I really just wanted you guys to validate my own opinion so I'd feel better about buying a console for a single game. You've done terribly.

you fucking idiot...

generally speaking, it's only rational to care about whether other people are getting fucked over
you don't have to weep for every single person who does--i certainly don't

but when asked about the notion of never having the option to fuck another person over?
your first answer should be "YES. LET'S NOT FUCK PEOPLE OVER."

it's a conversation that extends far beyond just this stupid video game, and that's why i'm so passionate about it
the game thinks it's okay to fuck people over, and I say, "No, it isn't. Fuck you."

and if YOU think it's okay, then fuck you too

ummm, count me in i guess

Good for you. That's the only intelligent way to play.

Me, I just can't get over the fact that they allow such a feature to exist at all.

You have a bloodstained that you walk up to an click X on to retrieve your souls. Literally the only thing that drops when you die.

Yeah that

you don't lose your stuff, just the money you could easily farm again

That's still too much. You shouldn't lose anything. Invasions shouldn't be a thing. You guys are wrong.

At least Luciana's honest--Aria didn't say anything about losing money (unless souls ARE your money). And no, I don't care that you can just farm it back again.

Well there is a reason. It's a risk reward to push ahead and lose the souls (money) you've collected, or turn back and go to a bonfire/merchant to buy or level up things. Otherwise you could simply farm all day without risk.

Though there is a ring that you can equip to if you die you don't lose anything.

i was told just a page ago that you literally just pick back up all your stuff
because it spawns all around you

doesn't seem that risky to me

so if that's wrong, okay, yeah, that just makes me hate invasions even MORE
BECAUSE YOU'RE FORCED TO RECOLLECT ALL YOUR STUFF

Quote from: Verbatim on April 07, 2015, 10:53:58 AM

can invade people and steal their shit

I'm not gonna argue with you since I know and understand why you dislike the game (SHOCKING WE CAN ALL HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS), but you can't steal stuff from other people when you invade.

yes, we established that earlier

instead, the dumbass game has you pick back up all your stuff
for... NO reason

sounds stupid as fuck

and the invader still gets rewarded if they beat you
the only thing an invader should get is AIDS

if people were just honest with themselves and said, "i don't know why i like it" or "i'm incapable of explaining why," then that would be just fine

because otherwise, you end up with explanations that don't clear all the bases and don't make one iota of sense
and just make me ask even more questions because of how nonsensical it is

For anyone confused, the issue is now about how your own opinion justifies anything. I'm saying it doesn't. I'm saying, if you're capable of saying, "yes, I like being fucked over," that's just a little bit insane. And I know Aria's not insane. So it's frustrating for me when I ask for a good reason why she likes invasions, and I get a shitty one. "Because they're fun" is what her opinion boiled down to, and that's exactly what I said I wasn't looking for.

"Because they're fun" is a SHITTY reason to like anything.

Its essentially drop in-drop out PVP. You don't even have to stop playing to search, it just throws the person in your game when he connects. Plus, if I haven't cleared an area, I have to be mindful of the AI as well. So I get a two front battle, which is even more fun.

you're still not getting to the consent issue

not everyone is willing to consent to getting fucked over
especially me

why isn't there a "FUCK YOU, CUNT" button
that would really liven the experience for me

better yet, implement a way to give the invader cancer or some shit
yeah, that would be great

does it have that feature

You asked why I like it, and I told you.

well, sorry, i don't think that's a good enough reason
the game clearly has ways of "making you feel smart"--it doesn't need invasions to do that

and if it does, then... bad game

No, I wasn't. I was surprised, I admit, but I wasn't pissed. It was adrenaline pumping because every fight I had before that was against AI that could be beaten by just doing slash > back step > slash. For the first time in the game (at the time), I was fighting something that actually made me play smart.

well, i'll just say it outright, then--you were wrong for not being pissed off

but that's not really the point anyway

just because YOU are okay with being invaded doesn't mean other people are
that doesn't make it a good feature that needs to stay in the game

that's like being stolen from, catching the thief, and then being like... "hey, i know you stole my shit, and that really pissed me off, but in hindsight, chasing you around was kind of fun--we should do this again sometime"

pbbtbtbhtthtbtbhh

I enjoy PVP, so it goes without saying that I like being invaded?

no... it doesn't

pvp is fucking GREAT...
...if it's consensual

i play street fighter--the game is purely pvp
that's the point of the game

but you can't "invade" people in that game
so no, obviously, invading
1. is not a necessary part of a pvp experience
2. does NOT go without saying why anyone would enjoy it

it's like saying, "i like getting raped--it goes without saying, i just like getting raped. no explanation needed"
"i like being stolen from--it goes without saying why i would"
? ? ? ? ?

2) I never pay attention to messages unless it's pertinent like "ambush ahead"; if it's a lie I was cautious but still alive, if it's true I'm cautious but still alive. So really I'm not for or against it, it's just... there.

i don't see anything to be neutral about, but whatever

Holy shit that's dumb

if you fail to demonstrate how or why i'm wrong

then from what fucking sorcery should i contrive that i'm wrong

"hating popular things is bad"
"expressing unpopular opinions is bad"
"challenging the popular opinion is bad"

that's all you're saying

People shouldn't enjoy things I don't approve of

correct

unless they can explain to me, through logic, why i should either
1. approve of it
2. not disapprove of it

literally everyone on earth thinks like this
i'm just more vocal about it