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Why exactly does that matter outside of human response to it happening?

I'm not sure why you want to be so formal with this, but it matters because of the very strong potential (due to high likelihood of being adopted) for a net good to have taken place once the puppies were adopted by a loving family.

i.e. Don't shoot puppies because an adopted puppy is better than a dead one and it's likely they would've been adopted.

Sure a being naturally wants to live and death is obviously in opposition to that, but that want is not there to be dissatisfied if the agent is dead. There is no negative once something is dead, because death is only negative if something is alive to think that.

I don't think you've thought that statement through very well. You're implying that a being's value is tantamount to whatever external value is assigned to it through some other being, so then how could it be unethical to murder a person who has no external value (such as a homeless person with no family)? Yes I said that a pet's value is pretty much defined by its owner, but as I said repeatedly, the chance of adoption is a potential source of value that is entirely ignored.

To be honest I'm pretty much over this hypothetical discussion. If you don't see an issue with shooting a dog versus trying to find a home for it, then I don't think I'll be able to sway you. It's not a big deal anyway.

Also, holy shit OP, fix the title.

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 23, 2015, 03:24:19 PM

Sure, holding a puppy and blowing its brains out may be less scary, but shepherds have a very high adoption rate and since the guy was responsible for their birth (via not spaying his dog or trying to breed without knowing how), he really owed those puppies a bit more of a chance (and dignity) than being shot at 12 weeks old.

I think while we can say that this event is most definitely avoidable and it's his fault it wasn't avoided, I think we can also agree that the difference between putting those dogs in shelters and quickly ending their lives is minimal. Shelters have plenty of animals to be giving away already and now they won't have these few as burdens for whatever duration they would stay there.

As for the puppies, they're dead, they can't know the difference.
Dignity is just a concept designed to make things appear neater than they are (the only negative experience these pups had from being shot rather than injected is hearing the gunshot for the one in front of them) so humans don't feel as bad when they look at the scene. But any rational person can recognize that that is a purely emotional distinction and that the two method are effectively equal in terms of humanity.

You guys have been repeatedly making it sound like I'm concerned about how the person feels; I'm not talking about which method is 'easier' for the killer, I'm talking about the ethical ramifications of executing a dog versus euthanizing them after an extended duration in a shelter. Statistically, most of those puppies would have been adopted within a few weeks. Shepherd puppies are incredibly popular. It's galling that the word 'humanity' is being thrown around in a situation involving an irresponsible owner trying to kill puppies that were born because he refused to spay his dog. Is shooting a dog a particularly heinous act? No, especially when that dog has no real emotional connection (because ultimately, the dog's value is almost entirely determined by their owner). In this case, was shooting the dogs the best course of action? Obviously not. I'm not making a sweeping argument for dropping puppies off at a crowded shelter on a whim.

Regardless, I know for a fact that executions aren't painless. They don't use Euthasol for executions, then.

Any pain you might think is being felt is likely just fear; that's what the paralytic is used for.

Sure, holding a puppy and blowing its brains out may be less scary, but shepherds have a very high adoption rate and since the guy was responsible for their birth (via not spaying his dog or trying to breed without knowing how), he really owed those puppies a bit more of a chance (and dignity) than being shot at 12 weeks old.

And no. Euthanasia is harmless. Lethal injections aren't.

You just confirmed you have no idea what you're talking about.

Also, there is fluoride in tap water. This is an undisputed fact. So trying to attack my character by bringing that up is idiotic.

I'm bringing it up because you're notoriously uninformed on almost every social/political issue you talk about on here (see: "Laughing my ass off if you legitimately believe animal shelters use euthanasia when killing their animals.")

I guess they just bludgeon them to death with the nearest baseball bat, eh?

Laughing my ass off if you legitimately believe animal shelters use euthanasia when killing their animals.

They probably just give them some fluoridated tap water, huh?

With protein powder and supplements, it wouldn't be too hard to gain muscle. You'd just have to be up for eating a lot of protein shakes and vegetables, which many bodybuilders already do.

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 23, 2015, 11:45:01 AM

I wonder why he didn't just drop them off at a shelter.

Because killing them (quickly) does no harm and doesn't put more burden on shelters which already have plenty to worry about.
Really he just fat fingered a task that otherwise doesn't have anything wrong with it (other than not spaying his dog)

Shepherd pups are usually quickly adopted, and no, it's definitely not legal or okay to kill your dogs.

Is that like a type of sausage?

Grumpy old man.

oh who gives a fuck

I know you don't care, but this is relevant to hundreds of millions of people. GoT and ASoIaF are arguably two of the biggest television shows and books in history, respectively.

Gonna be honest, she actually seems extremely annoying in-person.

I'm not at all an expert, but her body language just screams that she's lying through her teeth (literally) about Jon being dead. Basically, she's claiming that the interview in which Kit Harington claims GoT will be part of his life past his thirties and that Snow is very much alive was fabricated (somehow). No word on the claims that he was seen filming a fight scene, or hanging around with some of the actors.

I think it's still safe to say Snow is obviously coming back.

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The republican party is like one big mental asylum

I'd argue that the democrats are even worse. Given that the front runner as of now seems to be Hillary "Female Nixon but worse" Clinton.

Nixon was actually pretty good up until Watergate.

>wage and price controls

wat

Nobody's perfect. I wasn't speaking strictly from an economic perspective.