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Serious / Re: When does an analogy become too extreme?
« on: April 15, 2015, 09:35:58 PM »
I think in that example, rape is a perfect analogy. It's all the domain of bodily autonomy and consent, so there's really no reason to say it's too extreme. And assuming your position is actually right, I'd say birth is a violation orders of magnitude worse than rape.
I'm delighted to know that you understand my point, then. Perhaps in that particular example, the only reason people get flustered about it is because they don't understand my position, and you do. There are other examples, of course, but I can't seem to think of any right now.

You did state earlier, however, that analogies can be extreme enough to hinder one's argument. Could you give an example of that? Because if you don't consider my above example to be extreme (which is wonderful), I wonder where your standards lie.

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The Flood / Re: favoUrite youtube channels
« on: April 15, 2015, 08:55:39 PM »
YouTube

inmendham is probably my favorite

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Gaming / Re: 2nd Sep7agon Pokemon Tournament *SIGN-UPS ARE CLOSED*
« on: April 15, 2015, 08:53:53 PM »
nope

he died

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Gaming / Re: So Mewtwo is out
« on: April 15, 2015, 08:49:44 PM »
I thought down+b was Confusion.

Ah, that's right, it's Disable... I meant to say Disable earlier.

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Serious / Re: When does an analogy become too extreme?
« on: April 15, 2015, 08:47:33 PM »
What I'm asking is, is there a point where an analogy becomes too extreme to have any logical coherence?
Too extreme to be valid?

I don't think so.

If someone finds an analogy "offensive", I really couldn't be fucked about that.

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Serious / Re: When does an analogy become too extreme?
« on: April 15, 2015, 08:46:16 PM »
It can definitely be so extreme that it hinders your argument. I'm not really sure what you're getting at though; is someone saying that analogies can be so extreme that they're offensive? It'd be helpful if you could provide the analogy or conversation that sparked this discussion.
Nothing sparked it, I just made this thread on a whim. There have been numerous instances in the past where people took offense to my analogies and tried to use their own weak will as an argument against the analogy.

As an anti-natalist, I often make the argument that childbirth is wrong for the same reasons that rape is wrong.
They're both nonconsensual deeds, and they both beget pain and suffering.

Those are the only two aspects being compared. It's an extreme analogy, but it's not too extreme.

It still gets my point across. But people will often ignore my position simply because I (apparently) believe that the two acts are one in the same, which is... retarded.

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The Flood / Re: Which Pokemon are you??
« on: April 15, 2015, 08:37:39 PM »
"Which Pokemon Type Would You Be?"

yeah im pretty sure that's not how you do "which pokemon are you" quizzes
i know right

it's like... that's precisely what i'm trying to figure out lol

this was always my favorite one

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The Flood / Re: Which Pokemon are you??
« on: April 15, 2015, 08:36:09 PM »
these questions are lame

what type am i?
what's my spirit animal?

i mean, getting to choose your spirit animal kinda takes the fun out of having a spirit animal, doesn't it

anyway, I got Mewtwo
Quote
Mysterious and Solitary, you are a brooding loner who plays life very close to the chest. One of a kind - Others have a hard time figuring you out, and that's just the way you like it. A very noble heart lies beneath an intimidating exterior, and loyalty is something you value above all else - especially when concerning others in relation to yourself. If all else fails, you can always remind the world of your genetic superiority. No big deal

i mean yeah, it fits, but i think this is one of those quizzes where the description is vague enough to satisfy basically everyone

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The Flood / Re: Official cringe thread
« on: April 15, 2015, 08:27:30 PM »
Here's a big one:
http://sep7agon.net/index.php?action=profile;u=341
if i make you cringe, how do you go about your day

do you have tetanus

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The Flood / Re: Official cringe thread
« on: April 15, 2015, 08:21:07 PM »
YouTube
good lord
he had every right to do that, feminist scum

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The Flood / Re: Official cringe thread
« on: April 15, 2015, 08:18:27 PM »
YouTube
fuck me
That wasn't cringey; that was hilarious.

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The Flood / Re: Official cringe thread
« on: April 15, 2015, 08:15:07 PM »
Pretty painful:
YouTube

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you have to PM Cheat a video of you doing this dance.
YouTube
here's a list of things that i would rather do:

- die
- masturbate with a cheese grater
- defenestrate myself
- snap my back after attempting auto-fellatio
- drown myself in gasoline
- throw myself in an oven
- fuck my uncle
- stick my dick in an empty soda can
- learn to read italian for the sole purpose of reading my italiano copy of 50 shades of grey
- explode
- enter another bezerkcommando thread
- play dark souls
- delete system 32 off all of my computers
- have CIS Scum sit on me

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Serious / Re: When does an analogy become too extreme?
« on: April 15, 2015, 07:49:28 PM »
Addendum:

There are bad analogies. But a bad analogy should be demonstrable by looking upon the logical thread between the two examples, and demonstrated (through logic or otherwise) why there is no parity between the two examples. An analogy isn't simply bad just because it's comparing murder to eating a cupcake. Not necessarily.

It might jump at you like that, because it's sort of a bizarre juxtaposition, but let me try to think of an example...

Okay, here:
Birth is to murder as baking a cupcake is to eating it.

Simple analogy, right?
Now, what is the underlying statement here?
Am I suggesting that eating cupcakes is tantamount to murder?
Spoiler
Another trick question. There IS no underlying statement. It's a simple analogy. By making such a statement, I'm not stating that eating cupcakes is murder. I'm merely pointing out the logistic... metaphorical similarities between the two examples. There's a logical thread there. See what I mean? Or am I crazy?

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Serious / When does an analogy become too extreme?
« on: April 15, 2015, 07:46:03 PM »
Trick question: It can't.

An analogy cannot be too extreme. In any discussion, you should be able to analogize any two distinct things without anyone saying, "Wow, I can't believe you're trying to compare murder with something so innocuous," as if the point of the analogy was to compare murder and the innocuous thing.

Analogies are meant to establish parallels between the logical thread of two things. They're not meant to be perfect comparisons. To attack the imperfections of an analogy rather than the analogy itself is, in my opinion, an ad hominem. You're attacking someone's verbal capabilities, their eloquence, rather than the actual argument.

It is fallacious to assume that an argument is false simply because it was poorly argued. Sometimes, people compare innocuous things to extreme things like murder or rape simply because they really want to apply your logic to a real circumstance. And if your logic doesn't hold up in any REAL circumstance, it probably shouldn't hold up in any case.

I wish I could come up with examples at the top of my head, but I'd like to see other people's opinions on this first.

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The Flood / Re: Drama
« on: April 15, 2015, 07:32:23 PM »
PE

mostly because we only played stupid games instead of actually working out/exercising

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Gaming / Re: Dark Souls II: Favorite weapon stories
« on: April 15, 2015, 07:28:27 PM »
I think he was expecting an honorable duel.
because why wouldn't you

this is exactly what i fucking hate about this community

and the game, for allowing it to happen

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Gaming / Re: 2nd Sep7agon Pokemon Tournament *SIGN-UPS ARE CLOSED*
« on: April 15, 2015, 07:20:50 PM »

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Gaming / Re: Favorite Heroes/Villains in Battlefront 2?
« on: April 15, 2015, 07:13:08 PM »
Ass.

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Gaming / Re: Favorite Heroes/Villains in Battlefront 2?
« on: April 15, 2015, 06:59:20 PM »
By that, I assume you mean saber-wielders... in which case, Kit Fisto was my favorite.

Game still sucks ass, though.

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Gaming / Re: So Mewtwo is out
« on: April 15, 2015, 06:20:00 PM »
According to my friends, he sucks. "He's just like he was in Melee, except his killing moves have been nerfed."

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Gaming / Re: So Mewtwo is out
« on: April 15, 2015, 06:15:54 PM »
Yeah, I've never really thought of Confusion as useless, even in Melee. I've yet to play as him online (I don't wanna fuck up my 60% win ratio :P), but I know I've used the move to great effect in Melee. Then again, I wasn't exactly "hardcore" back then.

His alternate colors are glorious.

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Gaming / Re: So Mewtwo is out
« on: April 15, 2015, 06:10:12 PM »
He doesn't seem to have any custom moves yet.

He can wall-jump.

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Gaming / Re: So Mewtwo is out
« on: April 15, 2015, 05:16:28 PM »
I'm so hype. Will post thoughts later.

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The Flood / Re: New Joker looks....
« on: April 15, 2015, 02:08:53 PM »
I like it.

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Gaming / Re: Greninja Amiibo available for preorder
« on: April 15, 2015, 09:59:41 AM »
amiibo was a mistake

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If you clone yourself for organs the brain is not needed so the only thing you have is a body that looks like you. I don't see how something like that is morally wrong wen there's' no life to it. It's no more alive than what an action figure is.
as if you can pick and choose which body parts your clone will be born with, or what

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