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961
« on: September 02, 2016, 11:36:46 AM »
So the main argument for not going planetary vegan is that we can't replace things fast enough, and it'd just end up being detrimental. Well, if we slowly replaced the amount of cattle with bugs (should eat similar food to the cattle), then we wouldn't have a problem, because the need for protein would be answered with these bugs. I reckon that you'd need less vegetables to get the same amount of protein that cattle give.
-It's healthier to eat bugs than it is to eat a steak
-You get more protein
-You use up less resources
-Less immoral to eat bugs than it is to eat los animales
Now as for the "we've fucked this planet beyond redemption"-claim, you should not be so pessimistic. We keep talking about problems, and the grim future, but what about the solutions? What about the milestones and growth in green? We need to look at history and how we've improved. We're coming up with better ways to deal with a heating Earth, or at least lowering carbon dioxide emissions- someone should do something about the already melted ice.
-We're getting more and more clean energy generators
-The People's Climate March has so far been the biggest march in mankind's history
-In May 2016 Britain was running on 100% clean energy for a few hours
-In the US there are about 150,000 coal workers, and 200,000 solar energy workers
Addressing the OP:
If your dog is a bad breed like a pug, a bulldog, or daschund- dog, but "hund" means dog so it's redundant, but so is the Swedish name for a basketball basket; basketkorg (basket basket)- you should put it down. Don't give it a vegan diet, give it a bleach diet. As for having pets, you're not doing a human thing. Owning pets is a very primal thing to do, and you can't call yourself an animal friend, 'cause that's like calling yourself a protector of ladies (whiteknight faggot).
Very interesting, well thought out and reasonable counter argument. But it really seems like that we are past the point of no return. I want to be proven wrong, badly. But those efforts are just not enough. Also, solar energy is HIGHLY inefficient, and the production of solar panels is awful for the environment. What we need, is nuclear fusion with deuterium. Done properly it is clean and essentially limitless.
962
« on: September 02, 2016, 11:04:56 AM »
"""""Education"""""""
963
« on: September 02, 2016, 10:49:29 AM »
Wrong.
A border collie named Bramble lived to be 27 years old--longer than any dog in recorded history--and was fed a vegan diet from birth.
Get fucked.
Correlation =/= Causation
The exercise probably played more into the longevity of the dog's life than the diet
Also the owner was extremely protective of her dog and probably provided it more care than the average dog owner
Not to mention it's anecdotal.
964
« on: September 02, 2016, 10:42:45 AM »
Just out of curiosity, because I can't be assed to read the rest of the thread, how many vegans/vegetarians here would be fine with consuming meat in a non-industrialized society? That is, if meat products weren't mass produced, and we weren't wrecking the environment, would you eat a pork chop?
I would. In fact, that's what I want. Animals would be able to live normal, healthy lives in the wild. Everything will die and will be eaten by something else no matter what, whether it be bacteria, maggots or a lion. It's the circle of life, and the dead animal lives on in the animals that consumed it.
965
« on: September 02, 2016, 10:32:42 AM »
Well, fight for what you believe in. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe something will change, but all I can see is a horrific future.
966
« on: September 02, 2016, 10:27:45 AM »
just hopping in to point out that if the animal industry was abolished overnight there would be no need for an increase in vegan diet options, as the food they used to feed those confined animals would be more than enough to cover the difference in human food amounts.
That's not gonna solve our problems. The farming is diabolical for nature and many animals would still suffer plenty at our hands -- there's a mass extinction event occurring at this moment and animals that aren't even used in the industry are going extinct.
Oh yeah, there's the problem of our ever increasing population too.
doesn't mean we just sit around and do nothing about it
humanity's years left may be numbered but that doesn't mean we need to brutally harvest creatures on top of destroying our planet.
Most of those creatures that we brutally harvest are doped up on drugs, and would destroy ecosystems (on top of not being able to survive) if released into the wild.
i don't want to release them into the wild, either. just stop impregnating them.
and they're definitely not on any drugs considering dying animals are routinely denied pain-reducing drugs so that the meat can be harvested and sold
You see, even having a compromise like that, trying to ease the suffering of animals in the industry no matter if we are doomed anyway won't happen either, for very obvious reasons. All we can do is fantasize. Just for the record, I am on your side. It saddens me to watch this beautiful world be destroyed -- I want to save Earth and have us all live a sustainable lifestyle. But it's just not possible, and we are screwed no matter what at this point. There was a time where we could go back, but it's wayyy too late now.
967
« on: September 02, 2016, 10:19:43 AM »
just hopping in to point out that if the animal industry was abolished overnight there would be no need for an increase in vegan diet options, as the food they used to feed those confined animals would be more than enough to cover the difference in human food amounts.
That's not gonna solve our problems. The farming is diabolical for nature and many animals would still suffer plenty at our hands -- there's a mass extinction event occurring at this moment and animals that aren't even used in the industry are going extinct.
Oh yeah, there's the problem of our ever increasing population too.
doesn't mean we just sit around and do nothing about it
humanity's years left may be numbered but that doesn't mean we need to brutally harvest creatures on top of destroying our planet.
Most of those creatures that we brutally harvest are doped up on drugs, and would destroy ecosystems (on top of not being able to survive) if released into the wild.
968
« on: September 02, 2016, 10:16:36 AM »
just hopping in to point out that if the animal industry was abolished overnight there would be no need for an increase in vegan diet options, as the food they used to feed those confined animals would be more than enough to cover the difference in human food amounts.
That's not gonna solve our problems. The farming is diabolical for nature, it destroys forests, ecosystems and animals would still suffer plenty at our hands -- there's a mass extinction event occurring at this moment and animals that aren't even used in the industry are going extinct. The farming we have right now is totally unsustainable, even if we can feed people for now, we won't be able to do it in the future. Oh yeah, there's the problem of our ever increasing population too.
969
« on: September 02, 2016, 10:03:56 AM »
5-3 on Nuclear Throne. Lil' Hunter is the textbook definition of a casual filter. You need to be seasoned or naturally talented at the game to reliably kill him -- it took me about 70 hours of gameplay to achieve the skill required to do so. In fact, he was so difficult, that they had to tone him down. Here's a video of him pre-nerf; The weapon that the guy was using to kill him is considered one of the most powerful in the game, and he still died.
970
« on: September 02, 2016, 09:22:57 AM »
You said it.
971
« on: September 02, 2016, 09:17:37 AM »
Actually all that meat makes us feel warm and fuzzy, oh and healthy, and not anaemic.
There's those positive health benefits too. >caring about health
>at all
Not that veganism is unhealthy. It's actually 30,000x healthier than a meat-based diet, but you know, continue living in your cozy shell where you don't have to worry about ethical quandaries, because your fragile mind would shatter if you actually sat down to think about what you're doing.
Sure we have more vegans and more demand of vegetables, meaning higher demand in crops which undoubtedly take up much more space then cattle and the latter.
>bulldoze forests to clear for crops
>Vegan world suffocates from lack of oxygen, vegans would kill the world.
Well you tried, but you haven't convinced me familio
Batch is on the right track. Billions of people relying solely on vegetable products with current tech would destroy Earth quicker than it's being destroyed right now. Earth has too many mouths to feed. And we're ignoring the elephant in the room -- population control.
972
« on: September 02, 2016, 09:13:39 AM »
I'm gonna have to come back to this later, but give me one reason why I should take this... random fucking person seriously.
He's a person with a following that cares a lot about nature, saving the planet and hates how greedy, selfish and destructive humans are.
973
« on: September 02, 2016, 09:06:59 AM »
974
« on: September 02, 2016, 09:02:51 AM »
Veganism is pointless, anyway. Yeah, there is something good in the idea, but it's impossible to make billions of humans change and make any lasting impact. That's why I stopped. Why should I try when nobody else is going to bother? Yeah, when has a large group of people EVER made a change for the better in society?
Also I loathe people that use it as some kind of moral high ground in an attempt to feel superior to others. You only loathe it when people use it as a high ground, because we DO have the high ground.
We ARE superior to you. And that makes you feel all bad and guilty inside.
A movement for rights of a race has nothing to do with how veganism works. How is it possible a) have sustainable farming that doesn't destroy our world and turn it into desert and b) to convert billions to vegan asap to save this planet? We are FUCKED. Completely fucked. The damage we have done is irreversible, and there will be no world for future generations to live in.
975
« on: September 02, 2016, 08:56:49 AM »
Veganism is pointless, anyway. Yeah, there is something good in the idea, but it's impossible to make billions of humans change and make any lasting impact. That's why I stopped. Why should I try when nobody else is going to bother? Also I loathe people that use it as some kind of moral high ground in an attempt to feel superior to others. Not to mention it actually ends up being HARMFUL to the environment because of our toxic agriculture today.
976
« on: September 02, 2016, 01:28:01 AM »
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The human condition has to change.
It won't change. And that's why I'm convinced we'll be wiped out in a century. Stopping a human from being human is impossible. We aren't perfect beings and have limitations.
Best course of action would be to replace us all with robots that aren't bound to primitive things. But that's not possible, either.
Seems like we're pretty much screwed.
That's why I said we have to. We can't even wrap our heads around global issues. How can we handle interstellar ones?
There has to be a paradigm shift in how we view ourselves before we're ready to venture out to the stars
The sad thing is, it's not gonna happen. It can't work by any stretch of the imagination.
We're still too early to call anything about what the future will turn out to be. As of right now, globalism is a concept that can't work due to where we sit at as a species in terms of evolution.
But, in a couple centuries and with some lucky dice rolls, who can really say.
Takes more than centuries for natural evolution to become noticeable. And we have about a century left.
977
« on: September 02, 2016, 01:25:46 AM »
Thank god I don't live in either of those countries. But then again. Europe is more fucked than the US is with the refugees. At least I'm behind a buffer in a 99% white nation.
978
« on: September 02, 2016, 01:22:05 AM »
.
The human condition has to change.
It won't change. And that's why I'm convinced we'll be wiped out in a century. Stopping a human from being human is impossible. We aren't perfect beings and have limitations.
Best course of action would be to replace us all with robots that aren't bound to primitive things. But that's not possible, either.
Seems like we're pretty much screwed.
That's why I said we have to. We can't even wrap our heads around global issues. How can we handle interstellar ones?
There has to be a paradigm shift in how we view ourselves before we're ready to venture out to the stars
The sad thing is, it's not gonna happen. It can't work by any stretch of the imagination.
979
« on: September 02, 2016, 01:14:11 AM »
980
« on: September 02, 2016, 01:07:49 AM »
I don't even...
981
« on: September 02, 2016, 01:06:42 AM »
.
The human condition has to change.
It won't change. And that's why I'm convinced we'll be wiped out in a century. Stopping a human from being human is impossible. We aren't perfect beings and have limitations. Best course of action would be to replace us all with robots that aren't bound to primitive things. But that's not possible, either. Seems like we're pretty much screwed.
982
« on: September 02, 2016, 12:56:57 AM »
Humanity hasn't grown out of tribalism yet. For a globalist society to exist, we need to ditch the idea of our tribes
This is precisely wrong.
Tribalism will be the only thing keeping humanity unified by the time it becomes a spacefaring species.
The concept itself has to be discarded. Otherwise we'll start shooting the second we make first contact.
Ladies and gentlemen, a créme de la créme example of the slippery slope fallacy.
No, we won't. Why? Because aliens aren't human. The concept of tribalism doesn't apply.
Look at nearly EVERY example of fiction we have. If we can't see that we have no tribe, then it's nearly always us vs them.
Where did this very forum come from?
A little game called Halo. Which it the quintessential us vs them story
Hang on here... fiction isn't reality.
Science fiction is where we see ourselves in the future and our hopes of how we'll do.
Look into Roddenberry's vision of Star Trek if you doubt the meaning of Sci Fi
See, the thing is, our predictions of the future based on fiction tend to be not very accurate. Look at how people in 1899 thought the year 2000 would be like: 
983
« on: September 02, 2016, 12:52:53 AM »
Humanity hasn't grown out of tribalism yet. For a globalist society to exist, we need to ditch the idea of our tribes
This is precisely wrong.
Tribalism will be the only thing keeping humanity unified by the time it becomes a spacefaring species.
The concept itself has to be discarded. Otherwise we'll start shooting the second we make first contact.
Ladies and gentlemen, a créme de la créme example of the slippery slope fallacy.
No, we won't. Why? Because aliens aren't human. The concept of tribalism doesn't apply.
Look at nearly EVERY example of fiction we have. If we can't see that we have no tribe, then it's nearly always us vs them.
Where did this very forum come from?
A little game called Halo. Which it the quintessential us vs them story
Hang on here... fiction isn't reality.
984
« on: September 02, 2016, 12:51:59 AM »
I would actually take Bernie over Hillary tbh
985
« on: September 02, 2016, 12:50:57 AM »
Hello friend. I'm guessing you are strongly insinuating that this aspect of the game is... less than good. But, you must understand, to people that aren't really in the know with Halo 5, they wouldn't get your... what I'm guessing is a pretty god damn witty joke.
So tell me, why would "Fireteam Osiris" be the opposite of the best part of Halo 5? If that is what you are implying of course.
986
« on: September 02, 2016, 12:47:17 AM »
Humanity hasn't grown out of tribalism yet. For a globalist society to exist, we need to ditch the idea of our tribes
This is precisely wrong.
Tribalism will be the only thing keeping humanity unified by the time it becomes a spacefaring species.
The concept itself has to be discarded. Otherwise we'll start shooting the second we make first contact.
Ladies and gentlemen, a créme de la créme example of the slippery slope fallacy. No, we won't. Why? Because aliens aren't human. The concept of tribalism doesn't apply.
987
« on: September 02, 2016, 12:43:04 AM »
But I don't want it on Serious. That place is for losers!
988
« on: September 02, 2016, 12:39:29 AM »
So why do you people attack him with such vile words? Surely the man has some positives for you.
989
« on: September 02, 2016, 12:38:16 AM »
Trumps a leftist? Holy fuck. Is today really opposite day?
990
« on: September 02, 2016, 12:36:57 AM »
Yes leftists, dismiss what I'm saying as a joke. You are beyond saving. Sad.
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