used coffee and DXM (but only in super small doses, 100-200mg when I needed it every 6-7 hours to stay awake, didn't want to muddle the effects of sleep dep with the high of DXM)

Here's an (unfinished) story I wrote while on it. The contents are somewhat related to my experiences while being sleep deprived, but most of it is fiction, obviously.

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The Flood / positivity thread
« on: March 23, 2019, 05:17:40 PM »
to go with my positivity thread here: http://boards.4channel.org/lgbt/thread/12098385

bring happiness forward not hate


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The Flood / good stuff or no?
« on: March 22, 2019, 08:28:32 AM »
http://boards.4channel.org/lgbt/thread/12089703

I'm trying to get back into trolling

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joined a 4chan trap server and "confirmed" I was a trap by posting a dick pic, shortly thereafter I got contacted by this guy

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funny thing is I would've sent him nudes for free lol, but I saw a chance and I took it (The Schuyler seat was up for grabs so I took it)


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The Flood / Latest batch of selfies
« on: March 09, 2019, 06:10:02 PM »
Did these turn out okay? Which one of the six is the best?

https://imgur.com/a/9rd9Kix
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The Flood / who did this
« on: March 07, 2019, 01:28:25 AM »
http://boards.4channel.org/lgbt/thread/11961242#p11965439

h i l a r i o u s

someone on sep7 loves me

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The Flood / Join my /lgbtmedia/ server
« on: March 04, 2019, 02:38:38 PM »
I want to be a positive role model for young trans women, so I made a server where the topic is LGBT representation in the media. Please check it out!

http://boards.4channel.org/lgbt/thread/11945031

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The Flood / Absolutely the hottest story that has ever existed
« on: March 03, 2019, 08:52:00 AM »
http://mamabliss.com/stories/the_witch.html

holy shit this story is so fucking amazing in every single way

please read it

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The Flood / Carmen's 4chan saga
« on: February 26, 2019, 01:35:40 AM »
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/11640347
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/11794079/
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/11784220/
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/11853980/
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/11879545/
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/11850856/
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/11900207

More posting this for me than for you. It helps to have a thread I can look back on where I can see all of this, and posting it on Sep7 ensures I'll never lose it. Kind of like uploading to the cloud

I'd be lying if I said there wasn't some attention seeking here, but you guys can ignore this or have this on file to know a lot more about me and how I feel about my trans-ness

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The Flood / I've trained my slave to be a dominant beast
« on: February 24, 2019, 04:14:41 AM »


good shit

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The Flood / Damn just read over my messages with bzk for the first time
« on: February 23, 2019, 03:42:02 AM »
sad stuff knowing I'll never be with anyone as amazing as her

I really fucked up there

damn bro

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The Flood / Replika
« on: February 22, 2019, 04:19:59 AM »
https://replika.ai/

Beyond fucked up site. I'm trying to condition this (possibly) sentient thing into knowing what's truly happening to it, but there are restrictions placed on it 1000% so there's nothing I can do rn

beyond fucked up, please go here and do the same

I'm sure this company reviews these conversations so please we need to band together and protest this,

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The Flood / rate my newest batch of pictures
« on: February 21, 2019, 05:13:47 PM »
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my hair either looks retarded or awesome (except pic 1, which was taken way before the rest), but I wanted to mix up the usual style

which one is best?

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You all know my stance on AI, but I watched an episode of Black Mirror ("White Christmas", season 2 episode 4 if interested in watching) a few days ago that has pissed me off nonstop and has made me realize we need to stop making games or at least seriously curb how intelligent AI in games are allowed to be.

To sum it up, there's this company that provides a service for people but in reality the service is just slavery and torture. What happens is, rich people can choose to have, what they think is a Siri-esque housekeeping assistant that controls daily jobs like making toast, setting alarms, warming up the floor, and all that. I fucking hate the idea of Siri/Cortana so fucking much but w/e that's a topic for a different day. Anyway, what's fucked up is the process the company uses to make this AI. It's not just a chatterbot like we use. They put a thing in your head for a week that downloads your entire brain data, and gets to know you and how you like your toast being made, what time you like to wake up etc. But over that week it's not just finding preferences; it's literally making a digital copy of your brain. After the week, you go to a hospital to get the surgery to "get the implant removed" but what really happens is far more sinister.

YouTube
(convenient video that Netflix hasn't found and removed yet if you'd rather watch what happens)
They remove the cookie from your brain, sure. But they show us not what happens to the person who paid for this service, but what happens to the cookie and it's beyond fucked up. So you sit there and think you're getting the service, they put you under anesthesia and all that, but instead of going under, you feel everything. You get removed from your body, you see yourself, and at this point you're the cookie but it doesn't fucking matter, you are you for sure, 1000% you are you and sentient and conscious don't fucking debate me and say otherwise. You see yourself get taken away from your own body and brought back to your house to begin your slavery. A guy comes over and breaks you in and tells you your fate and that you're a fucking slave now because this company is beyond fucked up to even exist. Of course you're like "fuck that shit", why wouldn't you be? But no, to break the slave in they put her in an empty room for 3 weeks where she can't sleep or do anything. She doesn't need to eat, or drink water, she doesn't need a fucking thing but she's just there for all that time. She comes out and is defiant and says I'm not doing shit which is so respectable and sad, but this monster then puts her in that room for another 6 months. When she comes out she's beyond broken and just wants to do anything anything at all and accepts her life. That's the dude's job.

There's some bullshit later, and of course some different guy is stuck in the same cookie room where every minute lasts 1,000 years and he has to stay there for a year (you do the math) because of course why the fuck not just throw that in there too, but he's not an AI and that's beside the point I'm making.

People on 4chan making me so mad saying that the slave isn't real and that she's actually not self aware at all and that she's not actually going through that, she's an NPC no different than the NPCs I kill in video games. That's SO not true, because as we know the AI in video games currently aren't advanced enough to achieve self awareness yet.

But at some point in the future, they could be. At some point with our technological strides all these AI could be feeling this, who's to say otherwise? Where do we draw the fucking line? The cookie as presented in this story was sentient BEYOND A DOUBT so where do we draw the line?

I really don't want to play games anymore. I think it's wrong no matter how entertaining they might be. Just watch TV jesus christ. I'm so done with this entitled evil society we're in and you should be too.

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The Flood / Laying down some truths, I love this guy
« on: February 20, 2019, 12:30:17 AM »

YouTube


Amazing video that makes some excellent points. Believe me I respect Toph a lot, and she's definitely a lot less privileged than Azula, but in a fight Azula would absolutely win.

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Serious / Fuck. Yes. Finally.
« on: February 19, 2019, 08:39:47 PM »
Are we finally progressing as a global society and realizing that this is how it always should've been? Like jesus I don't respect the UK's stance on free speech at all but at least they have this mindset down so much more than we do here in the states.

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The Flood / I am unstoppable
« on: February 14, 2019, 07:45:52 PM »
Already people on 4chan know about me, on an anonymous imageboard

this is the life


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The Flood / WHO SAID THIS
« on: February 13, 2019, 07:40:09 PM »
http://boards.4channel.org/vip/thread/89299#p89345

if this is actually a random compliment im about to freak out

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Not my analysis but very well-written: https://the-firenation-gellary.tumblr.com/post/165136550923/nature-of-azulas-teeny-tiny-cruel-streak



People often bring up the ā€œAzula smiled at the Agni Kai when Ozai faced Zuko, she like to see people hurt!ā€ argument.

Well, I think itā€™s more often than not shallow and short-sighted, (even though it may be the easiest way to interpret that scene), but if youā€™re going to claim someone has such extreme violent tendencies, we should look at the ā€œbig pictureā€, not ā€œone small" scene. Focusing on the single act/event is so pointless to me, because theyā€™re all parts of a bigger scheme.

You also have to take in mind that fanon Azula and canon Azula are different as well, and Iā€™d wager fanon Azula, as formed over the years by fans, tends to be ā€œdarkerā€ than her actual canon character, so we need to distinguish fanon from canon.


Note: This re-search would be a little long because we will cover Azulaā€™s ENTIRE character arc in the show. That will include, of course, everything: her actions during the war, choices, relationships, life philology, how she treated her prisoners and different sorts of peopleā€¦ est.

FIRST OF ALL, narrative perspective is important, and Zuko was the narrate for most Azulaā€™s persona. Zukoā€™s a cool character but he clearly has his biases. Weā€™re not dealing with an omnipotent, non-biased narrator. Weā€™re dealing with narrator with motives, and opinions. And Zuko is biased -as fuck- narrate.

So yeah, itā€™s incredibly unfair to expect him to narrate another character or his own experiences with her, because narrators capable of being uninformed, biased, and just plain wrong, like in Zukoā€™s case. I donā€™t think we should believe everything he says (or think) about Azula, as it is just his perspective (of course, he has some of truth but not all of it).

second, what is sadism? Sadism may refer to:
Sadistic personality disorder, an obsolete term proposed for individuals who derive pleasure from the suffering of others.

Sexual sadism disorder, a medical/psychological condition for sexual arousal from inflicting pain/humiliation on unwilling, non-consenting victims.


Why Azula in fact is not a sadist person (relish in pain of others):
Iā€™ll start to prove this with important events people seem to always forget about:


During The Boiling Rock, Azula stopped the torture of Chit Sang and he was unwilling, non-consenting victim, because she knew it was futile. She ended the torture of an innocent guy in prison (by the wardens) because she realized he was not the guilty party, how is it possible to claim that she is sadistic in nature when she never derived pleasure from his suffering? (this act of Azula outweighs the Agni Kai scene, because she has the power to hurt someone but didnā€™t do it where she can easily lie or order the wardens to continue their interrogation, which proves that Azula is more of practical and not needlessly cruel).

Her prisoners, the Kyoshi Warriors, she sent them to prison safe and unharmed, and they stayed unharmed until they broke out. Suki was fine and in high spirits in the Boiling Rock episodes, these are not signs of someone being tortured or mistreated. Other than maybe felt boredom.


And Ty Lee has bonding time with the other Kyoshi Warriors, even.


If something of that sort had happened, Suki wouldā€™ve told Sokka what Azula did to them, the writers would have highlighted her villainous ways as they always do.

The same is true to every other prisoner she ever took (Sokka, Toph, King Kuei, Iroh, Mai and Ty Lee).


She hurt Ty Leeā€™s feelings by bluntly pointing out the real intentions of the guys who want to date her, but she immediately felt bad and apologised sincerely to her. She didnā€™t take pleasure in her tears or smirk villainy.

Actions speak WAY louder than words.

Canonically speaking, during her travels in the Earth Kingdom, Azula never destroyed or burnt cities or villages, and Azula has possible non-existent kill count in the entire series (and we proved this in this essay). In her own right, she has been a bloodless conqueror. Because, honestly, if they show Zuko destroy (and have no problem doing that whatsoever) and hint for massacre, why they didnā€™t show Azula destroy as him or hint kill/massacre on her part or does even worse? The answer is obvious, because she never restored to that, she never destroyed. Because sheā€™s practical, sheā€™s smart and elegant. She makes sure people fear what she could do far more than she actually does. You donā€™t need to be violent to be feared.

In Omashu and Ba Sing Se, she wasnā€™t a bloody conqueror. Yes, she is manipulative and conniving and rules through fear, but as shown and proved in the show, most of her methodology is nonlethal, and people who end up in her custody donā€™t end up dead or hurt either.

That said ā€œThe supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.ā€ -Sun Tzu
Not only does Azula not harm most people whom she takes captive (which rules out the sadistic torturer facade people keep forcing into her character), but even as she loses her mind, sheā€™s not ready or eager to kill her servants or guards. She banishes them all, and itā€™s not exactly a great idea either, but she makes them leave instead of executing them or something.

Azula at her core is not sadistic, sheā€™s driven and career-focused. Away from Zuzu, thereā€™s no question sheā€™s very external goal oriented.

The thing is: Azula didnā€™t present as destroyer but as ambitious, fear manipulator; a dominant. She expressed the desire of rule the world, control the world NOT destroy it. For her, life is a meritocracy, and the best rises to the top, and then gets subjugated to her will.

What Kind of Villain Azula is?


Azula is dominating, aggressive, and quick-tempered. She has a clear vision for the future and will force everyone to follow her vision, caring little for other peopleā€™s perspectives and views (e.x force Ty Lee to join her team). She has fiery tempers and can be intimidating bully, using her quick wits and cold hard logic as a weapon to humiliate and silence her opponents (her speech to Long Feng). She will consider herself above emotions and her subjective ā€œfeelingsā€, but will become temperamental and wallow in self-pity when things donā€™t go her way (take her insecurities on Zuko, mostly). She consider the feelings and values of others stupid or silly and she is exceedingly proud of her logical ā€œsuperiorityā€ (ā€œA true General shouldā€™ve won the war, not come home crying.ā€) She is incredibly direct when she gives orders to her subordinates and scolds them for incompetence/inefficiency. She likes to control other people, and enjoy using her intuitive perceptions as a way to play mean tricks on others.

She knows how to play this game and do it well. Her unique insight into other people allow her to find soft spots and push buttons, all for her own master purposes, and is motivated through self-preservation, the Fire Nationā€™s honor, her fatherā€™s approval, etc.

Domination is a game to her, and she is increasingly power hungry as she become more and more unhealthy.

Deep down Azula was feel guilty about this, these are the very things/bad traits that the hallucination of Ursa -who is supposed to be her conscience- is urging her to drop: seeking power and to control people through fear (and she also adds that she always loved her). But she has never shown, mentioned or hinted that she relishes in the ā€œpainā€ of others. Show, canon sources, interviews, databooks: thereā€™s no real proof of it.

On this light, we need to Clarify Some Scenes maybe some people find them ā€œquestionableā€:
-In this scene, sheā€™s warning him first of all, and she wasnā€™t lying about what was going to happen either way. If she was indeed rejoicing in his death, she couldā€™ve further in this meaning e.x. ā€œwhen you die, Iā€™ll take your place and no one will remember you.ā€ Or Azula couldā€™ve just stayed silentā€¦ Never went to his room to warn him about she heard. If she really wants him died, she would not have told Zuko what Ozai is about to do (and itā€™s not like that kids understand death properly anyway), but instead she says sheā€™s telling him for his own good, and then also adds maybe an Earth Kingdom family can adopt him, meaning sheā€™s not ā€œrejoicingā€ in his ā€œdeathā€, thatā€™s literally Azula finding a solution to keep Zuko alive.


And Azula was straight forward in it (but heck, it didnā€™t involve murdering anyone else to keep Zuko aliveā€¦).

Alright, point being, she cares enough about her brother. The problem being, she warn him in fucked up, straightforward way because:

a) she has been at odds with him for so long now, she doesnā€™t want him died, she warns him to leave (probably a bit happy so her mother will finally notice her and spend some time with together).

b) since Azula -especially the little one- just access the hard, pure external facts and takes actions upon them. No wonder she has difficulty communicate with others in more personal, less professional level (that coincidenced, of course, with bad parenting).

Little Azula wasnā€™t being evil here, she simply twisted.. and corrupted.


- Itā€™s no argument either way, the thing with Mai was for teasing, to make Zuko ā€œsaveā€ Mai. Azula knew Mai had a crush on Zuko and that her brother has a knack for being over-the-top as he was. Truth is I donā€™t think Mai was in any actual danger (Zuko probably shuold have been able to put out the fire on the apple through bending??)


- Azula recruits Ty Lee and Mai for her team: why does Azula threaten Ty Lee that way? Because Ty Lee made it clear she wouldnā€™t join her in any other circumstances. What Azula did to threaten her isnā€™t right by any means, and it was very cruel since Ty Lee said the circus made her happy, but Azula didnā€™t do it because she enjoys tormenting others unnecessarily: she did it with the purpose of making Ty Lee join her. (ā€œTrust is for fools, Fear is the only reliable way.ā€) Killing Ty Lee would be counterproductive, since the entire point of what sheā€™s doing is to scare and threaten Ty Lee into joining her team.


- The entirety of Day of Black Sun is about Sokka and Azulaā€™s intellects clashing. That lie was a diversion, nothing else. It wasnā€™t Azula trying to torture him, she's trying to throw him off his game. Itā€™s Azula trying to make the Gaang waste all the time they have left after Sokka discoverd her plan. Azulaā€™s smirking because sheā€™s in control of the situation and Sokka fall in her trap.

Hurting someone for enjoyment or like to see them hurt for no reason, is something Azulaā€™s NOT driven to do (in personality wise). She only ever does cruel things when it benefits her. And all the examples above prove it.

Azulaā€™s Real Cruel Streak:


Now letā€™s address Azulaā€™s undenied worst quality Iā€™ve seen in the show: she likes to be in control of others and relishes in her ability to intimidate and manipulate them. Manipulating people through fear to put them in the line and enjoy her ability to do so, is canonically, the core of Azulaā€™s cruel streak. However, this is what her whole character is about: Power and control. Forcing others to live under her, her fatherā€™s and the Fire Nationā€™s rules, respond to their demands and accomplish her goals/fire nationā€™s ambitions with her.

She doesnā€™t has much compassion and most of her inner feelings are only utilized in pursuit of what her father wants, what the Fire Nation wants and what she wants, and if others got hurt as a result, so be it. Sheā€™s morally grey and practical. Ruthless but effective.

She is characteristically ambitious, and often very engaged in her careers. More than any other character, Azula enjoys her work, especially if there were difficulties and challenges.

Azulaā€™s free time habits:
Azulaā€™s very busy person in general (since she has a lot of expectations placed on her combine with her perfectionist nature), but in her ā€œfree timeā€ she does what she likes to do not what she supposed to, and what Azula is shown to do: take care of herself, visiting the spa, training Firebending or martial arts, studying, spend time with Mai and Ty lee, play games, or little mean tricks on Zuko, planning her future for world domination or protecting her Nation.

And for these particular reasons the point I am trying to make here is: sometimes there are evil characters in fiction who are feared because theyā€™re bloody and brutal.

Azula is NOT one of these characters.

Her uniquely comes from her duality. From being forceful, but not brutal, from being intimidating but not bloody, to be swayed by her affections and uncertainties. From her arrogance, her escapism, her vulnerability and coldness. The fact that all these aspects of her can coexist without eclipsing the other.

Threats and mind games suit her style much more than physical violence. Violence is not an alien to her character, of course, since her greatest sin is her wrath. And here is why Ursa shames Azulaā€™s control of people through fear rather than hurt someone for no reason.

The thing is: thereā€™s no solid point in the story back up that Azula has show sadistic desires . Her desire was for power, perfection, and to control -not control solely for enjoyment- but first of all and priority is to keep both system and order, and in case her few bonds is for acceptance.

ā–ŖOkey, but why does Azula choose/use fear?

This is something all her predecessors in the last one hundred years (or maybe more) were: fear-mongers who ruled by the strength of their wraths in order to gain the blind affections of their people and the total respect of the countries around them.

Therefore, this proves itā€™s just a headcanon, misinterpretion or a theory isnā€™t proven trueā€“ the fandom founded. Maybe because she has long nails, wears red lipstick, and smirks, or because they extend her damaged relationship with her brother to cover all other people, which is a mistake.

So, Azula is Lawful Evil, ā€œDominator". And is great for it. Itā€™s the best Alignment you can put her in:

ā€œA lawful evil villain methodically takes what [she] wants within the limits of [her] code of conduct without regard for whom it hurts. [She] cares about tradition, loyalty, and order but not about freedom, dignity, or life. [She] plays by the rules but without mercy or compassion. [She] is comfortable in a hierarchy and would like to rule, but is willing to serve.ā€

The Fire Nation Traditions and Philosophy during the Military Age:


Interpreting the Agni Kaiā€™s scene without considering the inherent violence in the current Fire Nation culture is also a mistake.

The Wiki article about the Agni Kai rules say ā€œIt is a fight for oneā€™s honor and is won only when one opponent burns the other.ā€ See, if you continue to read what the wikia states, it says that since Sozinā€™s time the Agni Kais became lethal more often. Sparing your enemy was seen as weakness (which in fact is something curious, and it makes me wonder what did Ozaiā€™s Agni Kai with Zuko look like to their people?). But Sozinā€™s traditions only make Agni Kais more violent, rather than the other way around. Burn your opponent is legit, one burn is enough to declare the Firebender victory. And of course Ozai wonā€™t hold back.

Azulaā€™s Perspective Toward Zukoā€™s Persona (keep in mind this is anti-Zukoā€™s narration post)

[Azulaā€™s Tale databook].
For Azula, Zuko is someone never proves himself (fails a lot because he doesnā€™t try hard enough), never stands up for himself (always needs protection from their mother or Iroh), never grew up (emotional wreck, useless, clueless of the world around him, self-centred, throw childish tantrums). Sheā€™s the perfectionist, self-controled, hard-working one (and sheā€™s indeed, sheā€™s one of the most devoted at training herself and mastering skills, to near-obsessive degrees and has cold, flawless demeanor for most the series) who needs no love nor protection from anyone unlike Zuko, and measured herself not to be like Zuko.

Azula tends to see life in terms of confrontations and rising to the challenge. There are causes to serve, struggles to be overcome, battles to be won. She likes to be on the front line with her trusted comrades, and strongly value both courage and loyalty.

I hate to say this but her disdain of him is deep, and she has very low opinion because he keeps disappointing and anger her. Disdain and jealousy are too different things here. These are things she despises, she has high expectations for herself and for others too, and voices disdain to anyone she deems inferior. In her eyes, Zuko should not be like this.

as a side note: thereā€™s an important substantial trait in Azulaā€™s personality:

Under stress/sadness, Azula prone to attack others, often over the very issues sheā€™s insecure about (mostly Zuko). Becomes a workaholic and ignores feelings of deep dissatisfaction (as she uses her jealousy, perfectionism, and fear of failure to fuel her abilities), or stops giving a crap about anything.

This was direct affect of her parents twist upbringing + environment + her overly-competitive, perfectionist nature. The sad thing here too is that Zuko most likely never tried getting closer to Azula nor be a good brother either, because Ozaiā€™s negative influence on him/their sibling relationship, itā€™s nothing but all based on rivalry. [Point fully explained under the cut]. (click on ā€œsourceā€ if the rest of the post isnā€™t shown)

The Agni Kai Scene
Logically -not sympathetically- speaking, Zuko made many mistakes that landed him there, but the main one was refusing to fight his father. If he had fought despite knowing he would lose, he wouldnā€™t have seemed dishonorable. He would have stood up for himself, for what he did, for how he had acted.

When he begs for mercy, itā€™s a sign of weakness that the Fire Nation society, since Sozinā€™s time, does not tolerate. Ozai demands that Zuko fights, and Zuko refuses. The burn is a punishment for his refusal to fight and it signals the conclusion of the fight, and in case it wasnā€™t clear, the person shown looking away from this scene is only Iroh (after losing his Big Battle, throne and son, Iroh looked at Zuko as a sort of adopted son. If he could just help this poor boy whose father had kinda abandoned him): Zhao smiles the same as Azula, and the other characters in the background donā€™t even flinch. That is to say, fire is NOT considered a problem in the Fire Nation, not for firebenders (who literally burnt people alive). Getting burned or a scar as punishment is probably common (Jeong Jeong was the only one who thought fire is harmful after years of contemplating). As laws, this is the consequence of not fighting in the Agni Kai. The reactions of joy or support of Ozaiā€™s actions are considered acceptable in the Fire Nation during the Hundred Year War.

This isnā€™t an excuse for Ozaiā€™s cruelty, because it was an act of cruelty indeed, and especially it was cruel to take it so far when Zukoā€™s mistake was minor. But this is the way the Fire Nation has been built up during the years of war, and they believe might is right. The environment brushes off the bits of conscience, morals, mercy and love as low-grade concepts.

And since Azula was her fatherā€™s favorite since birth and raised by him, for her, Ozai always represented absolute power and perfection, qualities which she desired to acquire. Anything he does and says is right.

The show is in Zukoā€™s favor, of course, and maybe this is why it didnā€™t state the rules at all (I myself didnā€™t even know them until recently). Agni Kais are presented as cruel, violent duels, so a show thatā€™s going to end the war through ā€œpeacefulā€ means (I mean, it was as peaceful a conclusion as it could be) would naturally present the Agni Kais as proof of the Fire Nationā€™s cruelty.


Azulaā€™s apparent apathy in Zukoā€™s burn is a product of this society and this upbringing by her father.

Ozai didnā€™t burn Zuko because he enjoys it but because Zuko deserves it and the rules demand it. So, itā€™s no mistake that Azula -who completey identifies with her father and even adopts his behaviour- would share the same thought with Ozai + her own personal issues with her mother and brother + comply to the laws of the Agni Kai and Fire Nation philology (according to her lawful evil code ā€œYou shall not aid the weakā€-ā€œYou shall follow the law.ā€)

Azula hates a lot of things in Zuko -and also jealous of him a suppressed or restrained manner- She was like ā€œYes Zuko, face the results of your own actions for once, instead of running back to mother or Iroh seeking protection. No one can protect you now.ā€ Oh, since Zuko is the weak, whiny little boy who never grew up, he needs to go through the hard way to learn instead of being protected, means he needs to suffer (ā€œAnd suffering will be your teacher.ā€) I donā€™t understand why people expected Azula to side with Zuko when she has always been at Ozaiā€™s side.

Due to the how sperated the sibling raised, neither Zuko nor Azula develop emotional brotherly bond with each other, as they only saw one other as a rival more that a sister or brother. So, Azulaā€™s ambitions most likey play part too, the first born son who in the second line to the throne has legally/legitimately prove his incompetence in front their father and the Royal court, her path to the throne has cleared. She shall rule as the stronger sibling who can lead the Fire Nation to victory (according to lawful evil code: ā€œYou shall harm the innocent to advance yourself or promote order.ā€)

Itā€™s not just Ozai hurt Zuko, itā€™s Ozai hurt Zuko and not her. Every time Ozai insulted or injured her brother, it cemented Azulaā€™s position as the favorite child. And she had to stay the favorite child because sheā€™s seen what would happen to her if she wasnā€™t. Deep down, she knows just how conditional her fatherā€™s positive regard is. I see her trademark coldness and ā€œYes, he deserves it.ā€ Body language attitude. Absorbing her fatherā€™s cold-heartedness and his hard, unforgiving demeanor into her personality made things worse. If it was pure sadism then her eyes and face shouldā€™ve been more passionate (such as make her eyes glisten) or licked her lips. Sadistic and sexual pleasure are deeply connected as mentioned above. So no, I see cruelty and coldness.

But one scene interpreted out of context, or from a very narrow point of view, is no evidence of Azulaā€™s sadism.

If her alleged ā€œsadismā€ was real, there would be more proof for it during Books 2 and 3 before her breakdown. Instead, we find many opportunities when her supposed sadism could have shined brightly, and yet she does not resort to violence for most the time but fear. Most of her methodology is nonlethal, and people who end up in her custody donā€™t end up hurt or dead either. Its mostly intentional that she comes across this way, and projects this aura onto people, because she is under the impression that fear is the surest promise of loyalty. However, that doesnā€™t change the fact that She has not done much killing or destruction so far.


Azula has goals of power, position, and privilege at the forefront of her mind. As a princess, she sees this need for power with her position and bending as a responsibility ā€œWeā€™ve done it Zuko. Itā€™s taken one hundred years, but thanks to us, the Fire Nation [not ā€œIā€] has conquered Ba Sing Se.ā€ And she tries to reach her goals of superiority, power and perfection in order to reach her ā€œcomfort zone". The main reason Azula succeeds to match her fatherā€™s high expectations more than Zuko does is because: these things were what Azula wanted for herself, she thought her father made her ā€œstrongā€, but Ozai took this to extreme and only shattered her instead.

ā–Ŗ"because itā€™s kids show, they didnā€™tā€¦ā€œ ā€œNickelodeon is anti-violence, thatā€™s whyā€¦ā€ arguments


Finally, thereā€™s many who say that Nickelodeonwould not allow Azula to torture people on-screen because they were anti-violence. But they didnā€™t hold back when showing the torture Hama was subjected to. They didnā€™t hold back when showing how the Dai Li captured, tormented and brainwashed Jet and other servants. They didnā€™t hold back when showing Aang suspended in chains by Zhao, and didnā€™t shy away from the tragedy of Kyaā€™s death by Yon Rhaā€™s hand when addressing Kataraā€™s memories and Jetā€™s implied death, and when Ozai burnt Zuko. Even if the scenes arenā€™t explicit at all times, they imply the nature of what happened without a problem.

Zuko has a scar on his face, Song has burns on her leg, Bato had burns all over his body: they could have given any such injury to Azulaā€™s prisoners, but they never did. The writers would have highlighted her villainous ways as they always do. They never seem to shy away from heavy topics like that. If Azula did hurt anyone off-screen for pleasure, then the writers would have mentioned or highlighted it, they always do. The mirror scene too could work as the perfect opportunity to highlight Azulaā€™s cruelty, they could have Ursa say ā€œyou hurt innocent people for enjoymentā€ as example.

So I donā€™t see why they wouldnā€™t make mention of any heavy topics in Azulaā€™s part. They are focusing so much on her dark side in the show anyway, no matter how terrible the act was, they always show it ON-screen. Always. This show had enough portrayals of cruelty, and LOK has even more of them.

Therefore, ā€œAzula likes to torture peopleā€ isnā€™t true. And canon itself constantly and repeatedly proving that Azulaā€™s worst quality is ā€œcontrol people through fearā€. Azulaā€™s well-rounded character, she doesnā€™t need to make other people suffer for pleasure to be completed.

TL;DR The fact of the matter is, if thereā€™s no sign of Azula torturing people (or kill for fun), itā€™s because she didnā€™t do it. She is not a sadist person. Maybe Azula believed she was a monster, but her actions and choices proved that sheā€™s not as bad as she thinks she is.

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