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5221
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:48:56 PM »
(Sugar is more addictive than marijuana, btw)
5222
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:46:55 PM »
Hey Verb, as my mentor and sexual dom, can you explain how we determine something's utility? Because it feels pretty darn subjective to what suits our argument, and I don't want to fuck up while converting these druggies.
5223
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:43:38 PM »
You are completely right, Verbatim. About everything. Marijuana is like nicotine and vegan ice cream is healthier and more nutritious than both of them. In fact, Vegan everything is better. I am now a vegan ice-cream-eating straight edge. No, I'd have to say that you've been saying is far more accurate.
Weed is completely healthy and everyone should smoke it. Messing around with your brain chemistry is not only a smart thing to do--it's one of the smartest. Everyone should just stop being productive and just do drugs for the rest of time. Thank you for showing me the light.
Hey, fuck you, guy. I can't forgive the silliness you've fallen victim to, and I'm ashamed my former mentor is now a pot-eating, unproductive waste of space. I wish you hadn't been born (primarily because it's obscenely unethical, but also because you're a pothead loser).
5224
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:39:12 PM »
I don't know why you're berating me. I've converted to veganicecreamism. I'm joining you on your crusade to stamp out all fun that did not produce utility and drugs with no negative side effects, because happiness has no purpose. It has to get things done, or it's dumb.
5225
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:36:02 PM »
You know, honestly, it's really not that bad except for all of it.
5226
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:33:24 PM »
You just said that ice cream is healthy and compared marijuana to nicotine. You're clearly not interested in having a decent discussion, but would rather turn your nose up at anything that doesn't suit you.
You are completely right, Verbatim. About everything. Marijuana is like nicotine and vegan ice cream is healthier and more nutritious than both of them. In fact, Vegan everything is better. I am now a vegan ice-cream-eating straight edge.
Don't any of you motherfuckers tempt me with lactose.
5227
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:21:11 PM »
Empirical doesn't mean what you think it means. But no, America has had significant opportunity for imperialistic aggression since WWII, but it just hasn't happened.
5228
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:18:10 PM »
I don't need ice cream to survive. you need food to survive
thanks for missing the point once again
Ice cream has a net negative affect on my health despite containing nutrients that are good.
It does nothing for me.
It has no utility. literally everything said here is wrong
prove that ice cream has a net negative "affect" on your health
But somehow it's better than weed, for some reason. Its primary use is to taste good and make me feel better through the process of digestion in which the chemicals in the food trigger a dopamine release in my body. This isn't at all different from what weed does, you simply single it out because of your aversion to mind-altering substances in general. is weed food?
no
The nutrients in ice cream are mostly fats and sugars. Those are bad for you. Are you seriously asking me to demonstrate that ice cream is unhealthy? Jesus Christ, Verb, you have the strongest self-serving bias I've ever seen. Is weed food? Yes, it fucking is. You consume it, and one of the most popular (and healthy) methods is through edibles. So if I put that shit in ice cream, does it become utilitarian?
5229
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:14:45 PM »
Well it is the official motto of the United States.
5230
« on: July 12, 2015, 10:12:04 PM »
you DON'T need weed to survive
it does NOTHING for you
it has NO utility
I don't need ice cream to survive. Ice cream has a net negative affect on my health despite containing nutrients that are good. It does nothing for me. It has no utility. But somehow it's better than weed, for some reason. Its primary use is to taste good and make me feel better through the process of digestion in which the chemicals in the food trigger a dopamine release in my body. This isn't at all different from what weed does, you simply single it out because of your aversion to mind-altering substances in general.
5231
« on: July 12, 2015, 09:35:09 PM »
Happiness is needed to survive. Why does it matter what kind of happiness it is?
It doesn't. you're just saying it doesn't, but you're not actually proving it
Wat I was using your own statement. Ice cream has no nutritional value, but it gives you pleasure so it's good. Apparently. I'm just using your own argument. I don't know what you want me to prove. Happiness is necessary for a healthy life. Pot makes you happy with basically no negative side effects, and has physiological benefits. There's no compelling argument for why something should be bad just because it's kind of gross to you. Marijuana has utility.
5232
« on: July 12, 2015, 09:29:35 PM »
Ice cream is needed to survive?
Okay. food is, yes
did you see me type the word "food" there? yes you did
why does it matter what kind of food it is
it doesn't
Happiness is needed to survive. Why does it matter what kind of happiness it is? It doesn't.
5233
« on: July 12, 2015, 09:23:56 PM »
Ice cream is needed to survive?
Okay.
And so is happiness. If ostensibly any food is good because it gives you happiness, then any recreational drug should be good, too. And a bowl of ice cream is far less healthy than a dose of pot.
5234
« on: July 12, 2015, 09:11:58 PM »
Name ANY (ethical) recreational activity that doesn't involve any kind of drug.
The pleasure derived from that activity is going have more utility than any recreational drug.
Sex Eating vegan ice cream Staring blankly into space Watching midgets ride motorcycles at a circus Reading a book with no intellectual merit How are you quantifying that? Why do you think it's important to optimize the utility of your recreational activities? Why do you think recreational activities' utility can even be reasonably stated? This whole discussion is nonsense. Of course it does. Happiness is essential to one's health. a pedophile rapes a ten year old and feels happy
Jesus Christ, I specifically stated that we're talking about ethical actions. You can't deny that happiness is tangibly related to your mental and physical health. Happiness has utility, and its source is generally irrelevant. In fact, it's been argued on here that pedophiles should be allowed a safe environment to express their desires (I think through CP cartoons or something) because attempting to ignore them is physically detrimental to them.
5235
« on: July 12, 2015, 09:04:06 PM »
It's just so pointless to take issue with the exact cause of peoples' happiness in a time where the means to experience it are so common and available. in other words, "millions of people smoke weed and enjoy it, so it's pointless to be upset about it"
That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying there are so many available sources of happiness that to try to define some sort of good/bad paradigm based on whether the source has a utility (which itself is highly subjective and largely superfluous) is just pointless. And if that's pointless, then according to you, you shouldn't be doing it. but happiness does not have utility in itself
Of course it does. Happiness is essential to one's health.
5236
« on: July 12, 2015, 08:51:15 PM »
I can live a full life without ever eating a perfectly cooked steak or a pint of ice cream, yet you're not on here giving people shit for sharing their experiences of their first time eating those. i'm a vegan
yes i do
Okay, how about a delicious salad? Or a vegan dessert? Now you're just being pedantic. It's just so pointless to take issue with the exact cause of peoples' happiness in a time where the means to experience it are so common and available. If happiness in itself has utility and benefits the human condition, then it shouldn't matter what the source is (assuming it's ethical; like, it's not okay to derive happiness from murdering toddlers).
5237
« on: July 12, 2015, 08:49:03 PM »
Okay. Argue it. And explain why recreational drugs in particular are bad, but any other chemical that you ingest or are exposed to that causes it is good (i.e., food, beverages, scents, etc.). you need food to live
you can live a full life without ever smoking a single joint
I can live a full life without ever eating a perfectly cooked steak or a pint of ice cream, yet you're not on here giving people shit for sharing their experiences of their first time eating those. It's just so pointless to take issue with the exact cause of peoples' happiness in a time where the means to experience it are so common and available. If happiness in itself has utility and benefits the human condition, then it shouldn't matter what the source is (assuming it's ethical; like, it's not okay to derive happiness from murdering toddlers).
5238
« on: July 12, 2015, 08:37:32 PM »
In that case, we shouldn't do anything that makes us happy unless it has utility. i would argue that 99% of all happiness that isn't derived from drugs has some level of utlity
Okay. Argue it. And explain why recreational drugs in particular are bad, but any other chemical that you ingest or are exposed to that causes it is good (i.e., food, beverages, scents, etc.). And yes, you certainly are appealing to nature. You criticized it by saying it wasn't natural in comparison to other ways we experience happiness. just ignore the fact that there's nothing intrinsically good about smoking weed, such that it should make anyone happy to smoke it, then
whereas there IS an intrinsic good in everytihng else that i stated
i think you're the one appealing to nature here
"it release dopamine, therefore good"
what
At no point did I say that something is good if it releases dopamine. I'm pointing out how flawed it is to say meeting a friend is good because it makes you happy, but marijuana is bad because it makes you happy artificially. weed is a drug
that makes you happy
but only artificially
5239
« on: July 12, 2015, 08:29:18 PM »
In that case, we shouldn't do anything that makes us happy unless it has utility. And yes, you certainly are appealing to nature. You criticized it by saying it wasn't natural in comparison to other ways we experience happiness.
Marijuana isn't toxic, has no detrimental side effects, and is non-habit-forming.
5240
« on: July 12, 2015, 08:23:33 PM »
Now wait just a minute.
You're against suffering (who isn't). Weed makes people happy. It's relatively harmless.
Why would you be against something that makes people happy and doesn't harm them? please
weed does make you happy
meeting an old friend releases dopamine
finishing a project releases dopamine
receiving a compliment releases dopamine
watching a good movie releases dopamine
playing a fun game releases dopamine
seeing a loved one releases dopamine
lots of things release dopamine and for a good reason
weed is a drug
that releases dopamine
in the same way that food or pleasurable activities do
are any of your problems solved when you experience dopamine from anything?
are you honestly genuinely happy?
Yes
Sorry about doing this immediately after you asked me to not put words into your mouth, but your appeal to nature is pretty silly.
5241
« on: July 12, 2015, 08:13:55 PM »
But your argument for its stupidity is that it's harmful. Well if it's not harmful, then how is it stupid? you are putting words in my mouth
don't do that
I don't mean to. I'm going off of your statement, "what goes into the mindset of 'i'm gonna play around with the most precious and valuable organ in my body' "
5242
« on: July 12, 2015, 08:11:00 PM »
There are quite a few recreational drugs that are very safe. i don't really care
But your claim is that they harm your brain, so you kinda seem to care about it.
i care about people using drugs, yes
i don't care whether it's harmful or not
just because something is harmless doesn't mean it's not stupid or ill-advised
But your argument for its stupidity is that it's harmful. Well if it's not harmful, then how is it stupid?
5243
« on: July 12, 2015, 08:06:26 PM »
There are quite a few recreational drugs that are very safe. i don't really care
But your claim is that they harm your brain, so you kinda seem to care about it.
5244
« on: July 12, 2015, 08:01:47 PM »
I've never tried drugs, but I look forward to trying marijuana. I've heard ecstasy and LSD are awesome.
you know what else is awesome
a healthy brain functioning the way it is supposed to
There are quite a few recreational drugs that are very safe.
5245
« on: July 12, 2015, 07:57:08 PM »
I've never tried drugs, but I look forward to trying marijuana. I've heard ecstasy and LSD are awesome.
5246
« on: July 12, 2015, 05:16:15 PM »
-Johnny Walker
Johnny Walker black label is objectively the best whiskey out there.
Red label if you're budgeting.
Isn't black label the favorite drink of Christopher Hitchens? I really like it, but in general I prefer single malt.
5247
« on: July 12, 2015, 04:30:33 PM »
I honestly didn't really mind all the MMO quests because of how beautiful the environments were and how easy they were to complete while exploring. As long as you pick them up early, they basically complete themselves.
5248
« on: July 12, 2015, 04:25:50 PM »
I deduced stuff and understood what you mean, but I feel like you're leaving out some information that's vital here. What is this trend in human capital that you speak of?
In this case, the trend is for Muslim cultures in England (specifically those that participate in Ramadan while pregnant) could 'profit' from avoiding those practices and ultimately have smarter kids making more money. But it also seems to suggest that the typical family could see a similar gain by adjusting their behavior because of the important of prenatal nutrition, i.e., paying more attention to what babies need rather than the common idea that pregnant women can just eat whatever they feel like eating. At least that's what I got from it. A lot of that is just my own assumptions.
So smarter kids give smarter societymake more money if you're nitpicking and thus better economy?
I'm sorry, but that's the main point I'm seeing in your post here. You said no when I asked if this was it, but you're saying what I assumed.
Are you actually interested in this discussion, or are you just trying to generalize statements until you can feel like your original statement was somehow meaningful?
5249
« on: July 12, 2015, 04:20:40 PM »
My beer list is too long to remember (go-to is Guinness), wines I'm not really knowledgeable in and I generally stick to red blends like Menage a Trois, but I've recently been into whiskey:
-Jack Daniels black label/Gentleman Jack/Jack Single Barrel
-Glenlivet 10
-Glenmorangie 12
-Bulleit Rye
-Buffalo Trace
-Some sort of grain alcohol that came in a wooden bullet-shaped bottle
-Johnny Walker
-Jameson
-Bruichladdich Scottish Barley
Just off the top of my head. There's a whiskey bar in my town with hundreds of whiskeys available, so I'm working my way through a list.
"Too much of anything is bad, but too much good whiskey is barely enough.” - Mark Twain
5250
« on: July 12, 2015, 04:12:03 PM »
I deduced stuff and understood what you mean, but I feel like you're leaving out some information that's vital here. What is this trend in human capital that you speak of?
In this case, the trend is for Muslim cultures in England (specifically those that participate in Ramadan while pregnant) could 'profit' from avoiding those practices and ultimately have smarter kids making more money. But it also seems to suggest that the typical family could see a similar gain by adjusting their behavior because of the important of prenatal nutrition, i.e., paying more attention to what babies need rather than the common idea that pregnant women can just eat whatever they feel like eating. At least that's what I got from it. A lot of that is just my own assumptions.
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