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2761
« on: December 22, 2015, 07:18:42 PM »
I can assure you that they're largely one and the same.
I'm sure they are, but it's irrelevant to my point about the quality of the question. You seem confused: I don't disagree with you about the state of voters. I disagree with you about the utility of the question mentioned in the headline of the linked article, and in the title of the OP. That's literally it.
I just don't like the fact that people are this cavalier about bombing cities, IS or not.
Fair enough, but do you honestly think it's a realistic expectation for them not to be? To many people, and not without justification, IS is an existential threat not just a physical one.
2762
« on: December 22, 2015, 07:15:16 PM »
I can assure you that they're largely one and the same.
I'm sure they are, but it's irrelevant to my point about the quality of the question. You seem confused: I don't disagree with you about the state of voters. I disagree with you about the utility of the question mentioned in the headline of the linked article, and in the title of the OP. That's literally it.
2763
« on: December 22, 2015, 07:09:28 PM »
First of all, you definitely can. If you see a dark-skinned, Arabic man with a turban on in an airport and you get scared, that's racism. You're judging someone based on their race. Great, now all Muslims are Arabs and all Arabs are Muslim. It's either a case of racism against Arabs or prejudice towards Muslims, not racism towards Muslims. Muslims are not a fucking race. Secondly, there's a huge difference in staying up to date on every Middle Eastern issue and having the forethought to research things before supporting mass murder.
And the result is utterly uninteresting because it's totally unreasonable to expect people to do that for the sake of an innocuous poll. How many of these Republicans do you think went around after this question promulgating the bombing of Agrabah? Tea Partiers and Trumpites are not agitating for this. You know what is disgusting? Taking Donald Trump's word that Arabs cheered for the WTC's destruction despite no reason to think they did besides what can only be considered being either seriously misguided or seriously bigoted. These are people who are getting their information from a fascist blindly and--in much help to your case-- are more numerous than those who would bomb a fictional city.
2764
« on: December 22, 2015, 06:58:56 PM »
the results of this poll are still disgusting.
It's all well and good to sit atop your horse, but funnily enough most people care about stopping the people pushing faggots from building tops. The fact that 30pc of Republicans were too uncultured to realise that it is a fake city, and incorrectly inferred that it probably has something to do with militants, does not even approach a big deal.
It's literally whining about people wanting to bomb IS, and some tricky little pollsters catching out a significant minority of that population with a ridiculously dishonest question.
lol I can't believe you're defending this degree of racism
"It sounds Muslim, so I'm going to support carpet bombing it without any research or knowledge at all."
If that logic is sound to you, then there's nothing much else I can say. ISIS is a threat, but not nearly at the level everyone is freaking out about, and not enough of one to justify poll results like these. It's just pure fear mongering that's causing people to get so worked up about ISIS in the first place.
First of all, you can't be racist towards Muslims. Second of all, I'm not defending their responses. Like I said to Icy, the general trend of responses to that poll (Arabs in NJ cheering, etc.) is concerning. I'm saying how the responses to that specific question are not unreasonable in context, and that the question itself is poor as a proxy for the quality of the US voter base. Expecting voters to be up-to-date on every Syrian and Iraqi city IS are in is utterly ludicrous, and it's incredibly disingenuous to suggest that it is some great failing of the American psyche when a large minority of both Republicans and Democrats answer in a way which belies their expected ignorance. I'm not saying their responses were correct, I'm saying they were utterly uninteresting.
2765
« on: December 22, 2015, 06:52:12 PM »
and does little to address the issue of a moronic voter base that would bomb a city with no information on it.
I'm disputing the legitimacy of this poll in measuring it.
It's from the premier polling agency in the United States - if it was from tabloid news that wanted a title, I'd take your stance.
The PPP doesn't run like that.
I don't care who asked the question, I care about the question itself. It's a dumb question. "Oh, hello, I'd like to question you about foreign policy. Do you think we should bomb this place that sounds like it can't be anywhere else but the Middle East, and given the current climate you can reasonably assume has something to do with terrorism?". Maybe I should amend my statement. The PPP is guilty of asking a stupid question, but it's the Guardian too busy rummaging for a headline (no surprises there) and I'm disappointed you didn't focus on what seems to be the more pertinent issue: the fact that 36pc believe Arabs in NJ cheered on 9/11. That is disgusting, and far more consequential than a bunch of Republicans wanting to bomb a city.
2766
« on: December 22, 2015, 06:45:53 PM »
the results of this poll are still disgusting.
It's all well and good to sit atop your horse, but funnily enough most people care about stopping the people pushing faggots from building tops. The fact that 30pc of Republicans were too uncultured to realise that it is a fake city, and incorrectly inferred that it probably has something to do with militants, does not even approach a big deal. It's literally whining about people wanting to bomb IS, and some tricky little pollsters catching out a significant minority of that population with a ridiculously dishonest question.
2767
« on: December 22, 2015, 06:43:57 PM »
and does little to address the issue of a moronic voter base that would bomb a city with no information on it.
The issue here is that I'm not disputing the intelligence of the voter base. I'm disputing the legitimacy of this poll in measuring it.
2768
« on: December 22, 2015, 06:41:24 PM »
Lmao, Meta, don't try to sweep this under the rug. The fact that people support bombing an entire city without knowing a THING about the city is sickening. Extensive research needs to be done before any act of violence is supported, let alone something as brutal as this.
Uh, duh. So tell me, when was the last time the U.S. had a referendum on whether or not to bomb a fucking city? Republicans generally support bombing IS, and you're asking Republicans about a Middle Eastern sounding city; it's a safe bet, were it a serious question, that it has something to do with IS. The fact that only 30pc of Republicans said we should bomb it is the surprising thing here.
2769
« on: December 22, 2015, 06:36:12 PM »
This is a non-story.
This is the American voter base - 30% of the GOP (Perhaps more, if you take in the "I don't know" crowd") and 20% of Democrats saying they'd support bombing a city they know nothing about, except for that it sounds vaguely Middle Eastern.
It's understandable in the face that you don't live here - but it's quite terrifying that people are this dumb and are voting for their next President in eleven months.
People do a mental process call inference. If somebody came up and asked me "Should be bomb Abdullahbuttfuckmiddleeasternnameistan" I'd probably ask a follow up. But my first thought would be "That's gotta have something to do with ISIS". It's just pollsters looking for a nice headline.
2770
« on: December 22, 2015, 06:26:58 PM »
This is a non-story.
A third of Republicans want to bomb a city which reasonably sounds like it could be in either Syria or Iraq which, given the current climate and the nature of the question, probably has something to do with Islamic terrorism.
Colour them jingoistic.
2771
« on: December 22, 2015, 06:06:10 PM »
1 because black on a whole have been taken by the US and are basically a victim of western imperialism Right, you'd have been better off staying in the jungle dying of either barbaric tribal conflicts or easily cured diseases. Don't pretend you are personally a victim of Western imperialism. It's unconscionably disgusting. 2 because removing socialism requires the US to intervene, much like Vietnam or the cold war.
Except we're talking about socialist elements within the US, which you'd know if you read the OP.
2772
« on: December 22, 2015, 05:39:53 PM »
?
Shut up, bitch.
fuck off you prick
WAHEY. Kitty got claws.
2773
« on: December 22, 2015, 05:37:17 PM »
from the perspective ofa black guy, I hope not.
the US has really no right in seeing how other countries choose to live their lives.
What the fuck are you talking about?
it's just my opinion chill out
Yes, but my question is regarding how your opinion pertains to the thread. Question 1: Why does you being black have any relevance? Question 2: What do other countries have to do with the topic at hand?
2774
« on: December 22, 2015, 05:30:30 PM »
from the perspective ofa black guy, I hope not.
the US has really no right in seeing how other countries choose to live their lives.
What the fuck are you talking about?
2775
« on: December 22, 2015, 05:23:25 PM »
2776
« on: December 22, 2015, 04:03:53 PM »
Completely agree. The only thing I ask for at Christmas is a list of books and some money.
Going to my grandma's house with all the decorations, having a lovely meal with the entire family and then watching the Queen's Speech is what makes Christmas, Christmas. The gift exchange is a nice ceremony, but I don't feel the season would be any worse without it.
2777
« on: December 22, 2015, 03:45:22 PM »
Shut the fuck up and tell me what you thought of Star Wars.
2778
« on: December 22, 2015, 03:38:35 PM »
Chris Stuckman's review. Makes some good points, especially about the nature of Rey and Kylo's abilities as force-sensitives and lightsabre-wielders.
2779
« on: December 22, 2015, 12:03:11 PM »
much needed sexual diversity
2780
« on: December 22, 2015, 11:40:37 AM »
I got the 501st comment.
Nice.
2781
« on: December 22, 2015, 11:38:54 AM »
Spoiler Captain Phasma is hardly utilized - she ends up being thrown down a trash chute
We don't see her being thrown down or dying, chances are she will come back.
She was still generally pointless to the film, and could have just been kicked off until the next one when we have more time.
And then everybody would be saying "Who the fuck is this silver bitch we've never seen before?" If they're going to be doing some development with her, at least she's already an established character. And, given that she was Finn's platoon commander or whatever, it's not as if she was totally irrelevant. Either way, her presence didn't detract from the movie.
2782
« on: December 22, 2015, 11:20:24 AM »
Spoiler Captain Phasma is hardly utilized - she ends up being thrown down a trash chute
We don't see her being thrown down or dying, chances are she will come back.
2783
« on: December 22, 2015, 10:58:24 AM »
I don't know why you just didn't post in the big thread and made another thread about seeING it
But good4u
Didn't even realise it was still on the front page. Feel free to merge.
2784
« on: December 22, 2015, 10:13:01 AM »
No, and it's disingenuous to suggest that public goods are "socialist" in any meaningful sense. There's no ideological underpinning to public roads or emergency services, merely that the market usually cannot provide them effectively.
That said, there's room for less government involvement as well as service improvement in various areas. Education, the fire brigade, healthcare and pensions--to name a few. And, of course, what counts are "socialist"? The courts? Because things like contract enforcement and tort law aren't going away.
In an ideological sense, no probably not as well. America has had socialist elements within its population and political system since at least the Progressive Era, typified by presidents like Herbert Hoover and public intellectuals like Upton Sinclair.
2785
« on: December 22, 2015, 09:41:33 AM »
Kylo Ren doesn't look at all intimidating, and his ears are too big. Finn is played for jokes, and at certain points it spoiled the atmosphere of the movie. The scene where Ren and Rey get separated as the planet falls apart is also bullshit.
Other than that, I actually really enjoyed the film. The scene where they destroy all the planets in a star system, and the death of Han Solo, were both fantastic and the battles were incredibly gripping.
Overall, good 8/10.
2786
« on: December 22, 2015, 05:18:11 AM »
Meta
I'd be the Greg House of moderators, you are aware of this?
2787
« on: December 22, 2015, 05:12:01 AM »
wait....he's back?
I thought he stopped making vids after the whole gamergate thing.
Ha, look at this skrub.
2788
« on: December 22, 2015, 04:50:28 AM »
Is blatant propaganda becoming the norm for American elections and politics now? Or has it always just been this way?
Is that propaganda?
2789
« on: December 21, 2015, 08:54:46 PM »
2790
« on: December 21, 2015, 06:16:44 PM »
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