autistic and childlike way of looking at it.

Quote from: Jim on July 07, 2016, 12:21:21 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2016, 11:19:21 PM

Quote from: Ender on July 06, 2016, 11:05:28 PM

Quote from: Cindy on July 06, 2016, 10:52:52 PM

Okay so?

nothing really, i just thought it was interesting

here's how you would've replied if you didn't have some kind of agenda

you knew what you were doing when you posted this thread, so don't try to act neutral

>they didn't reply how I wanted them to reply, so they must have an agenda

This is advanced autism

No, she has an agenda because it's obvious that she has an agenda and only an autist wouldn't see that.

She posted the story here because she knew the alt-right crowd would eat it up and validate her illegitimate views.

I'm not even saying she doesn't have an agenda you autistic smegma sucker. Your post was what was autistic and nonsensical.

Ender's only agenda is that she probably finds this change pointless and pandering to people for the sake of diversity, rather than promoting good storytelling.

Quote from: Ender on July 06, 2016, 11:05:28 PM

Quote from: Cindy on July 06, 2016, 10:52:52 PM

Okay so?

nothing really, i just thought it was interesting

here's how you would've replied if you didn't have some kind of agenda

you knew what you were doing when you posted this thread, so don't try to act neutral

>they didn't reply how I wanted them to reply, so they must have an agenda

This is advanced autism

Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2016, 08:45:20 PM

Quote from: Jim on July 06, 2016, 06:36:19 PM

How did you feel about Snowhead in general? Like, the village and everything leading up to the dungeon.

Probably my least favorite part of the game. I thought the Lens of Truth was dumb, and I hated the spring water bullshit.

i didn't really like the area either but tbh i thought the darmani song of healing cutscene to be the most touching song of healing... uh cutscene

i always get chills watching it

Same. Oh that reminds me about another criticism. New post incoming.

My two cents on the matter:

I don't really care, as long as they change the character too.  It has been done before. But I do think it's pointless, and really just serves to make the comics more "le diverse" which is a bad reason to change a story.  Miles Morales serves really no purpose. This character probably wont either. Why don't they do something cool with other characters that are already black? Or why don't they just make someone black/a woman because it contributes to the story in some way?

Really, it just comes down to whether or not the writing is good, which it wont be, because Bendis is writing it.

Shut up, kike

Glad you ended up playing this.

I've been trying to get a friend of mine to finish this for awhile. I hope she avoids this thread <_<

I had a slightly higher opinion of the dungeons than you, but yeah, it's generally agreed among Zelda fans that the dungeons in Majora's Mask were lackluster in comparison to the rest of the series.

I wish you hadn't used the Fierce Deity to beat Majora, though. I ended up doing the same thing on my first playthrough, because I worked so hard to get all those masks and stray fairies (by myself without a guide, I might add), so unless you also went through the same struggle, it would've been a more satisfying battle if you just fought him regularly.

I remember recommending this game to you because you made this assertion awhile back about Dark Souls being the only game you'd consider to be a piece of art. Having played Majora's Mask, how do you feel about that now?

I put spoiler in the title now. I did originally, but as I was typing it my login timed out so I had to copy paste it and redo the thread. I forgot the spoiler the second time, though.

I didn't dislike the dungeons. I thought they were all solid. I just didn't feel the same allure that I felt in OoT. I'd compare it to Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2. But I really did like Stone Tower Temple, but the boss was underwhelming, and rotating the temple is a bit of a chore, as I said.

I didn't realize Fierce Deity made the boss that fuckin easy. I mean the whole game is mostly easy anyway. I was watching AGDQ, and they said that apparently you can beat him as a deku scrub, which is supposedly really hard, but the flower patterns on the floor can be dug into and used in the battle. I'm itching to try that some time.

I actually had a discussion with someone about art and video games recently, and I've decided to reiterate my thoughts a bit. I think most games are not artistic in really any way, and even if I really enjoy a game like Battlefield Bad Company 2, I don't see any value in it artistically, only for entertainment and competition.  But there are games where, even if I do not consider them to be art in themselves, they have elements in the games that I find to be artistic. I think when somebody is really good at level design, and crafts some amazing levels like in my favorite game, Thief, I think there is something to be said about it artistically. Another example may be something like Metroid Prime, where maybe I wouldn't quite call it "art," but to ignore the fact that the game excels at giving the player a feeling over overwhelming loneliness and isolation would be ridiculous. Though the game might not have an artistic motivations behind it, it still makes me experience things the way only art really could, telling me there's some concept behind it that can at the very least be considered artistic.

Majoras Mask I feel could arguably be called art, just as Metroid Prime might. The emotion it expresses and the feeling it conveys leaves an impression, and I would be an idiot to ignore it. I feel as thought the Japanese are better at pulling artistic value from the medium of video games, for some reason, as I generally get more from their games (Shadow of the Colossus and ICO being two more examples of artistic Japanese games).

So I'd say you can at least reasonably argue Majoras Mask is art.

Felt like sharing my thoughts on it a little bit.

My first impressions were immensely positive. I was partially overwhelmed with nostalgia, remembering my days as a young kid, unable to figure out what the fuck to do because I was young and didn't read text boxes or use my brain.

The town is probably one of my favorite things about the game. For a game originally on the N64, before we had the technology to design believable, living and breathing cities, Clock Town is incredibly active, and feels alive. I would easily get sucked into doing a side quest for everyone after receiving the bomber's notebook, extending my play time naturally, not through artificial chore-like bullshit.

Getting more detailed now, the game plays as smoothly as Ocarina of Time, if not a little more so, as the masks work smoothly in their respective environments as opposed to, say, the iron boots in the water temple.

I think that anybody who hates the time mechanic probably sucks ball sack at the game or something, because I thought it was handled beautifully, and makes for an extremely interesting feature to the game. I like the fact that you lose all of your stuff when you restart, and I like that it puts pressure on you to beat the dungeon the first time, as opposed to taking an excessive amount of time. Not only does this work from a gameplay perspective, but it works from a story perspective to. Link is the hero of time now. He can do things that Skullkid/Majora and others might not realize. It gives you a sense of power and confidence, but it also makes the game a little gloomier than it already was. The first days are bright, and you might even forget the moon is there until you talk to the townspeople or simply look up. Yes, there are sad moments, like with Anju and Kafei, but ultimately the town is cheery and lighthearted, with games and kids running around playing. The final day changes that. The town feels deserted. The workers have all left except for the one stubborn old man. By the end of the third day, every quest you have done has a negative ending. Nothing good happens, but even if you do nothing it's still not a positive outcome. Ultimately, when you rewind time back to the first day, everything you did was undone. The game has this constant atmosphere of hopelessness about it, which is interesting because of the hope it gives you at times too.
That atmosphere is perfect in this game.

The dungeons are all, interestingly enough, a weak point in my opinion. None of them are particularly interesting as they were in OoT, except maybe Stone Tower Temple, which has interesting puzzles and difficulties that come with it, although rotating the temple is a bit of a chore.

Great Bay Temple is too sterile to me. I get the aesthetic they were going for, but it just feels out of place, and I muched preferred the pirate fortress infiltration before the actual dungeon. Although I will say the Zora form controls fantastically and is very fun, just not in tight spaces like in the temple.

Woodfall is fine. Has some cool parts to it, and I like the deku scrub form, but it's just pretty average.

The goron temple (forgot the name at the moment) is fun because I love controlling the goron form, and I like some of the puzzles in it. It also has my favorite boss, only I was an idiot the first time and didn't think to use the goron form to kill him, and instead used arrows.
The goron village and the surrounding areas are also really fun to, and I enjoy the environment a lot, both snow covered and otherwise.

From here, I can safely say that MM lacks charm in its dungeons, and a feeling of adventure overall. OoT did this much better, but OoT lacks the charm MM has in its storytelling, side quests, atmosphere and a few other things.

Finally we get to Majora, after I ensure all side quests are completed.

This sequence is surreal. Walking up to the tree and seeing the kids playing is like a dream. Each little mini side quest they have you do utlilizes a mask you have, and by the end they ask you a thoughtful question you don't answer. Very odd, almost tense experience, as you realize you are close to the end.

Finally we talk to majora, and if you have all the masks, and completed the quests with the children, you will get the Fierce Deity mask, which makes the battle almost trivial. I intend to some time play again and beat him without said mask.

Finally the battle. Its fairly straightforward, nothing incredibly interesting about it, but it's fun, and playing with the Fierce Deity mask brings the gameplay back to basics.

When it's over, though, you are rewarded with a satisfying end. Everything has fixed. Anju and Kafei are reunited and do not die together on the final day. Everyone is happy. Except skullkid. He was just a dumb kid. He lost his friends, and was just alone. I don't think hr ever intended to hurt anyone, as the mask clearly acts of its own volition. But, despite how absolutely grim the game could get, to the point that a little girl gets her brain sucked out if you fuck up, it ends happy, even for skullkid, and the friendship of Link and Skullkid is Immortalized in a tree trunk.

Overall verdict: It lacks the charm found in the dungeons and adventure of OoT, but what it lacks in that department it makes up for in other ways. The areas before the dungeon are often more fun and interesting than the dungeon itself, and the people in those places and how you affect their lives is satisfying to watch unfold. The atmosphere is amazing, and the gameplay is smooth. OoT may be more memorable in terms of game design and gameplay, but Majoras Mask stays with you through the citizens of the world itself

Quote from: Jim on July 06, 2016, 01:32:51 AM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on July 06, 2016, 01:11:16 AM

Would you people react differently if Loaf disappeared?

Uh Loaf is WAY better the elegiac he's my best friend

HOW? He is literally "trying too hard to be edgy and random" the user.

After threads like: How to burn down an orphanage or how to feed your family with your smegma - how can anyone think he is better than Elegiac?

It's his schtick. He's done it for YEARS. It's not like he's obnoxious like Elegiac.

mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell

Oh fuck I almost forgot the Cosmic Frog Wizard Antti Boman from Demilich

FUCK I'm forgetting everyone. Also, Leonard Cohen and Nick Drake.

Quote from: Callous on July 05, 2016, 03:15:12 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2016, 03:13:21 PM

things get popular for a reason

It's ironic because you only said this to be a contrarian

except not at all

everyone on this forum has this archaic and obscure as hell sense of music, because they want to look interesting and special

I listen to The Beatles, David Bowie, Queen, LDR, GNR, etc, because they're good

David Bowie is godlike. Queen is good. The rest suck balls.

Winona Ryder is like 6/10. 7/10 on a good day.

OP

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