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The Flood / Re: Why didn't they just let Kylo track Luke down in TFA?
« on: March 29, 2016, 05:29:44 AM »
How would Luke have defended himself from Starkiller Base? He had no clue it existed.

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Serious / Do you feel like you owe YouTube vloggers anything?
« on: March 27, 2016, 07:07:15 PM »
I've been checking out some relatively new YouTube vloggers (not really the right word but I can't think of what to say...'people that run YouTube channels'), and pretty much all of them ask for Patreon donations (or some other method), and typically avoid ads (though some have them, or do a sponsored bit of advertising at the end of their video). So my question is, do you feel that you owe these people some sort of compensation for their content? I wouldn't hesitate to say that disabling ads on people like this is tantamount to theft, but if they ask for support through something like Patreon, at what point do you feel morally (not legally or otherwise) obligated to contribute something?


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I bet he also fucked your mom.

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The Flood / Re: Dear Verbatim
« on: March 27, 2016, 06:28:23 PM »
Verbatim hasn't been naked since 2009

He probably wears swim trunks in the shower.

For the man with nothing to hide...but still wants to.

YouTube

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Serious / The Costs of Mass Deportation
« on: March 27, 2016, 06:25:35 PM »
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-costs-of-mass-deportation-1458342018

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Donald Trump and Ted Cruz say they’d deport all of the 11.3 million or so undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. They don’t say how they would pull off this forced human exodus. But new research shows that executing on this promise would require at least $400 billion in new federal spending and reduce U.S. GDP by about $1 trillion.

A study released this month by the American Action Forum, a free-market think tank led by economist Doug Holtz-Eakin, walks through the process of evicting 11 million people over two years, a time frame Mr. Trump has floated. The report assumes that about 20% of those here illegally would leave voluntarily once the roundups begin. But that still leaves about nine million to find and deport.

This can’t be done with the snap of one’s fingers. In practice and under the law it requires four steps: finding and apprehending individuals, detaining them while they await due process, moving them through the courts, and then transporting them to their home countries.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement can now remove at most 400,000 undocumented immigrants a year, most of whom are turned over to the feds by local police after, say, a traffic stop. Ramping up that goal to millions would require 90,000 federal agents, up from today’s 4,000, the study finds. That number would be even higher if the feds conduct most of the raids instead of relying on local law enforcement that lacks the resources for mass sweeps.

After the roundups, where would the arrested millions await their hearings? The feds currently operate about 250 detention facilities with 34,000 beds, and a mere 58 immigration courts. The average detention time is 28.7 days. To keep that same detention time, the report says a two-year deportation plan would require some 348,831 beds, as well as more than 1,300 courts and about 30,000 more federal attorneys. The effort would be a full-employment act for lawyers, and no doubt the House Freedom Caucus would be overjoyed to pay for all of those new federal employees.

Then there’s the task of sending migrants back to their native countries. Only about half of the 11.3 million hail from nearby Mexico, so the U.S. would have to fly millions to Central America, Asia and elsewhere. The report found that the effort would demand the departure, on average, of 84 buses and 47 chartered flights every day for two years. Is the Trump 757 available?

The most important cost, however, would be the blow to the economy from disrupting such a huge chunk of the American workforce. About eight million undocumented immigrants are employed in some way, and the report estimates that deporting them all in two years would shrink the U.S. labor force by 6.4%. That’s a lot of suddenly unfilled jobs. The report estimates that GDP would shrink by 5.7%, not far from the 6.3% decline from the 2008 recession. The new Administration would certainly be off to a rip-roaring start.

Defenders of deportation say state and local governments would save tens of millions on social services for illegals, but that would pale next to the economic and human costs. All of this suggests that deportation would be one more campaign promise that fails once it hits the, er, wall of reality.

tl;dr
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To deport all 11.3 million illegal immigrants, it'd cost:
>$400 billion in additional spending
Reduce GDP by ~$1 trillion
Reduce labor force by 6.4%

Just a reminder that Trump isn't a conservative, and Cruz is a regressive shithead. If you're a republican (or democrat) that supports mass deportation over a path to citizenship, you're wrong.

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That worked so great for Iraq under Paul Bremer.

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The Flood / Re: Cheap alternative to an iPod?
« on: March 27, 2016, 02:12:30 PM »
It's crazy that Apple doesn't sell the iPod Classic anymore.

Or anything similar with storage space above 32GB. I cannot comprehend why they discontinued them.

To force you to buy more expensive iPhones and use their streaming service.

Yeah, can't find an iPod Classic for anything less than $400.
How much are you looking to spend? There's an 80Gb on eBay for $120.

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The Flood / Re: Cheap alternative to an iPod?
« on: March 27, 2016, 01:58:32 PM »
It's crazy that Apple doesn't sell the iPod Classic anymore. I second Solonoid's post about getting a used one at Gamestop, or even a Zune. You can look on eBay if you're fine with a bit of hassle.

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The Flood / Re: Game of Thrones: Reddit and 4Chan predicted...
« on: March 27, 2016, 09:19:44 AM »
Probably one of the dumbest theories so far.

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The Flood / Re: Nice Marvel shilling sperglords
« on: March 26, 2016, 10:51:12 PM »
6/10 tbh
Spoiler
Zack Snyder is a terrible director, and it's his jarring transitions and pace that really make the story a mess. Everything related to Batman, even his killing, was great. Henry Cavill continues to be a bland Superman and Clark Kent, but the movie wasn't really about him. Lois Lane was completely superfluous. Jesse Eisenberg as Lex really wasn't bad except for a few of his weird ticks. I really liked a fresh take on the character instead of the typical "big, tall, laughably evil guy"; his motivations and character felt real, sympathetic, and believable. Doomsday was a mess and shouldn't have been in the movie. Gal Gadot as WW is a weird casting choice, but she's fine, if incredibly underutilized in the movie. Not crazy about using bait-and-switch of Superman's death twice in about 20 minutes, and it would've been really interesting for him to stay dead, for a while.

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At a nice sit-down restaurant it's kind of odd. Going to a movie alone is pretty great though.

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The Flood / Re: Exactly how will Trump make America great again?
« on: March 26, 2016, 11:07:21 AM »
He just will. Your silly hippy liberal brain just can't understand his tremendous business savvy.

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The Flood / Re: How would you fix the current state of the DCCU?
« on: March 25, 2016, 08:57:58 PM »
Fire ZS, stop rebooting characters and making separate universes, don't rush to release Justice League, and don't worry about origin stories for heroes everybody already knows about.

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The Flood / Re: any rick and morty fans here?
« on: March 25, 2016, 08:49:34 PM »
Sounds like OP got schwifty

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The Flood / Re: Batman vs Superman was fucking horrific.
« on: March 25, 2016, 08:22:41 PM »
"So DC, how do you want your cinematic universe?"

-MoS/BvS exist in a separate DCCU from the shows
-Suicide Squad exists separately from MoS/BvS
-Arrow, Flash, HoT, and Supergirl coexist, but they have their own version of Superman and the Suicide Squad

"Just fuck me up, fam"

Zack Snyder fired, when?

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Serious / Re: Meta-analysis of research into GMO safety
« on: March 25, 2016, 08:14:30 PM »
What do you think about the rebuttal, Turkey? This is not an issue I'm particulary engaged with, so I doubt my opinion will be worth much. From what I've heard, I'd definitely say that GMO's can be of great use to us and that the ethical concerns don't hold that much weight, but it does seem that there may be significant risks to them for both the humans who consume them and potentially the environment too.

I haven't read through it in its entirety, truthfully. From what I've read of it so far, it consists of a lot of claims that the analysis wasn't scientific or broad enough in scope, and not, as would be preferred, an opposing meta-analysis.

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The Flood / Re: Batman vs Superman was fucking horrific.
« on: March 25, 2016, 05:23:51 PM »
he's not unbeatable, wtf? in this particular movie maybe that argument has some merit but there are tons of examples throughout history of batman's vulnerability.

That's precisely why Bats vs. Supes fights feel super contrived and silly.

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The Flood / Re: Batman vs Superman was fucking horrific.
« on: March 25, 2016, 05:11:10 PM »
Exactly. So this idea that the common man thinking the idea is stupid is not entirely baseless. It is stupid.

Yeah, I tend to agree, and IMO it devalues Batman as an interesting hero for having no powers by making him basically unbeatable.

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The Flood / Re: Batman vs Superman was fucking horrific.
« on: March 25, 2016, 05:03:40 PM »
clearly dont understand batman or precedent for conflicts like this in other media.

It is a dumb idea because there isn't a single scenario where Batman could feasibly beat Superman in a fair fight. There aren't many, or any canon (iirc) fights where Batman actually defeats Superman.

Pretty much any of those fights also include the caveat that Superman holds back to prevent killing him, and some iterations have begun scaling back Superman's powers.

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The Flood / Re: New AI destroys professional Go Players
« on: March 25, 2016, 05:01:49 PM »
Not an AI, but neat.

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The Flood / Trump's wall won't protect us from the real threat
« on: March 24, 2016, 09:25:28 PM »


Anime.


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Serious / Re: Fuck off
« on: March 24, 2016, 07:05:35 PM »
STOP PUSHING YOUR AGENDA ON ME

Can we kiss and make up?  :-*

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Serious / Re: Fuck off
« on: March 24, 2016, 07:04:20 PM »
etc.

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Gaming / Re: Alright fellas, Friday is Halo 3 day
« on: March 24, 2016, 06:53:45 PM »
MCC?

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Serious / Meta-analysis of research into GMO safety
« on: March 24, 2016, 06:45:59 PM »
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/07388551.2013.823595

Abstract:

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The technology to produce genetically engineered (GE) plants is celebrating its 30th anniversary and one of the major achievements has been the development of GE crops. The safety of GE crops is crucial for their adoption and has been the object of intense research work often ignored in the public debate. We have reviewed the scientific literature on GE crop safety during the last 10 years, built a classified and manageable list of scientific papers, and analyzed the distribution and composition of the published literature. We selected original research papers, reviews, relevant opinions and reports addressing all the major issues that emerged in the debate on GE crops, trying to catch the scientific consensus that has matured since GE plants became widely cultivated worldwide. The scientific research conducted so far has not detected any significant hazards directly connected with the use of GE crops; however, the debate is still intense. An improvement in the efficacy of scientific communication could have a significant impact on the future of agricultural GE. Our collection of scientific records is available to researchers, communicators and teachers at all levels to help create an informed, balanced public perception on the important issue of GE use in agriculture.
A portion of the conclusion section:
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In the EU, the regulatory burdens for GE crop approval are extremely heavy (Kalaitzandonakes et al., 2007), de facto excluding the public sector and minor crops from the development of GE technology. As a result, the number of experimental releases of GE crops is rapidly decreasing (Löchte, 2012) and even large companies are abandoning GE (Dixelius et al., 2012; Laursen, 2012). This scenario is the result of the interaction of complex sociological and psychological factors, risk/benefit ratios, political aspects and an unbalanced scientific communication.
All these factors have to be considered globally and taken into account in a constructive debate on whether the GE crops represent a strategic resource for the future. An improvement in the efficacy of the scientific communication to stakeholders, as clearly demonstrated in the case of the recent case of GE wheat field trials in the UK (Löchte, 2012), could have a significant impact on the future of agricultural GE.
We believe that genetic engineering and GE crops should be considered important options in the efforts toward sustainable agricultural production. Our collection of scientific records is available to researchers, communicators and teachers at all levels to help create an informed and balanced public perception on the hot issue of GE use in agriculture.
There's a lot of good data in this, and I encourage you to sift through some of it.

A rebuttal:

http://earthopensource.org/gmomythsandtruths/sample-page/2-science-regulation/136-2/

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Serious / Re: North Carolina bars anti-discriminatory ordinances.
« on: March 24, 2016, 05:59:52 PM »
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overstep their authority in a way that might allow “a man to use a woman’s bathroom, shower or locker room.”

A nightmare scenario for old white republicans, apparently.

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Serious / Re: Verb was right
« on: March 24, 2016, 05:30:19 PM »
Honestly I'm not concerned about your philosophy; obviously we disagree on several other things too. It's worrying to see you making any change; I'd be saying the same thing if you suddenly decided to convert to Christianity.

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Serious / Re: Verb was right
« on: March 24, 2016, 05:19:32 PM »
Let me be clear.

I do not judge people who have children. How can I? It'd be like judging a lion for eating a gazelle. I'm not trying to tell others that they should feel they were better off never having been born. I'm not going to impose my own valuation of life on other people like that. My point is that, now, for me, the decision to not have children has a moral dimension. I don't feel that I can act in a way which is commensurate with my moral beliefs, while exposing a life to the potential of suffering in the same way I have in the past, the way my friend will in the near future, and the way his family inevitably will.

I, personally, do not think I could feel comfortable exposing a person to even the risk of that. It's a judgement call, and a decision I am trying to make really only for myself. If that wasn't clear, I apologise, but this is my point.

I'm on my phone right now so my replies are going to be brief, but I think someone like you would be a fantastic parent, even knowing that your kids will feel pain. I believe every parent should think long and hard about what kind of life they'd be giving their kids. If you've decided that what you couldn't give them is worth it, that's your choice, but I think everyone on this site would tell you otherwise.

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Serious / Re: Verb was right
« on: March 24, 2016, 05:06:16 PM »
I and many others, including yourself, have had this discussion at length. Get some sleep, eat a meal, let's talk about it in a week.

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Serious / Re: Verb was right
« on: March 24, 2016, 04:59:36 PM »
you might as well just use the word "objectively," you philosophical neophyte

Fuck off. His friend had a psychological breakdown and he's likely in shock and you're using it to push your nonsensical philosophy. Encouraging destructive behavior and radical changes in ideology during times like this is beyond reprehensible. This isn't even a discussion of the value of antinatalism.

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