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The Flood / Re: Post your Black Friday shopping
« on: November 27, 2015, 07:43:04 PM »
I bought a boxset of all the clint eastwood films ever for me tho

Legit jelly

Amazon?

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The Flood / Re: Coffee lovers
« on: November 27, 2015, 07:36:13 PM »
Oh, and that pumpkin spice? They won't say what is used to make it, because the chemical used in it has nothing to do with pumpkins and is a carcinogen that causes headaches when consumed to excess (which is why they don't sell it year round, despite it being so popular).

They actually changed it. Removed the dye (which one blogger falsely labeled a carcinogen) and added pumpkin puree.


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The Flood / Re: Coffee lovers
« on: November 27, 2015, 07:04:17 PM »
If the beans didn't get shit out of a virgin cat in Guatemala it's not real coffee.

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I don't want you to think I'm ignoring your post, because I read it all. I don't think it's fair to compare Witcher to Fallout, since they strive for the opposite experience: Witcher gives you a character that has a defined personality and lets you roll with that; Fallout gives you a framework and lets you be who you want. I totally agree that the character-building of Fallout is shit, but it was shit in 1 & 2, also; funny and diverse dialog doesn't equate to character development. Fallout has never been about the character, it's been about the world.

The Sole Survivor doesn't have an established backstory; he's a soldier (or she's a lawyer) with a son and a spouse, and that's it. How that personality is expressed is varied by the player (angry, submissive, flippant, etc.). The different personalities see you down roughly the same path, but I challenge you to name an RPG where the ending is vastly different based on how much of an asshole you are, rather than which faction you align yourself to and which quests you choose to complete. In that sense, Bethesda fucked up by giving us voiced dialog because they were apparently trying to make the PC a deeper character.

Again, I completely agree that the character development is shit in Fallout, but I'd argue that that isn't at all the purpose of the game. Your character is just an way to let you explore the world, which is thoroughly fleshed out.

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The Flood / Re: Why does Family Guy have so many flashbacks and cutaways
« on: November 26, 2015, 09:14:57 PM »
It's just a way to tell jokes, like how comedians are making low-budget comedies (Louis, Master of None, etc.) to deliver standup jokes that they can stage in a TV show. It's overdone but it's still an iconic feature of the show.

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The Flood / Re: Lets go get them Turkeys boys.
« on: November 26, 2015, 01:42:52 PM »
This triggers me.

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It also doesn't help the dialogue wheel is awful. I guess there is some choice here or there, but the fact they still force you at some points to keep reminding you of your past just help break the immersion for me. I hate how they shove that past down your throat.

It's very typical, especially in older games, for RPGs to give your character an established backstory. In Fallout 1 you could choose from a few different premade characters, for example. Usually the effects of that backstory are appreciated because it adds some depth to the character beyond some rando that wandered out of a vault one day and decided to be Wasteland Jesus.

Having a bit of motivation for your character is ruining your immersion? I'm not sure how you can handle any RPG, then. I bet KOTOR's Revan story must've pissed you off.
I promise I'll give you a proper reply later. Just doing other things atm.

No worries. Happy Thanksgiving!

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It also doesn't help the dialogue wheel is awful. I guess there is some choice here or there, but the fact they still force you at some points to keep reminding you of your past just help break the immersion for me. I hate how they shove that past down your throat.

It's very typical, especially in older games, for RPGs to give your character an established backstory. In Fallout 1 you could choose from a few different premade characters, for example. Usually the effects of that backstory are appreciated because it adds some depth to the character beyond some rando that wandered out of a vault one day and decided to be Wasteland Jesus.

Having a bit of motivation for your character is ruining your immersion? I'm not sure how you can handle any RPG, then. I bet KOTOR's Revan story must've pissed you off.

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The Minutemen are inconsequential, though. They shouldn't even be considered a faction, and you choosing to not advance their goals by not completing or starting the quests isn't at all different from doing it through a dialog option. In my save file I've got Minutemen settlements all over the place, able to provide artillery anywhere on the map; someone else's could have no Minutemen settlements, instead choosing to co-op farms around the map for the Brotherhood.

Your character doesn't need to get upset whenever he's looking for his son; I've posted this before, but in the confrontation with Kellogg you can choose to skip everything and just murder him without saying a word, or calmly talk about it, or plead for Shaun's location. There's plenty of diversity, the real problem is that it all funnels you to the same point (i.e., you can't convince Kellogg to give you Shaun's location, or bring him to repent for his actions, etc.). But that's really a consequence of Bethesda working in a solid, consistent narrative instead of the weak, disjointed story that got them a ton of flak in Skyrim.

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Any game, even (or especially) RPGs need central story to drive the motivation of the player. Whether it's finding your son and avenging your spouse, or finding your dad and completing his work, or finding the gangster that left you for dead in the desert, or being the chosen one sent out into the wasteland to find a GECK, or to find replacement parts for your vault, you're still given a reason to go out and play the game.

I agree the dialog options are far too narrow, but there's a whole lot more to depth of story than your own personal narrative, and in the sense of world building, Fallout 4 is phenomenal. So no, you can't senselessly obliterate a town or deviate from looking for your son for half the game, but you can annihilate factions for fun, sell a kid and his family to slavers, leave Virgil stranded in the glowing sea as a super mutant losing his mind, withhold a vaccine from a dying kid, help a wife get away with adultery or double cross a guy during a drug deal, kill a companion for loyalty, and tons of other examples.

And can we stop using "casualization" as a catchall insult as if Fallout 1 & 2 weren't also very casual games at the time?

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Serious / Re: When does a "child" become responsible for their actions?
« on: November 26, 2015, 10:23:54 AM »
Children aren't even capable of empathy until around age 8, which is why kids can seem to be cold-hearted fucks. Responsible for small stuff to learn discipline? Definitely. Responsible for actual comes? Nah.

13's a good age to start enforcing legal repercussions.
Eh, I don't think it's quite that they aren't capable of empathy, just that, until a certain age, they aren't capable of looking at things from another's point of view. Not quite the same.

No, I literally mean that children don't have a fully developed sense of empathy until ages 6-8.

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Serious / Re: When does a "child" become responsible for their actions?
« on: November 26, 2015, 10:10:19 AM »
Children aren't even capable of empathy until around age 8, which is why kids can seem to be cold-hearted fucks. Responsible for small stuff to learn discipline? Definitely. Responsible for actual comes? Nah.

13's a good age to start enforcing legal repercussions.

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I'm kind of surprised we haven't seen any usage of nukes at all, especially tactical warheads.

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The Flood / Re: So I just had my first bourbon...
« on: November 25, 2015, 10:28:05 PM »
1. Jim Beam
I love you
Jim Beam is the most underrated liquor of all time.

Jim Beam is the most popular bourbon in the country, though. But yeah, you can't beat it for 15 bucks.

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Expatriate and join ISIS. That oughta do it.

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The Flood / Re: So I just had my first bourbon...
« on: November 25, 2015, 08:47:23 PM »
Which bourbon?

Sipping on some Buffalo Trace right now. Chilled glass and a couple drops of water is the way to go.

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The Flood / Re: Enjoy your turkeys you sick fucks
« on: November 25, 2015, 08:46:21 PM »
Shocking footage from a real Thanksgiving concentration camp:


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The Flood / Re: Enjoy your turkeys you sick fucks
« on: November 25, 2015, 07:17:33 PM »
Haven't had turkey for dunksgiving in like 8 years.

None will be spared when the turkeys rise up.

Spoiler

The face of vengeance.

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The Flood / Enjoy your turkeys you sick fucks
« on: November 25, 2015, 07:14:25 PM »


Genocide, with a side of mashed potatoes and cranberries.

smh tbh ffs irl

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The Flood / Re: so the oxygen we breathe is O2
« on: November 25, 2015, 07:09:49 PM »
Ozone is present throughout the atmosphere but is created in very high quantities in the ozone layer. It doesn't settle below the air because ozone is very volatile and only exists for about an hour in the stratosphere.

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Serious / Re: So did America basically arm ISIS?
« on: November 25, 2015, 08:21:26 AM »
America supported the precursors to the Taliban and Al Qaeda (when they were legitimate governments fighting the Soviets), but not ISIS.

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The Flood / Re: Captain America 3 Civil War first trailer
« on: November 25, 2015, 08:19:03 AM »
Looks great. I'm glad they don't appear to be going with the registration plot, and that Cap has a more personal and believable reason for resisting SHIELD.

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Serious / Re: Chicago? Police Killings? Protests?????
« on: November 24, 2015, 10:42:05 PM »
The cop's been charged with murder already; what are they protesting?

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The Flood / Re: Special agent Dana Scully appreciation thread
« on: November 24, 2015, 10:41:11 PM »
>Literally meets ghosts and aliens on a weekly basis
>Still a skeptic


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Serious / Re: Opinions on compulsory voting?
« on: November 24, 2015, 03:42:44 PM »
The right to abstain is equally as important as the right to cast a vote.

That being said I consider voting to be a fundamental duty of every citizen.

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The Flood / Re: Shame on you, Septagon!
« on: November 24, 2015, 03:15:23 PM »
Sep7agon.net is still a benchmark for modern forums.

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Serious / Re: Turkey may have accidentally started WWIII
« on: November 24, 2015, 10:44:30 AM »
Hey, the crew ejected, so just buy Putin a shiny new plane and call it even stevens.

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The Flood / Re: Britain's 'loneliest schoolboy' forced to befriend ducks.
« on: November 24, 2015, 10:43:07 AM »
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His exclusive education costs the local council £75,357 per year

How nice of the community to pick up the tab.

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Serious / Re: Minority students protesting colleges in numerous states
« on: November 24, 2015, 10:35:45 AM »
What exactly is the administration supposed to do about what occurs at a private party? Frown and look sad about it?
Or expel students and not tolerate the behavior.

That's utterly ridiculous.
If there's a party on campus that promotes racism I don't see why the school shouldn't take any kind of action towards these students.

Parties like that are breeding grounds for radicals who will take it to the next level.

is this memes

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Serious / Re: Minority students protesting colleges in numerous states
« on: November 24, 2015, 09:00:44 AM »
What exactly is the administration supposed to do about what occurs at a private party? Frown and look sad about it?
Or expel students and not tolerate the behavior.

That's utterly ridiculous.

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