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32011
« on: August 31, 2015, 08:57:06 PM »
oh
capitalize and punctuate your oh show some fucking respect
32012
« on: August 31, 2015, 08:56:00 PM »
DemotedChronic
32013
« on: August 31, 2015, 08:54:58 PM »
Oh.
edit:
just kidding, he stepped down
32014
« on: August 31, 2015, 08:53:45 PM »
Straight Outta Compton.
8/10
Very entertaining. It was a little bit self-indulgent, though.
32015
« on: August 31, 2015, 08:52:35 PM »
gross
32016
« on: August 31, 2015, 08:43:24 PM »
you're using this as a tactic to avoid the points I'm trying to say. Uh, no. Why do you think I put it in a spoiler tag to begin with? ...To put the focus on the meat of the discussion. So now that you've gotten the condescension out of your system, do you actually want to discuss this like, I don't know, adults for once? I don't know. Do you? Oh it'd also be fantastic if you could address my first two initial points referring to my academic study which you have conveniently elected to ignore for the past, let's say, five posts now. why do I have to address something that I already agree with I really really really really don't see the point of that Sxc women, bad or no bad? Not bad. I'm not talking about sexy women anyway. I'm talking about sexualized women in the media. I don't see this in gaming. They are objectified to an extent in order to increase sale prices, sure BINGO BINGO BINGO Congratulations--you have identified the problem. you are unable to understand how market forces operate. If I wasn't able to understand how the market force operates, I wouldn't be so vehemently against it. More to the point, why would something so primordially natural be something that offends me? Shit is primordially natural, too. You probably wouldn't want to watch someone take a dump, would you? I'm not ashamed of my sexuality, are you? Extremely. And so should everybody else. It's primal garbage that is designed specifically to trick us into reproducing. By making our piss organs go in and out of each other. There is no reason why, philosophically speaking, that shouldn't disgust you to the core. I knew you were an emotionally castrated buzzkill, but Christ, I can find more humanity in a fucking Amish community. I'll take that as a compliment. I never said you weren't, and it would be lovely for you to point out where I said that you shouldn't. You wouldn't be arguing with me right now if you didn't think that I shouldn't be offended. Getting a bit existential are we? Wanna answer the question?
32017
« on: August 31, 2015, 08:27:42 PM »
Isn't that shit like a glitch fest? No.
32018
« on: August 31, 2015, 08:23:13 PM »
I understand not having comments enabled on youtube; but she has done many live appearances to speak on the subject, and roughly zero times has she allowed or participated in a public discourse. This really irritates me, because proper discourse is vital to forming and altering your perspective to prevent or limit your biases; to refuse so is detrimental to academic understandings of issues. Yeah. If I'm honest, I've only ever watched one of her full live appearances--her TED Talk. I've seen the clips that everyone makes fun of her for ("I'm not a fan of video games/I don't want to go around ripping people's heads off, that's gross", and "where is that army?"), but I haven't actually seen these full appearances. Perhaps I should look into them. Fair enough. By cherrypicking out-of-context examples, I mean examples just like her referencing backlash against gay characters from the gaming community; yes, there have been backlash against characters. But it wasn't because they were gay, it's because being gay was the sum of their persons. I try to limit my uses of words like this to where they are directly applicable. Likewise, you mentioned Hitman; it is true that you can kill women in violent ways. But you aren't supposed to, and there are actually more men that you can kill than women. You could posit that this unfairly represents a female population in police and security related fields, but that would negate the serious tone I'm trying to convey. The Hitman thing was more like a grasping-at-straws type situation than it was a cherrypick--I know they're kinda related, but whatever. I've conceded that her opinion on the gay character thing was a mistake on her part. I only chose the one against gays because it was the easiest to respond to concisely and quickly; I'm flattered that you believe I could write my doctoral thesis on the instances of context-removed examples, but I'm not trying to turn this discussion into one of those half-page spanning posts. It'd be fair to compromise and just use that instance to highlight other areas where she may or may not have mis-supported her argument. Fair enough. I know you don't like doing these massive quote walls--hence why I'm trying to be a little more terse. Unless she was honestly misinformed on why there were backlashes against characters like Cortez and Anders, she took an irrelevant situation and reworded it to provide more support for her argument. She could have entirely left it out, and her video would have been more accurate (not perfectly, mind you); but instead, it's there, and that's another x amount of seconds that the video runs. This gives the impression that her argument is more credible because she can link more instances of childish temper tantrums from the gaming community. Maybe it stood out to me since it was the same argument Taneem used for why people didn't like DmC: Devil May Cry, but that's a separate discussion. Fair. And if these videos are being used to provide informational analysis on what can constitute instances of female characters done right, that's great. I hope more of her future videos are along the lines of this. I mean, I think they do. You should watch them (at least one). I'm not going to tune her out, especially since that's my problem with refusing discourse; I intend to continue listening to her in the hopes that one day she does so.
I'm glad to hear that.
32019
« on: August 31, 2015, 07:59:42 PM »
No.
32020
« on: August 31, 2015, 07:55:14 PM »
All right. I just wanted to reiterate what Kupo said last night, in lieu of what happened a couple days ago.
Don't let having some of the events spoiled for you ruin your enjoyment of the game. Plot twists aren't everything--if they were, we wouldn't like games or movies nearly as much as we do, because the rest of it would just be boring, meaningless fluff.
Just remember why you play games in the first place, and hopefully, enjoy. The game's still ripe to be explored, and nothing can spoil that experience for you.
32021
« on: August 31, 2015, 07:47:24 PM »
agree--
>'60s spider-man
nope
32022
« on: August 31, 2015, 07:44:32 PM »
God 56 days seems so long
less than two months how about now
32023
« on: August 31, 2015, 07:39:36 PM »
The topic of her series is my issue. If you're going to topic the problems in media, don't half-ass it for the sake of pushing a narrative. Sexual objectification isn't an unreasonable topic to discuss, but boiling your argument down to "this is the fault of white hetreosexual men" will not get us anywhere. You require discourse to solve issues, and she clearly disallows that from occuring. She promotes an issue (half an issue) and then refuses to cooperate in discussing how you can fix it. I understand that. I don't like that she blocks comments and ratings, either, even though you and I both know what that comment section is going to look like. You said it yourself earlier--only a small fraction of people are going to be like you and give her arguments a chance. So it wouldn't make a difference whether she enables comments or not. I think the fact that we can have the discourse you want here (and anywhere else on the Internet) is good enough. The only thing I don't like about Anita in this regard is that she rarely responds directly to criticism, leaving people like me to defend her arguments for her. And some of the things she says ARE indefensibly stupid--the HItman thing comes to mind. So that's a frustration I've had with her for awhile, but only time will tell if she actually decides to make a video responding to criticism in the future. I don't think she's incapable. Regarding her covering the "other half", however, I really don't care if she does or not. If she does, great. But I don't think it's unreasonable to focus on the larger of the two evils. Or at least, the more prevalent of them. Besides, she IS female--she has every right to be offended by how her gender is portrayed in the media, more so than guys are. Because guys aren't sexualized as much! I was really chosing an example of her supports generally being cherry picked and completely changing the context. See, I don't really know what you mean by "cherrypicking", either. If there's an instance of sexism in a game, is it cherrypicking to call it out? What constitutes a cherrypick in your eyes? It just seems like another buzzword to me. When I say agenda, I don't mean in the standard definition of the word; I'm referring to leaving out facts or issues that don't conform to her world-view to pus a narrative she's formed. The example about gays that I referenced was an example from this specific video. I know--hence "more". That's not quite enough for me. Not all videos are going to be 100% perfect. You could say that you cherrypicked that example from the video. This is why I don't like to fuck with these buzzwords, because they can be reapplied to you so easily. However, her larger topics are filled with misinformation and irrelevance that are simply there to beef up the word-count and make her claims seem more substantial. Care to elaborate? I'm not anti-Anita; I'm anti-half truth, and anti-misinformation. I would be thrilled if she released an informative and logically completed thesis. But so far, I haven't seen that.
Well, I don't know which of her videos you've seen, but if you haven't seen her new series out called "positive female characters in video games", I'd suggest checking those out. With each of her videos, I tend to agree with 80-90% of what she's saying, but with these new videos, I agree 95-100%. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXmj2yJNUmQ The Scythian (Sword & Sworcery) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCsu3YPOw50 Jade (Beyond Good & Evil) If you're asking for a video/essay where she covers every facet of her philosophy, I don't think you'll find one--it's something you're just meant to pick up on after watching all her videos, I guess. But just because she's made a few flubs here and there, to me, isn't a viable enough justification to completely discredit her as a feminist.
32024
« on: August 31, 2015, 07:04:16 PM »
I can't wait to see what type of mods people are going to come up with.
that is such a dumb reason to anticipate a game
32025
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:53:53 PM »
"War. War never changes."
anyone else think this might be the most over-referenced quote of all time
at least in gaming
32026
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:50:34 PM »
so I wasn't the only person thinking this Why would you be?
32027
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:47:50 PM »
I haven't just come to this revelation you condescending prick. You're one of the people closest to getting blocked tbh, you and das. I have such a big list of haters, I hope you know I don't need your negativity.
Please block me. I don't want you being able to read my posts.
32028
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:45:08 PM »
This revelation is called sonder.
But most healthy people achieve this by, like, age 12.
32029
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:41:58 PM »
>not hype about any of these upcoming games
>not even street fighter v anymore
Sigh.
32030
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:39:40 PM »
I use them.
32031
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:34:09 PM »
I actually thought of a couple, but they kinda spoil Majora's Mask a little bit. Not directly--but the quotes are a lot more... impactful if you've actually played the game all the way through. Spoiler "Your friends... What kind of... people are they? I wonder... Do these people... think of you... as a friend?"
"What makes you happy? I wonder...what makes you happy...does it make...others happy, too?"
"The right thing...what is it? I wonder...if you do the right thing...does it make...everybody...happy?"
"Your true face... What kind of... face is it? I wonder... The face under the mask... Is that... your true face?"
32032
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:31:04 PM »
thunda i'm suing you for these damages
32033
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:28:31 PM »
That's a mod for the game.
Is it? How do you know?
32034
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:24:28 PM »
How about
"This cave is not a natural formation"
Exactly. That was a real gem.
32035
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:23:54 PM »
Fuck Fire Emblem.
Fuck Fire Emblem.
Fuck Fire Emblem.
32036
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:21:40 PM »
I've been trying to think of game quotes that I thought were pithy all day, but I just can't think of anything.
I don't really ever play dialogue-heavy games, I guess.
I'm better at memorizing shitty dialogue (Halo: CE has been a goldmine in that regard).
32037
« on: August 31, 2015, 06:01:49 PM »
irrelevancies ad hominem
ad ˈhɒmɪnɛm/
adverb & adjective
adverb: ad hominem; adjective: ad hominem
1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"an ad hominem response"
2.
relating to or associated with a particular person
Nah, by attacking my character instead of addressing my arguments that pretty much was the epitome of ad hominem.
But oh wait.
I thought we weren't supposed to attack Anita's arguments instead of her character? Or is it only applicable whenever you like it? Appealing to the dictionary is another logical fallacy in itself. Dictionaries aren't law--you're rarely going to get yourself a nuanced definition of the word. Only a base-level definition so that the average idiot (you) coud understand it. OH MY GOD LOL YOU USED GOOGLE'S DICTIONARY DEFINITION HAHAHA https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem"You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument." That's not what I did. I wasn't trying to undermine your argument--I was trying to insult you. And apparently, it worked, because you're so hung up on it. Slow at understanding things or simply not recognising your points to be valid? Slow at understanding things. So I'm an unintelligible female reproductive organ? That what we're going with here? Sure. You can continue to contort the definition of a word all day, or you can attempt to address my rebuttals to your points. Whatever floats your boat and enhances your enjoyment of this website. Literally the only person who doesn't know what a fucking ad hominem is here is you. It's not an insult--get over it. It's an insult intended to discredit an argument. Calling someone a "dumb cunt" doesn't make any attempt at discrediting an argument. If I said, "you're wrong, based on the fact that you're likely fat and ugly," that would've been an ad hominem. This isn't difficult. You are conflating sexism in videogames with sexism in real life. Fantasy =/= reality. I'm actually not doing that at all. In fact, I explicitly stated that I don't believe sexism in games causes sexism in real life. I mean, I had to have said it at least three or four times by now, but you know. I guess that's all anti-fems are capable of: Putting up strawmen and knocking them down. But that only gets you so far. You wanna say something to rebuke these points No, I generally don't have any business rebuking counterarguments to a claim pigeonholed into my philosophy by someone who doesn't actually understand what I'm trying to say. If that was too sophisticated/intellectual for you: I have no business refuting arguments that I agree with. That doesn't seem very smart. Oh so it wasn't an answer to the question I was asking then?
Care to provide a genuine answer that actually aids the discussion instead of continuing to be a sanctimonious prick? Because I think everyone here would really appreciate that. You were the one who had to make a big thing about it--calling me a "retard of the highest calibre" for doing something that I wasn't actually doing. You phrased your fucking question poorer than you're likely to be in the next ten years--I apologize for responding to it exactly how you worded it. Treating women like objects is disgusting. Women are not objects. Neither are men--they shouldn't be objectified, either. We are complex, intelligent, and nuanced. Under no rationale could it ever be justifiable to include a character in a game that so irreverently caters to our most carnal desires, unless it was supposed to be some kind of parody--but even then, we've already fucking done that shit. We know how ridiculous our sexualities are. We don't need any more reminders. It's time to move on to bigger, better, and more mature things. That's a basic primer, and I could go on and on. "Heh, better highlight the typo, otherwise I might've had to address what he's saying, and god forbid I ever do that" You didn't say anything. Really, you didn't. I asked you why your outlook is better than mine, and you completely dodged the question. So I'll ask again. Why SHOULDN'T sexualization offend you? Why should I NOT be offended? Why should I be like you? What will it bring me? Is this supposed to be another insult? It's a description.
32038
« on: August 31, 2015, 05:17:14 PM »
It's hard to please Anita. It's hard to please a lot of feminists.
I like to think I have the best possible outlook, but I mean... of course I do.
I'm just saying--comparatively to other feminists, I don't think I'm asking for a whole hell of a lot.
I don't want women to be perfect mary sue type characters who are never hurt or in danger. I just don't want them to exist solely to be eye candy for male games.
I don't want expressions of sexuality to be GONE--I just want it to be toned down.
32039
« on: August 31, 2015, 05:14:17 PM »
Jill Valentine is another example of a female character not over sexualized (with Sheva too I guess, but she sucks). It's a shame she's part of a series that sunk faster than Titanic.
I mean yeah, if I thought really hard, I could probably think of a bunch, too. I love Makoto from Street Fighter, for example. Mad Max: Fury Road was a feminist's dream. Well, Anita didn't like it, but that's because she doesn't like violence (her overall shittiest opinion that I don't agree with at all).
32040
« on: August 31, 2015, 05:05:30 PM »
"hurr durr I don't know so I'll commentate on it anyway." Maybe this is a dialect issue we're having. When people say "I don't know about that" in the US, they're not saying "I don't know"--they're saying, "I don't necessarily agree with that." I don't necessarily agree that sexism in video games causes sexism in real life. It's just another interesting perspective that a lot of feminists have, and if you plan on arguing with any other feminists in the future, you might have to tackle that premise. Genuine question Because your other questions weren't genuine, or what? can you actually engage in a discussion without regressing into ad hominem? Is it really that difficult? Here's a lesson on logical fallacies: An ad hominem, contrary to popular belief, is not your generic, vanilla insult. By calling you a dumb cunt, I did not commit an ad hominem--I just insulted you. It may have been in poor taste, but I felt like you deserved it because of your extremely obtuse and condescending nature. You're very slow to understand things, and you're aggressively stupid, so it was more of a statement of fact more than anything else. It wasn't an attempt to refute your argument--that's what an ad hominem is. If I said, "you are a dumb cunt; therefore, you are wrong," that would have been an ad hominem. If I said, "you're just a dumbass conservative, so who gives a fuck what you think," that would have been an ad hominem. Because I'd have discredited your argument based on irrelevant facts about you. Just saying. So, try not to sound too intelligent here, using words you don't know the meaning of, and shit. Lest you embarrass yourself. Because fantasy and reality are, funnily enough, vastly different things. Sorry--did I ever deny that? No, I don't think I did. So... you wanna say something relevant, or?... I asked you what the repurcussions of objectification were and you give me a wikipedia link to the Atlantic Slave trade. Very good! I'm glad you are able to retain events from less than an hour ago. But, you're not really doing much for your cause here. How is claiming that, because I linked to an article about the slave trade to give you an example of how bad objectification of human beings can get, how does that mean that I believe it's the same thing as sexism in video games? Hmm? How? oh yeah, it doesn't You could've stopped at "I was talking about modern times" and that would've been good enough for me. Because a personal fucking problem YOU hold, not me, and not everyone else. That is not an explanation. Of.. anything. It's not even a coherently written sentence. Bravo. And yet I don't, because I'm not an over-sensitive manchild. Right. You're an undersensitive manchild.
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