Your actual fun things require the same energy as that? You're playing video games or whatever, you can do that for hours without moving what kind of physical energy do you need??

have you ever just not wanted to do something because you had a long day

you just weren't in the mood for it

if i worked every day, i would never be in the mood to do anything fun

i also play competitive games, if you don't understand why competitive games take energy, i'm not sure what to tell you

even then, staring at a screen full of bright colors while playing a game that's asking much of my reaction times, dexterity, and my full undivided attention in order to perform well isn't always something that i have the energy to do, regardless of whether i'm playing a competitive game or not

The soreness is one thing but you're only sore because you haven't done it in a while, if you're consistently working out for a moderate amount of time you don't feel like you're dying when you do the same exercise.

that's not the point of exercise

you're supposed to work out until you're sore, because that's your body growing stronger

if you only work out doing what you know your body can handle, then you're not getting sore and you're not getting stronger, which is the point of exercise

i should know, because i have exercised

and it sucked fucking dick, and it was the biggest waste of my time ever

As for the improvements, say you have a bad back because of posture, well doing exercises to improve your back strength will help to alleviate that. Say you were sore every time you stood up but did exercise for 10 - 20 minutes every couple days and it went away. Is that such a commitment?

not worth it

Quote from: Eli on February 02, 2018, 01:28:38 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 02, 2018, 01:25:04 PM

i'm $100K in debt because my college career didn't pan out the way i thought it would, but at least i have 20 extra years to slave away paying it all off because i'm just so darn healthy!!!

no one is asking you to prolong your life, just realise that some people could conceivably want to for good reasons.

It doesn't even have to be about prolonging it. Just improving quality of day to day life.

explain how feeling sore for hours in the morning because i expended all my energy lifting or running the other day, and not having any remaining energy left to do actual fun things, is improving the quality of my day to day life

We just come from fundamentally different standpoints and will disagree. My mindset being that if my life is ultimately pointless and serves no real purpose, I might as well feel good and enjoy it while I can, and maybe try to make an impact on some idiots lives.

but i don't disagree with any of this

i just think there are 100x more efficient ways to do that than exercise

i'm $100K in debt because my college career didn't pan out the way i thought it would, but at least i have 20 extra years to slave away paying it all off because i'm just so darn healthy!!!

I mean I think Luciana's point is that you might live to be 40 - 50 but the quality of your life might suffer. Various issues that add up to make it less enjoyable.

the world is shit, i'm poor as a motherfucker, and everyone's a fucking idiot but at least i have abs :DDDD

what a joke

It was an example

average lifespan is 71 for men, 81 for women, so you're about 20 years off with that unless you hop over to Africa maybe.

that's what i'm saying, it's practically guaranteed for you to live up to 40-50 range, and you don't need to exercise to do it, because the average lifespan is much higher than that, and most people don't get "enough" exercise

so what i'm saying is, does it REALLY matter

is it REALLY worth it

holy fuck your peoples arguments with verb are fucking retarded

you don't need to work out to save yourself from a situation that risks your life, and you don't need to workout to be a beefcake

It's simply desirable to stay in shape for a myriad of reasons, attraction to men/women being the least of which. Unless you wanna die early and from complications, or feel miserable, don't get fat and don't abuse your body.

i think the amount of lifetime that you would "gain" from exercising is the same amount of time you would have to spend exercising for it to make a difference that isn't negligible

in other words, i could spend 5 years to gain 10 years, or i could, you know

not do that, because it's the same difference

what is the difference between someone who dies at 65 and someone who dies at 70

you're just old for another five years, big whoop, nobody lives forever

That is a remote possibility. This is also a straw man. My point is the more physically fit you are the better your chances of protecting yourself and your loved ones from others.

i mean, weapons exist

That's just not true. When you're in a near death situation, all philosophy, religion, whatever goes out the window and fear, desperation, and the will to live kick in on overdrive. You'd wish you had the strength to do so.

well yeah, but that's called being irrational

what i believe in my most irrational state of mind is the exact opposite of what i actually believe

I just don't really care at this point in my life and having fun right now is more important for my mental well being than exercising.

same here

so you shouldn't be responding to me at all, unless you aim to sympathize

That's true, but that's why I think it's something that should be taught to children at a young age and in a fun way, to make sure all kids feel included and motivated. But I guess you might as well wish for world peace, with the way PE teachers are.

all my PE teachers were fat pieces of shit, which i thought was hilarious

I don't like gyms and I don't recommend anybody goes to them. It's a waste of money, a stupid culture, and generally a waste of time. Just do push-ups, sit-ups, burpies, whatever in your own home and you'll likely have better results than going to the gym half assed like it's a job. And before anybody else says that's bullshit, it's not. It works, and I was in good shape because I was worried I'd need to be in good shape to protect myself in case something happened.

i could probably stomach doing 50 of each of those every day or so

but i'm the kind of person who needs a tangible end to strive for, and i just don't

Why do you think that?

more people should be voting in the long term, because hopefully by that point, we'll actually have an electorate that's educated, well-informed, unbiased, and thoroughly invested in the political affairs of their country

but in the short term, less people should be voting, because we're simply not there yet, and we're not going to get there for a very long time (if ever) and that's just the reality

I mean if they don't bother trying to learn anything and they don't vote when they easily could and should, they don't really have a leg to stand on.

i don't think that's so easy for most people

most people don't know how to conduct proper research, and you can't blame them for not being able to do so

it's actually extremely difficult for the average person (who doesn't understand how the internet works) how to sift through news sources, detect bias, and realize when they're being fed bullshit

even these so-called "fact-checkers" can manipulate people into thinking ANYTHING just by calling themselves a "fact-checker"

i don't think it's reasonable to expect people to know where to look for the facts

people are smart but they're also stupid and gullible

Can they recognize a shitty situation? Sure, anybody can. But they don't really have the "right" to say anything because they did absolutely nothing to change anything. I know this recent election was a complete farce, but to abstain when there's a candidate like trump who has the possibility of winning, I think you let your country down tremendously.

sure, the nature of this past election is something of an anomaly where the correct choice was so painfully obvious, i wouldn't have wanted to see less than a 90% voting turnout

but i'm not factoring in the last election, though, because yes it was a farce, and also because no other election in american history has been this clear-cut, especially on the state level (which could be argued are the ones that matter more)

in other words, i'm just trying to be general

do you seriously think a test before being allowed to vote is going to encourage more voting?

obviously not, but that's not a bad thing

less people should be voting

i disagree entirely with the part where she said that those who abstain (or otherwise consider themselves too uninformed to vote) have no right to complain about a shitty result, because while they may have the humility to consider themselves too stupid to vote, i'd say most people are smart enough to realize a shit situation when they're put in one

or maybe not, that's just how i feel

Quote from: Verbatim on February 01, 2018, 05:10:08 PM

the problem with working out is that you will never know if a girl likes you for you, or for your body

so i'd find that plan viscerally unappealing no matter what

You should be able to spot a girl like that from a mile away.

i should have a million dollars

thats all well and good, but none of those provide the objective chemical equivalent to working out, even if you really enjoy them.

speaking as someone who spent a lot of time working out a couple years ago, and gained absolutely nothing from it, i do not want an objective chemical equivalent

i want the activity itself to be more worthwhile

you're comparing the faux-happiness achieved from performing an otherwise worthless activity to the genuine happiness achieved from performing activities that i personally consider more valuable

if jono is the type of person who likes feeling confident for no logical reason, i have nothing more to say to him

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have you ever just submitted an incomplete post

the "use" in working out is the improved confidence levels which in turn help you function in society. what other activities would you recommend that are equally as beneficial yet you consider to be worthwhile?

that's gonna vary from person to person, but for me, it's writing and video games

any hobby that you enjoy doing, really

i can't really recommend anything, but working out is among the last things i'd recommend, because i do consider it a colossal waste of time for most people that winds up having inadvertently detrimental effects that most people don't think about when pursuing relationships

because apart from the whole idea that shallow cunts are undesirable, it's also undesirable to assume that a girl would be into you just because you're physically attractive, that's kind of insulting to her, too

it's all fucked up, i don't know why intelligent people bother

it's generally pretty easy to tell what a girl is into you for so i don't think it's that big of a deal

someone who likes you for you looks, do you really expect that to last

that's the problem

relationships that begin based off of physical attraction alone are relationships that should never have begun at all

not only is that just a waste of everybody's time, it's incredibly fucking hurtful when it suddenly dawns on you

you're just an object to them, oh cool awesome that makes me feel great

Quote from: Verbatim on February 01, 2018, 05:10:08 PM

the problem with working out is that you will never know if a girl likes you for you, or for your body

so i'd find that plan viscerally unappealing no matter what

idk about anyone else, but for me, the gym is less about looking good, and more about feeling good. if you feel good about yourself, it's easier to be confident, and the rest of your life improves from that. i think there's something to be said about liking how you look, but working out even as an "unfit" person empirically makes you feel better because of the workout high. it's just good for you even if you dont have fitness goals of any kind.

unless you're willing to take the argument further... "does she like me for me, or my confidence?" where i think it'd be silly to make the distinction.

i kind of get that?

but i'd still recommend avoiding any endorphins attained from activities that are otherwise useless or unproductive

in other words, there's better ways to do it that are less time-consuming and actually give you something of value at the end

unless your job involves lifting heavy shit frequently, being stronger isn't going to do much for you if you're not attracted to dumb shallow bitches