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The Flood / Re: You don't like Justin Bieber?
« on: December 24, 2015, 12:04:45 AM »
Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga,

Take that back.

TAYLOR SWIFT

LADY GAGA

Are really talented but make bad music.

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The Flood / Re: You don't like Justin Bieber?
« on: December 24, 2015, 12:02:20 AM »
He's really talented, but his music is shit. Happens all the time in pop music.

See: Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, Kesha, etc.

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Serious / Re: Most right-wing users on the site?
« on: December 23, 2015, 11:56:21 PM »
Turkey is probably the most conservative. He shills for literally every imaginable big corporation, the government, and harmful chemicals. He denies the dangers of aspartame, flouride, and GMOs completely

That's a weird set of criteria for conservatism.
If you think aspartame is harmless, you're supporting that myth. And the only people who benefit from the myth are corporations.

It's not like I go to a monthly conservative meeting where they tell my what to think. I used to be heavily against it, but there's just no scientific evidence that it's dangerous in anything but obscenely high amounts. Science is about repeatability; the most often-cited study about aspartame killing rats has never been repeated at anything but highly toxic levels. I'd change my stance in a heartbeat if there was real evidence, and that goes for anything, including GMOs and fluoride.

As for shilling for the government and companies, I just browsed through my old threads and in the first few pages saw posts about Clinton lying in office, America's gun problems, a judge abusing his office, regulating gambling, and yes, others arguing against GMO/chemical fearmongering, silly social issues, and corporate personhood. Look, anything I post is fair game to respond to, but you never use evidence or sources for arguments, you just dismiss what I say with no justification.

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Serious / Re: Most right-wing users on the site?
« on: December 23, 2015, 11:41:40 PM »
Turkey is probably the most conservative. He shills for literally every imaginable big corporation, the government, and harmful chemicals. He denies the dangers of aspartame, flouride, and GMOs completely

That's a weird set of criteria for conservatism.

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Serious / Re: What is the speed of gravity?
« on: December 23, 2015, 11:32:54 PM »
I thought photons were almost totally massless.

So close to zero that they're considered zero.
So couldn't information which is literally massless travel faster than c? Or is there some universal barrier preventing anything from being any more massless than a photon or graviton?

Photons are literally massless in terms of traditional physics. In special relativistic terms you could assign the particle some mass, but it wouldn't be at all the equivalent of mass we normally talk about. That probably didn't clear it up, sorry.

As for information, don't think of it like computers, which use electrons and storage. True information is a basic reaction between particles. So in the example of the sun disappearing, that information would be conveyed by the loss of gravity, light, and heat. For any information to travel faster than c, a particle conveying that information would have to move faster than c.

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Serious / Re: What is the speed of gravity?
« on: December 23, 2015, 11:25:26 PM »
I thought photons were almost totally massless.

In special relativity, photons are assumed to be massless because they only partially behave as particles. Even if they did have mass, their mass would be so astronomically negligible that it would be completely insignificant.

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Serious / Re: What is the speed of gravity?
« on: December 23, 2015, 11:21:34 PM »
Doesn't it depend on the object being dropped? I don't think it's a constant.

I think you're referring to the force of gravity, 9.8 meters per second per second, which is still a constant. The OP is about how fast gravity affects something; for example, if the sun disappeared instantly we'd feel the loss of its gravity at exactly the same time we lose its light.

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Serious / Re: Political compass test (superior version)
« on: December 23, 2015, 11:18:55 PM »

Foreign policy:

Culture:


I usually score much closer to center than in this case.

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Serious / What is the speed of gravity?
« on: December 23, 2015, 11:15:45 PM »
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If the sun disappeared instantly, when would we stop feeling its gravity?
This came up in a discussion with some non-science-type friends, and I thought it'd be interesting to discuss. The short answer is that gravity works at the speed of light. The long answer is that Einstein's Theory of Relativity assumed that gravity propagates at the speed of light (despite having no real way to measure this), so scientists used it until the past decade when astronomers were able to compare gravity distortions from Jupiter and determined that the speed of gravity is within 70%-120% of the speed of light (with the speed of light being the mean answer); it was tantamount to proof that the speed of light and gravity are one and the same.

So what are the consequences or implications of this? Nothing, really. There's no reason establish a connection between light and gravity; i.e., gravity isn't propagated by light. But what we can understand is that the speed of light isn't specific to light, it's actually a universal constant of any massless particle --  basically the speed of light is the absolute limit for any information or interaction in the universe. What else does that mean? If gravity really is a result of an interaction between standard particles and some gravity particle -- the 'graviton' -- then it is completely massless, like a photon.

Competing theories to Relativity are String Theory and Multiverse Theory. In String Theory, there may exist another dimension (not universe, but a spacial dimension) that can (but doesn't typically) propagate gravity at a speed other than c. There's a whole lot more to it than that, but the point is that Relativity isn't the only kid on the block. That being said, String/Multiverse theory is basically math-based theology, and neither are accepted in any scientific field nor is there a unified set of axioms for any variation of those theories.

I hope you learned something, and if there's anything weird you'd like to learn about in the future, post it here.

Further reading:

http://www.universetoday.com/121284/how-fast-is-gravity/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brane

http://www.desy.de/user/projects/Physics/Relativity/GR/grav_speed.html

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Paging Dr. House. . .



Is this the part where Class calls me a government shill and disregards everything I say regardless of evidence?

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The Flood / Re: Star Wars Spoilers (Seriously. Spoilers ahead)
« on: December 23, 2015, 06:09:48 PM »
Ridiculous fan theory

http://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Star-Wars-Force-Awakens-Theory-About-Kylo-Ren-39515387

That theory is dumber than the Jar Jar one. Kylo murdered every living Jedi student so he could kill one guy? K.

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Ted Cruz, Ben Carson or one of their ilk might become president, white supremacist ideology

Yes, these white men must be stopped.

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I'll watch an occasional scary movie, but jump scares and gross-outs aren't my thing.

That said, stuff like Final Destination, Evil Dead, Alien, or Cabin in the Woods is fine with me.

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Serious / Re: Millenials want to send troops, but not fight themselves
« on: December 23, 2015, 09:51:46 AM »
Can they just like a Facebook post instead? That's much easier than actually doing anything.

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The Flood / Re: Should I join the military
« on: December 23, 2015, 09:49:17 AM »
O-life is best life. Don't enlist if you're in college; go officer.

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The Flood / Re: Freindly reminder that Midi-Chlorians are still canon
« on: December 23, 2015, 09:45:31 AM »
It's the fans that ruined midichlorians. In TPM they're just an observable indicator of force sensitivity, and nothing more. It's also more significant when you take into account how wayward the Jedi order was at that point. In RotS Palpatine takes it a bit further but he was probably lying, anyway.

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Serious / Re: 30% of GOP Wants to Bomb Agrabah
« on: December 22, 2015, 11:06:08 PM »
Someone posted an article explaining why this survey was bunk and shouldn't be entertained in any serious thought in Charlie's thread in the flood.
I think it was Turkey.

Nope

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Serious / Re: 30% of GOP Wants to Bomb Agrabah
« on: December 22, 2015, 08:19:16 PM »
Aladdin did nothing wrong, eh?


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The Flood / Re: "So what do you want for Christmas?" "Oh, nothing"
« on: December 22, 2015, 05:06:56 PM »
Shut the fuck up and tell me what you thought of Star Wars.

I thought it was great. Not perfect by far, and a lot of the third act doesn't hold up to scrutiny, but it was a solid sequel and a strong but very subtle soft reboot of the series.

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The Flood / "So what do you want for Christmas?" "Oh, nothing"
« on: December 22, 2015, 03:44:00 PM »
People that do this are literally Hitler.

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I want to see Meta rule Serious with an iron fist and a wall of reference links.

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I'm on my phone but I'd really like to address your post fully. I'll get back to you.
how about now
Sorry, out all night.
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if that's not true, and there really is just zero difference between the two figures, i dunno, i find that irksome
Yeah, it's not a case of there being a negligibly small gap between .9... and 1, it's that they're literally the same thing. It is irksome, and that's why you'll never see it used that way.
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so knowing that, could we not come up with a new series of numbers that, when subtracted with a nonzero terminating decimal, end up with its repeating decimal twin? and we'll call it "W" or something

1 - W = .9...
In any model using real numbers, W couldn't be anything but zero. In other number systems like those involving surreal numbers, which don't have much real-world application except in modeling and analysis, you can model a series of values that are nonzero but are infinitesimally small. Frankly I really suck at theoretical math so I can't talk about it authoritatively).

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The Flood / Re: Star Wars Spoilers (Seriously. Spoilers ahead)
« on: December 21, 2015, 11:43:13 PM »
Also, is there any idea if those five planets destroyed by Starkiller were important, or were they just a demonstration target?
No clue

The main complaint with that movie (I loved it) was the lack of exposition. I hope episode 8 explains a few things. The strength of the Alliance, the New Order, the planets, and various other things.

Seriously, it lacked that, but I can see why since this movie was basically establishing a lot of things

Well the OT never discussed any of that, either, and the exposition they had (every conversation between Han and Leia was pure exposition) was pretty forced.

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The Flood / Re: Star Wars Spoilers (Seriously. Spoilers ahead)
« on: December 21, 2015, 11:37:17 PM »
VII wasn't even A New Hope 2.0, it was OT 2.0; it had many elements from the whole trilogy. ANH was itself a pretty standard hero's journey story, so it's not hard to see repeated elements in the Star Wars universe.

Also, is there any idea if those five planets destroyed by Starkiller were important, or were they just a demonstration target?

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Gaming / Re: What new heroes from TFA should Battlefront get (TFA spoilers)
« on: December 21, 2015, 05:33:47 PM »
Kylo Ren, and give him an ability where he can stop blaster shots in midair

Can we just stop for a second and talk about how fucking cool that was?  I really liked how JJ handled the Force in the movie.

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The Flood / Re: Star Wars Spoilers (Seriously. Spoilers ahead)
« on: December 21, 2015, 05:31:53 PM »
Anybody else hate the guy playing Ben? I just find him to be a more ugly Anakin.

Adam Driver nailed the part, though. It's exactly how Anakin should've been portrayed.

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I'm on my phone but I'd really like to address your post fully. I'll get back to you.

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Neat paradox

Easily debunked though.

Using Google

You shouldn't need Google to know that reducing the mass of something by 1% doesn't magically reduce it 50%.

Oh I thought you meant the X=1 thing

The OP isn't a paradox lol

See: Potato Paradox

The x=1=.99... thing is basic calculus.

What calculus do you need to do to work it out?

It's an example of the use of limits.

Limits isn't calc

And he isn't using it to find a limit

Limits is one of the first things you learn in calc. Why are you even arguing that?

Because I learned it in Algebra II

We did some limits review at the beginning of calc but it wasn't anything I hadn't learned before
Okay, so you learned the fundamentals of calculus in algebra. This is a dumb conversation.

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Neat paradox

Easily debunked though.

Using Google

You shouldn't need Google to know that reducing the mass of something by 1% doesn't magically reduce it 50%.

Oh I thought you meant the X=1 thing

The OP isn't a paradox lol

See: Potato Paradox

The x=1=.99... thing is basic calculus.

What calculus do you need to do to work it out?

It's an example of the use of limits.

Limits isn't calc

And he isn't using it to find a limit

Limits is one of the first things you learn in calc. Why are you even arguing that?

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Neat paradox

Easily debunked though.

Using Google

You shouldn't need Google to know that reducing the mass of something by 1% doesn't magically reduce it 50%.

Oh I thought you meant the X=1 thing

The OP isn't a paradox lol

See: Potato Paradox

The x=1=.99... thing is basic calculus.

What calculus do you need to do to work it out?

It's an example of the use of limits.

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