Acrylamide is in so many different foods, both meat and vegetables. They'll have to ban half of what people generally eat if they're so concerned with it.

Quote from: Aether on June 18, 2017, 08:08:51 PM

What, nostalgia? Sure.

Not nostalgia. I was actually disoriented for around 10 seconds and couldn't remember where I was.

So you're saying you literally felt like you were back in your childhood and couldn't remember where you were or what time it was? That's fuckin weird.

Well like yeah sure, but like not really, I mean maybe I guess so.

I'm more of a listener than a talker.

i don't know why you would take it so literally

Well it just seems a bit disingenuous to say you would cope with stress only by yourself when you have no problem admitting to using external pleasure stimuli.

You're very strict with your values, it's not that much of a stretch for someone to believe that you mean literally what you say at times.

I would've gone for something more along the lines of, "I would use my hobbies and passions to cope, not drugs."

Quote from: Aether on June 16, 2017, 05:57:15 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 16, 2017, 05:29:50 PM

alternatively, i hope my life goes to complete and utter shit within the next few years

give me the shittiest and most miserably depressing life possible, and make it last for 20 or 30 years

i'll STILL have the strength to never use drugs, or alcohol, or any fucking thing to help me cope but myself

Wait you don't use any external stimuli for pleasure to help you cope with stress? Video games, movies, food, exercise etc?

to compare any of these things to recreational drug abuse whatsoever is so beyond retarded, and i'm sick to death of having to draw this basic distinction for people

the dopamine/serotonin released as a result of harmless activities like video games, movies, food, exercise, and other productive entertainments is not an illegitimate form of release

the happiness and comfort you achieve through these activities is earned, because you're doing something good and worthwhile

with drugs, you are forcing yourself into a state of pleasure that you did not earn or deserve—you didn't make someone's day better, you never gave someone a hug, you never asked how someone's day was, you never listened to a good story with a good payoff and/or lesson, you never accomplished any meaningful task—so why in the fuck do you deserve to feel happy

and if you're the sort of person who does both, then that's stupid too—the natural high you achieve through being a good and productive person should be MORE than enough for you

I'm not concerned with your feelings on the difference between drugs and other pleasure stimuli as they're pretty easy to read.

You seemed to imply that you only use yourself to cope, which would exclude external pleasure stimuli. That is what I'm inquiring about.

If only everyone with any amount of influence wasn't actively contributing to greater polarization.

More politically motivated violence is inevitable at this point.

the only thing bungie cares about is money

That would be Activision, which has utterly infected Bungie with its plague.

At this point I'm not even sure if I consider them to really be Bungie anymore. Maybe a soulless husk that has had all manner of heart and spirit sucked out of it by gaming industry vampires.

oh look another face how typical

nicotine is garbage

Oh you're fine but I miss the purple.

Just remember; it's naught uh tombuh.

EDIT: btw this is my friend posting this thread. He's staying over and is too lazy to make an account.

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Quote from: Aether on June 06, 2017, 04:05:13 PM

Quote from: Annie on June 06, 2017, 11:59:07 AM

You state your opinion as if it's fact - it's not.

You THINK good and evil are subjective, and they aren't. They're objective. As long as a universe exists that can create suffering-capable life, morality is fixed.

The last point I made, that all phenomena are interdependent, is not an opinion. It is the truth. Nothing that ever comes into being can exist without the conditions that manifest it.

That concepts are subjective is axiomatic. They don't exist outside of our subjective conceptualization. It is that conceptualization that creates them. That is why they are called concepts.

What you seem to be stating is that morality is more than a concept. Which is not how society defines it. You can choose to define morality this way but it does not align with the general definition of what morality is. You say that morality is suffering, but society defines morality as principles that are based on the meaning derived from suffering.

And society is wrong. Morality isn't a concept, it's a law. No different than gravity or conservation of matter.

You can't prove this to be an absolute truth. None of the examples you've given have done so.

It doesn't matter to me in the end, picking apart your perspective was interesting at least.

Quote from: Aether on June 06, 2017, 07:36:16 AM

Quote from: Annie on June 06, 2017, 07:12:52 AM

Quote from: Aether on June 06, 2017, 06:54:16 AM

Yes but morality is not suffering, it's based on the meaning we derive from suffering.

Wrong. Morality is suffering. It doesn't matter if something is around to know that, it still is.

Look at my lion example above. Or if you'd prefer an analogy, think of a tree falling in a forest with no one around to hear it - it still makes a sound.

You have a very strange definition of morality. It doesn't make any logical sense to me, and it certainly doesn't align with what society axiomatically understands morality to be. How can morality just be suffering? Do you suffer by living a moral life? If morality is composed of good and evil, then would you say that good is suffering?

 How is morality simply the pain we experience and not the meaning derived from that pain?

We already have a concept to define the pain we experience, which is suffering. Whether or not something is good or evil is an entirely different concept that is interdependent with suffering.

Any actual definition you can find of morality essentially states that it is the principles we use to define and distinguish good and evil. Nothing about the concept, as it is self-evidently defined by society, can be reduced to just the phenomenon of suffering.

And your definition is just as baffling. Suffering is a net bad, whether that be physical suffering or emotional. Any person with a modicum of logic could tell you that. Why on earth would suffering stop being bad just because that person isn't around to say so anymore? It's still bad, a gazelle being eaten alive is still in constant pain. If a schitzophrenic who has no external awareness shoots up a mall because he thinks everyone in the mall are Russian soldiers who are trying to kill him, did he shoot up the mall in self-defense? No, he mass murdered the people there - what he did was still evil, even if he couldn't come close to comprehening that.

Perhaps it's hard to understand this but the idea of good and evil is ultimately subjective. It is an interpretation of the meaning derived from suffering. A reality without sentience is one that has no concept of good and evil.

All phenomena, including suffering, are merely the result of conditioning. Everything does as it is conditioned to do. This is simple cause and effect, action and reaction. Meaning has no inherent stake in this process, it is just a product of our perception of that process.

Don't take this as some warped justification for a person to do anything that they want. To be a condition of suffering without having to bear the burden of responsibility that comes with it.

Undoubtedly, if you are a condition of suffering then you will suffer yourself. You can never be free from suffering unless you yourself are not a condition of it. You don't have to understand morality to be an inherent part of reality to have the wisdom to follow a path that leads to freedom from suffering. No phenomena within the realm of duality exist inherently, everything is interdependent apart from the one truth that supersedes all others, and which all other truths are rooted in.

I can't force you to see things the way I do, and I don't necessarily have a desire too, but at least try to understand that last part as it becomes the basis for understanding all other ideas with greater clarity.