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5311
« on: July 09, 2015, 11:05:44 AM »
But they weren't being forced to participate in the wedding. They were just baking a cake for the reception - exactly what they did for plenty of customers before.
I'm confused about how that is not participating in the wedding. It's a wedding cake for the wedding reception. And threat of $135k in damages seems pretty forceful.
5312
« on: July 09, 2015, 10:58:36 AM »
local businesses like photographers and florists refused to work with them, and they lost their business two years ago.
To be fair these are the best way to tell these businesses to stop being fundies or fuck off.
Is it, though? Do these guys really deserve a nationwide mob-mentality against them, the loss of their business and reputation, and crippling debt for refusing to serve them? We're talking 2007, when the majority of the country opposed gay marriage, including big democrats like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Yes there was a law on the books about discrimination based on sexual orientation, but that isn't what happened. They refused to make a cake for a gay wedding, not because the couple was gay. That may be splitting hairs, but they wouldn't have made the cake regardless of who ordered it; a third-party wedding planner could have placed the order and they'd still refuse, or the couple could have made an order for ostensibly any other event and they wouldn't be refused. That's their issue here. They didn't discriminate based on sexual orientation, they discriminated against participation in an event which conflicts with their religious belief (one that was mainstream and not at all fundamentalist). Hell, for my wedding I tried to get catering from my favorite local restaurant owned by a gay couple, and they refused to do it because they weren't comfortable doing it in a Christian church. Do they deserve to have their lives ruined because I had to go find another caterer?
I didn't express support for government intervention in the matter, nor for vandalism and other crimes. I just support businesses choosing to not extend their services to businesses whom they disagree based on their principles, which in this case, happened when a business refused to extend their services over something irrational or petty.
And it is bullshit to frame this issue as religious people being forced to participate in things that are against their religious beliefs, no one is forcing them to be a catering business. When you open an establishment, the public expects that you should extend service to customers as long as they are paying and willing, and not according to some questionable moral beliefs.
Let's not ignore the fact that providing baked goods to gays isn't in direct conflict with the Christian faith. It's not like making a Muslim eat pork. Nothing happens to a Christian if you provide your business's service to gays.
Well I addressed that in my post. They didn't want to participate in a gay marriage. They didn't refuse to serve the customers because they were gay.
5313
« on: July 09, 2015, 10:53:30 AM »
That's not really true. Generally the sky is the brownish orange color we're used to seeing, and it's red at twilight with a blueish hue around the sun in the sky. So that picture is either false-color or it's taken at sunset with the sun just out of view.
5314
« on: July 09, 2015, 10:48:45 AM »
That's not justice, that's punitive damage.
The American system of awarding triple and punitive damages is hands down one of the worst judicial policies that still exist in the
That aside, is there any place where you can access these judgements? This makes it very unclear whether this is 135k purely emotional damages, or whether this includes the likes of legal fees and process costs.
It's typically unusual for the losing side to have to pay the other's legal fees, and when that's done it's specifically stated. In this case, the judge ruled that their emotional damages for the incident alone (not years of stress due to court, etc) was worth $135k. That's insane.
Do you have a link to the actual judgement?
I'm not sure what you mean. Lower courts don't have to come out with a lengthy explanation of the reasoning for their verdict.
5315
« on: July 09, 2015, 10:12:15 AM »
Sounds like it'll be flooded with griefing. Interesting concept, though.
5316
« on: July 09, 2015, 09:59:23 AM »
local businesses like photographers and florists refused to work with them, and they lost their business two years ago.
To be fair these are the best way to tell these businesses to stop being fundies or fuck off.
Is it, though? Do these guys really deserve a nationwide mob-mentality against them, the loss of their business and reputation, and crippling debt for refusing to serve them? We're talking 2007, when the majority of the country opposed gay marriage, including big democrats like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Yes there was a law on the books about discrimination based on sexual orientation, but that isn't what happened. They refused to make a cake for a gay wedding, not because the couple was gay. That may be splitting hairs, but they wouldn't have made the cake regardless of who ordered it; a third-party wedding planner could have placed the order and they'd still refuse, or the couple could have made an order for ostensibly any other event and they wouldn't be refused. That's their issue here. They didn't discriminate based on sexual orientation, they discriminated against participation in an event which conflicts with their religious belief (one that was mainstream and not at all fundamentalist). Hell, for my wedding I tried to get catering from my favorite local restaurant owned by a gay couple, and they refused to do it because they weren't comfortable doing it in a Christian church. Do they deserve to have their lives ruined because I had to go find another caterer?
5317
« on: July 09, 2015, 09:34:56 AM »
That's not justice, that's punitive damage.
The American system of awarding triple and punitive damages is hands down one of the worst judicial policies that still exist in the
That aside, is there any place where you can access these judgements? This makes it very unclear whether this is 135k purely emotional damages, or whether this includes the likes of legal fees and process costs.
It's typically unusual for the losing side to have to pay the other's legal fees, and when that's done it's specifically stated. In this case, the judge ruled that their emotional damages for the incident alone (not years of stress due to court, etc) was worth $135k. That's insane.
5318
« on: July 09, 2015, 12:08:36 AM »
Break the law - pay the price. Sucks, but it is what it is.
I'd agree if the court had said it was for punitive damages, which are intended as a punishment. The damages were strictly emotional, meaning the two women supposedly suffered $135,000 in emotional pain, yet the bakery owners lost their business and reputation.
5319
« on: July 08, 2015, 11:34:06 PM »
i don't care how much stuff there is to do in your game if none of it is fun or interesting
lore is all well and good, but again, if the game isn't fun to play...
Well the overwhelming majority of opinions, from critics or regular players, is that the game is fun. Main criticism was from a melee system that needed improvement and a large amount of glitches. Obviously that opinion means little to you if you didn't enjoy it yourself, but it's clear that quite a few people are just letting their opinions be swayed by popular complaints and what I suppose would be the reverse of rose-tinted glasses: focusing solely on negatives and ignoring everything they enjoyed.
5320
« on: July 08, 2015, 11:28:36 PM »
Any thoughts on the disproportionate wage growth between the top percentage of earners and the bottom 90% over the past five decades?
5321
« on: July 08, 2015, 11:18:52 PM »
Hindsight is 20/20, and Skyrim, lauded as a damn-near perfect benchmark for the genre at release is now claimed to be boring, empty, and shallow. It's hard to pin down an objectively wrong opinion, but that's a good example of one. if it helps, i always thought skyrim was boring, empty, and shallow
So did a lot of people. However game "journalists", casuals, and babbys firsts love it and claimed it to be "a damn-near perfect benchmark for the genre" so I guess it must be true.
"Width of an ocean with the depth of a puddle" was a pretty common saying at release outside of the three communities I mentioned above.
The irony is that most of these people now claiming Skyrim is shallow can look fondly at their 200+ hours of adventuring in a still-true technical benchmark with genre-defining mechanics. It's just silly. Skyrim is, without debate, a ridiculously detailed, expansive, content-filled and organic game. There's a reason that the worst parts of the game are the scripted story pieces, and that's because the game absolutely succeeds at being open-world and player-driven. I'm not even sure what the "depth of a puddle" is referring to. Surely it's not talking about the lore available in the game, or the hundreds of completely optional locations, hundreds of quests followed by procedurally generated quests, or the thorough crafting system? Of course, the game isn't a character-driven vidya novella a la Witcher, but the series never claims to be such. It's a giant fucking world with tons of stuff to do and tons of lore to uncover, and it kicks ass at it.
5322
« on: July 08, 2015, 10:52:33 PM »
frankly, these anti-gay bakeries need to start getting their heads out of their asses
Pretty sure it's just been this one. This bakery is the one that has fueled discourse for years, despite being shut down in 2013.
5323
« on: July 08, 2015, 10:50:36 PM »
Fallout 3 was good, Skyrim still sets a benchmark for modern games, and Fallout 4 looks to be packed with an obscene amount of content. I'm getting pretty sick of these mopey threads talking about how shitty Fallout 3 was supposed to be, how boring Skyrim is (hint: if you're bored in Skyrim, you're a boring fucking person and there's no fixing that), and how supposedly bad Fallout 4 will be.
I can't tell if this is bait or not.
I've said many times on here how much I enjoy the modern Fallout games and the entire Elder Scrolls series. Those opinions aren't changing as public sentiment on the internet reflects how aged and flawed the games work. Hindsight is 20/20, and Skyrim, lauded as a damn-near perfect benchmark for the genre at release is now claimed to be boring, empty, and shallow. It's hard to pin down an objectively wrong opinion, but that's a good example of one. Fallout 4 looks great and seems to have many really interesting additions to a series whose fans have resisted change since day one. You're more than welcome to not buy it, but the constant whining on this forum about triple-A games is pretty obnoxious.
5324
« on: July 08, 2015, 10:28:47 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/04/oregon-bakery-same-sex-marriage-lawsuitThe damages are for emotional suffering caused by Sweet Cakes by Melissa, which two years ago refused to bake a wedding cake for Laurel and Rachel Bowman-Cryer.
A 2007 Oregon law protects the rights of LGBT people in employment, housing and public accommodations. It provides an exemption for religious organisations, but the agency ruled that exemption does not allow private businesses to discriminate against potential customers.
“This case is not about a wedding cake or a marriage. It is about a business’s refusal to serve someone because of their sexual orientation. Under Oregon law, that is illegal,” Oregon labor commissioner Brad Avakian said in the final order. And on top of this, the company car was vandalized twice, local businesses like photographers and florists refused to work with them, and they lost their business two years ago. And now they're getting fucked by an outrageous claim of emotional damages; yes, I'm sure being denied a cake service stressed them out for a day or two, but $135,000 in damages? That's not justice, that's punitive damage.
5325
« on: July 08, 2015, 10:07:25 PM »
Fallout 3 was good, Skyrim still sets a benchmark for modern games, and Fallout 4 looks to be packed with an obscene amount of content. I'm getting pretty sick of these mopey threads talking about how shitty Fallout 3 was supposed to be, how boring Skyrim is (hint: if you're bored in Skyrim, you're a boring fucking person and there's no fixing that), and how supposedly bad Fallout 4 will be.
5326
« on: July 08, 2015, 09:33:46 PM »
Our radio broadcasts have only traveled about 200 light years, and relatively speaking there are only a handful of exoplanets within that diameter. Any species sufficiently capable of travelling 200 light years in any short amount of time (let's say a generation or two) would probably have already detected us by other means (likely through observing the surrounding exoplanets and calculating ones that are likely to form life). And assuming there is an alien species on their way to negotiate their share of our planet, either peacefully or forcefully, I'd say any amount of broadcasting is irreparable and we're already screwed.
So yeah, let's keep broadcasting, because it doesn't seem very likely that a greater-than-sapient organism would be comically evil and try to murder us all just for the hell of it. I tend to go with an Ender's Game scenario where the species is so vastly different that they don't even comprehend us as intelligent, and work on eradicating humans simply because we're in the way.
5327
« on: July 07, 2015, 06:43:24 PM »
I like to have my character be a dual-wield rogue since they're the most hands-on (IMO) and the AI sucks at subtlety. Mages and archers can be parked somewhere far away and just spam attacks. Tanks and DPS warriors basically just stand in front of enemies and pull aggro.
5328
« on: July 07, 2015, 06:37:31 PM »
Character-wise, I'd much rather have Sanders elected over Clinton. He's got very little leadership experience, but Clinton has none. And the president isn't as powerful in moving legislation through Congress as we make it out to be, so he can't really do a vast amount of damage. Being a consistent voter, as opposed to someone like Obama who has flipped on a laundry list of major points, we'll know what we're getting which is better than the obscenely corrupt political machine of the Clintons.
And the best part is that he'll be easy to beat. Yeah he's got an impressively obnoxious viral advertising campaign going on, but he'll get torn to shreds when those ads actually matter for something.
5329
« on: July 06, 2015, 09:24:14 PM »
the highest Democrat is Bernie Sanders on 53pc
Seppuku.
5330
« on: July 06, 2015, 04:12:24 PM »
I hear John Kasich is pretty based relative to other politicians, but he won't go anyway.
I'm pretty confident he'll be running.
5331
« on: July 04, 2015, 09:41:13 AM »
So I haven't posted a math thread in quite a while, mostly because I'm out of school and no longer have much inspiration from the things I learn, unless you want to learn about how to fly. But I recently reposted my old Gabriel's Horn thread on a B.shit thread and wanted to follow up and potentially post more regularly. So refer to my previous thread, and check out the following graph:  The general idea was that we rotate the positive side of 1/x around the x axis to produce an object called Gabriel's Horn, which has infinite surface area and a finite volume exactly equal to pi:  So the point of this thread, then, is to discuss how two-dimensional objects can be stacked to produce a three-dimensional object. That might sound intuitive, but remember that 2D objects lack any thickness. Those circles are exactly 0 units thick, so when you stack them, the resultant object should be 0 units thick (in fact, you shouldn't even be able to stack them, and this is largely an abstract concept rather than a real-world example). Somehow, an infinite amount of nothing results in something. That's all for now. I'll try to come up with something more comprehensive next time.
5332
« on: July 03, 2015, 11:15:28 PM »
Bush/Rubio all the way, baby. I'm kind of hoping John Kasich makes it into the top spots though. I think he'd be good.
5333
« on: July 03, 2015, 04:58:09 PM »
I thought Invasion was an incredibly fun gametype, albeit unbalanced. I'm hoping Warzone brings back that progressive, dynamic, and asymmetric gameplay back.
5334
« on: July 03, 2015, 04:24:18 PM »
He's economically illiterate, is bought by unions, is anti-nuclear, and his only leadership experience is as mayor of a small city. He should stay in Congress where he can succeed at his one good facet: social issues.
5335
« on: July 03, 2015, 12:47:06 PM »
Well the website is copyrighted simply by existing, though Cheat could register it to secure a few more litigative rights. The name 'Sep7agon' is a trademark, and while that also exists without registration, if an artist decided to register the name 'Sep7agon' as a trademark, Cheat could possibly have to change the name because he's using is for ad revenue. Though if Cheat could demonstrate he had prior use he could challenge the trademark within 5 years of its registration.
5336
« on: July 03, 2015, 12:27:27 PM »
What are you planning to do with it? If you're considering building a home, you should check out the associated costs and zoning regulations in that area. If you're just buying it to have 4 acres of dirt, you might as well just set your money on fire.
5337
« on: July 03, 2015, 12:23:06 PM »
He should've had his weapon cased, and shouldn't have been walking around with a plate carrier on. Weapons are strictly banned in malls, so he absolutely was violating that ordinance, regardless of whether the ammunition was in a backpack (or even if his rifle was in a case). I'm all for the right to carry, but use some common sense. This was fucking stupid, and you'd think an NCO would have a little more sense than open carrying a rifle with body armor, and how lame is it to go do a photo shoot in that shit at Macy's of all places?
5338
« on: July 03, 2015, 08:25:52 AM »
I would've bought it if it was actually functional, instead of just a shiny plastic holder for your phone.
5339
« on: July 03, 2015, 08:14:01 AM »
Defeating Superman, one cardigan at a time.
5340
« on: July 02, 2015, 11:16:32 PM »
I played it a bit when it came out because it had a Mercs vibe to it, but it just felt weird.
"mercs"?
Like a less goofy Just Cause.
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