Quote from: Verbatim on April 08, 2017, 12:39:57 PM

Quote from: challengerX on April 08, 2017, 12:35:24 PM

This is actually something I haven't thought of. Technically renting is worse than piracy.

But not in the least.

Why not?

I already explained above. Retailers are legally permitted to provide paid rental services.

Morally, why should I not be able to try out a game--or any product--before committing to a purchase?

It's consumer protection, if anything.

Is the justification in the scale of the distribution, i.e., one purchased copy may be pirated thousands of times, whereas a single rental disc may only be used a handful of times? At that point, when does rental becoming piracy -- 20 times, 50, 100, etc.? What if a user buys a game, uploads it, and it's only downloaded once?

It never does, because it's still just one copy. 7 billion people could use that copy and it wouldn't be piracy, especially if it was paid for 7 billion times. Hyper-generalized example, but I think you know what I'm saying.

"What if a user buys a game, uploads it, and it's only downloaded once?"

Then that's an illegally reproduced copy, as I discussed earlier. Bad.

Quote from: Töqi on April 08, 2017, 10:49:38 AM

because that person never intended to buy the game in the first place, therefore no sale was lost. Regardless of how dubious and absurd that premise is

Why is that such an absurd premise? It holds true for pretty much everything I end up downloading.

Because it rather blithely misses the point, and that because "loss of sales" is not the more pertinent issue.

You don't have the right, ethically, to use any good or service that was intended to be paid for, if you indeed chose not to pay for it. It doesn't matter how you personally feel about that--whether you personally intend to pay for the product is irrelevant. You have to, regardless of how you feel.

But you don't pay to play it; the publishers (and developers) get nothing from rentals or used sales. If you feel this way, how would you respond to my question about paying a nominal fee for a pirated copy? And at that point, how are rentals and used sales not worse than pirating, since those retailers get profit from selling the game, whereas people that upload copies of games make no money at all?

Retail is a business, and like all business, you need a license to legally conduct it. I imagine this also applies to manufacturers. Does anyone have the right, ethical or legal, to "manufacture" (upload) copies of game software (because every download is essentially a new copy produced) and distribute them for free without any sort of licensing agreement? I don't think so--and if they do, they shouldn't.

Like I said before--I'm okay if the pub and devs don't make a profit as long as someone's palms are crossed with silver for the one copy, legally. The original copy was already paid for, just as Psy said, and now it's just trading hands, which is perfectly fine. Producing multiple copies without permit is probably the bigger issue.

I look at it in a much simpler manner tbh

If you buy a game, you paid to play it.
If you rent a game, you paid to play it for a short time.
If you buy a used game, you still paid to play it but someone else paid to play it first.

If you steal it, you are paying nothing to play it and you are a god damn thieving dindu who deserves the gibbet rather than gibs.

I personally like the ''''b-b-b-b-b-b-ut i'm trying it out to see if i like it/can run it abubububub''''
Steam has done refunds for a while now, there is no excuse.

This 100%, it really is that simple in my mind as well.

Demos also exist, as well as SystemRequirementsLab.com.

Forgot I made this thread lmao

lay off the alcohol

Quote from: Verbatim on April 07, 2017, 10:56:45 PM

1 & 2 might actually be playable if they weren't isometric vomit

i would treat them like different games given the gameplay

obviously the people who enjoyed 1 and 2 and whatever else in between were expecting something different from 3

oh i know, i just can't stand that aesthetic, it's so ugly and disorienting

like, hitting D, expecting to go diagonally upward, but i go diagonally downward instead

my favorite

but yeah no for real, this is exactly what i'm talking about

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"Verb, you're generalizing, I'm a Fallout fan and I'm super cool!"

i'm just waiting

i'm JUST waiting

is their any fan community that isnt though

It's a spectrum. Not only are some communities more insufferable than others, they can also be insufferable in many different ways. Fallout fanboys are of the whiny elitist variety--they tend to go hand-in-hand with PC elitism and other cancerous shit.

Don't let the demons in

that is a really nice theme you got going there

i like that color

There was a time when I thought Fallout 3 was bad, and everyone and their mother gave me shit for it.

Having beaten it several years later, I can honestly say that I enjoyed it quite thoroughly.

Then, all those people who gave me shit for not liking it before suddenly decided that they hate the game now.

That's my life in a nutshell.

still more appetizing than pineapple

was 2 nukes not enough?

in 2010+5+2, it should be common knowledge that even 10 nukes wouldn't have been enough