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Serious / Re: Verb was right
« on: March 24, 2016, 04:53:17 PM »
You're also in shock right now, which isn't a good time to make significant changes to your worldview.

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Serious / Re: Verb was right
« on: March 24, 2016, 04:49:48 PM »
I'm advocating not imposing the possibility (and likelihood) of significant suffering on a sentient being.
Yeah, you're saying that you believe those lives aren't worth living because of suffering. You're removing their agency. It's fucked up. By supporting anti-natalism, you're deciding that nobody's life was worth living for them.
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I'm also slightly irked by your hypocrisy, given your vocal support for Tsarnaev to get the chair.
It's not hypocrisy. I would never wish he hadn't been born. That's an infinitely more significant moral statement than seeing death as a fitting punishment for terrible crimes. I'm also pretty impartial to his punishment, and advocate the death penalty as a more humane alternative to imprisonment in isolation.

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Serious / Re: Verb was right
« on: March 24, 2016, 04:29:26 PM »
It's pretty fucked up of you to decide that someone else's life wasn't worth living.

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The Flood / Re: Polyamorous relationships are fucking retarded
« on: March 24, 2016, 10:25:52 AM »
Fine for consenting adults, bad for raising kids. Probably not a healthy long-term option, though.

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The Flood / Re: Batman V Superman isn't getting great reviews
« on: March 23, 2016, 10:24:22 PM »
Snyder's art direction on point but has no subsistence

Compare it to Tim Burton's version of Gotham, which is (literally) dripping with character but is goofy as fuck. Nolan's was decent, despite being bland.

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The Flood / Re: Batman V Superman isn't getting great reviews
« on: March 23, 2016, 10:09:11 PM »
So apparently
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Superman legit dies and that motivates Bats & WW to start the JL

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He comes back to life, though.
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Gaming / Re: Question about Dark Souls 3
« on: March 23, 2016, 09:19:18 PM »
Sorcery is usually pretty easy at the beginning of the game, before any enemies are resistant to magic or are programmed to dodge.

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The Flood / Re: Batman V Superman isn't getting great reviews
« on: March 23, 2016, 05:49:46 PM »
So apparently
(major plot spoiler)
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Major spoilers
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Don't click this one
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Superman legit dies and that motivates Bats & WW to start the JL

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The Flood / Re: bunny raven (is a meme) vs. judge judy hopps
« on: March 23, 2016, 11:15:35 AM »
judy hemps b/c police officers are trained in lethal armed forces to shoot people with guns
but do u ever see her with a gun in poozopia?
wasnt the carrot thing a gun??

It was an audio recorder, bruh

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The Flood / Re: Batman V Superman isn't getting great reviews
« on: March 23, 2016, 10:32:42 AM »
Chris Stuckmann: C+

Not that it matters though. It's still going to make a ton of money and the DCU will chug along as planned.

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I also respect the Orthodox Church's claims to legitimacy, although I am more skeptical about it than most converts probably are. I am also very supportive of the use of tradition (big T and small t tradition) as a guide when interpreting and practicing Christianity.

This is actually the reason I didn't convert to Orthodoxy. Their claim that they're the historical True Church is indefensible, and the extreme amount of tradition (AKA unwritten, unbiblical hearsay) is exactly what turned Catholicism into some weird pseudo-Christian religion. I really respect Orthodoxy for their focus on providing a reverent, traditional experience, but their exclusivity isn't justified.

I've actually stopped going to church since I've moved to the South, because it's either fire-and-brimstone Baptists or barely-Christian non-denominational rock bands and motivational speaking.

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The Flood / Re: Batman V Superman isn't getting great reviews
« on: March 23, 2016, 09:24:54 AM »
I think DC and WB needs to just pack it in at this point. They clearly have no clue how establish a variety of different characters in a shared cinematic universe. Seems like they're only concern is to play desperate catch up with Marvel by flinging whatever characters they can at the screen without giving them a second thought if it means getting a JL movie processed quicker.

This. I think one of their biggest mistakes in establishing their universe was to separate TV from film...they've spent years establishing dozens of characters including several Justice League members (Flash, Arrow, Atom, sidekicks, etc), but none of that will be used in the films because Zach Snyder likes gritty emo shit.

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The Flood / Re: Post the cover of the book you're reading
« on: March 22, 2016, 08:21:51 PM »

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Does anyone actually believe those organizations are solely motivated by Western ideology? Isn't that just some neocon redneck rhetoric? They wage war on coalition forces and execute gay people for the same reason we wage war on them and lock up murderers at home: they/we believe they're morally wrong.

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but I still think there's something deeply wrong with the government coopting (and continuing) the sale of drugs as awful as cocaine and heroin.
On the one hand, I agree, and support a strict and non-commercial form of regulation. Having the government sell heroin to people isn't something that sits well with most people.

On the other hand, I use cocaine irregularly. When drugs like coke and meth are mostly harmful to the users themselves, I'm not sure what mandate I have to strictly regulate the consumption of such drugs assuming the social harm is adequately dealt with (and, lets be honest, it's nothing compared to alcohol). On what basis do I and other "regulationists" restrict the distribution and use of such drugs? Even if they are not sold by the government, does the government still have the right to say "No, you cannot use this substance". Restricting the use of materials which could make weaponry is one thing, but restricting goods used for personal consumption is wholly another. There's a significant internal inconsistency here.

I'm not sure it's inconsistent. The government has an obligation to protect its citizenry, and in the case of drug use it's twofold: protecting the user, and protecting those around him/her. Cocaine's not a good example, because it's roughly as toxic as alcohol, but without trying to move the goalposts here I think the discussion is more general than a definitive list of what's okay or not.

Does the government have the right to control production of a drug and then tell the citizenry they don't have a right to use it? Absolutely. The pharmaceutical business is built on this principle. The same can be said for GPS, for example.

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When I say it, I mean the government not punishing people for possessing drugs and taking the production and distribution of hard drugs away from non-government actors.

That's fine, but I still think there's something deeply wrong with the government coopting (and continuing) the sale of drugs as awful as cocaine and heroin. I consider cartels to be very immoral, but at least they're not acting under the guise of protecting citizens.

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But even if we maintain the illegality of non-governmental production and distribution of drugs like cocaine and heroin, it doesn't follow that the appropriate response is to also gaol those purchasing it from these underground producers and distributors.

So what's the answer? Why not look at what the Swiss or the Dutch do? There's no reason making cocaine and heroin legal means it must be sold openly; the Dutch, for instance, allow heroin users to inject the drug with sterile needles in supervised, government-run consumption sites. This is a lot better than throwing addicts in prison.
It's kind of frustrating that you two are still attacking this strawman about incarcerating drug addicts, which I've already denied supporting.
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And if the government were to openly produce and distribute hard drugs, what do you think would happen to their street prices? Demand would collapse.
Demand for cartel-supplied drugs, you mean? Literally the only model of legalization I believe is acceptable is one operated solely by government-run producers with no possibility for that money to leave the country, but that's incredibly unlikely to happen. And assuming it did happen, there's a need for a moral discussion about the government controlling access to a cripplingly addictive substance.

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The Flood / Re: Best Western?
« on: March 22, 2016, 05:40:59 PM »
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (or the entire Man With No Name trilogy)
True Grit (remake and original)
The Outlaw Josey Wales
Once Upon a Time In the West
Hateful Eight

To name a few.

Is the h8ful 8 even worth watching or is it just Quinton making another meme movie? Like all I literally unironically know about it is that it takes place during the winter in a bar.

It's really good. A masterpiece of cinematography and character-acting.
It's not just anti-white propaganda like Django was, is it?

YouTube

Oh
See, that's okay because it's just comedic rape happening to a white male by a minority male.

Sam Jackson's character is an asshole and gets what's coming to him (spoilers), but it's likely he just made the story up to torment the old guy.

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Having the government regulate production, distribution and consumption not only pulls the rug out from under the cartels, but is a fuck-tonne better in terms of reducing personal and societal harm from drug abuse.

There's no way in hell the FDA would allow drugs like cocaine or heroine to be sold freely; they'd have to be such vastly different products that it would be tantamount to prohibiting the drugs altogether. At the level of regulation requires to make those drugs "safe" enough to consume, there'd be no reason for cartels to not just continue black market sales.

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The Flood / Re: Best Western?
« on: March 22, 2016, 05:33:14 PM »
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (or the entire Man With No Name trilogy)
True Grit (remake and original)
The Outlaw Josey Wales
Once Upon a Time In the West
Hateful Eight

To name a few.

Is the h8ful 8 even worth watching or is it just Quinton making another meme movie? Like all I literally unironically know about it is that it takes place during the winter in a bar.

It's really good. A masterpiece of cinematography and character-acting.
It's not just anti-white propaganda like Django was, is it?

YouTube

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Legalization does nothing but legitimize cartels and make it easier for them to sell drugs.
So? What, they can't be regulated?

No, they can't, because they operate outside of the country and are supported largely by puppet regimes in impoverished South American countries.

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I don't know what else I'm meant to infer from that, but okay, I'll ask you--what did you mean by that?

Prevent cartels from conducting business within our borders. Addicts should be required to get treatment, dealers should face criminal charges, etc. The incredibly stringent rules regarding possession of small amounts need to be abolished. Legalization does nothing but legitimize cartels and make it easier for them to sell drugs.

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The Flood / Re: Best Western?
« on: March 22, 2016, 05:14:18 PM »
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (or the entire Man With No Name trilogy)
True Grit (remake and original)
The Outlaw Josey Wales
Once Upon a Time In the West
Hateful Eight

To name a few.

Is the h8ful 8 even worth watching or is it just Quinton making another meme movie? Like all I literally unironically know about it is that it takes place during the winter in a bar.

It's really good. A masterpiece of cinematography and character-acting.

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your response is to throw them in prison
It isn't.

Preventing cartels from conducting business within our borders isn't at all the same as throwing drug addicts in jail.
Are you rescinding your stated position on the drug war?
All you did was make up what you thought my position is. You didn't even ask what I think.

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If some junkie loser fuckhead idiot is addicted to some shit, your response is to throw them in prison--why? What exactly does that accomplish?

Nothing.

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The Flood / Re: Best Western?
« on: March 22, 2016, 04:58:34 PM »
Fuck, completely forgot about The Revenant.

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Gaming / Re: Need a casual game to play
« on: March 22, 2016, 04:56:45 PM »
Dark Souls. No grinding.
Already done multiple playthroughs on DkS1, 2, & BB.

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Serious / Re: Do you disagree with scientific consensus on anything?
« on: March 22, 2016, 04:54:34 PM »
String theory is just mathematical theology. It's very little more than a hypothesis.

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tbh I think the war on drugs would be a lot more effective if resources weren't so heavily focused on soft drugs like marijuana. Cocaine, heroine, and similar drugs absolutely should be forcibly prohibited from the country.

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