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« on: June 05, 2015, 03:15:41 PM »
You're one dense motherfucker.  "Let's continue teaching kids to be uncomfortable about their gender identity!"
I don't understand this at all. What do you mean by it? If you mean that society shouldn't look down, shun, fire, abandon, kill, maim, humiliate (etc.) people/kids who want to transition, then I agree. If not, then I have no idea what you're on about.
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« on: June 05, 2015, 03:02:18 PM »
I'm not quite an expert, but wouldn't this be something along the lines of irony? Not remotely.
I just know how people ought to think. We ought not to make gender into the issue that it is.
I don't see how anyone could possibly disagree with that.
You're one dense motherfucker.
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« on: June 05, 2015, 02:57:31 PM »
Lol dude I think your lying to yourself if you think you would be okay with having a female body and your a guy now. Maybe for a day but you would probably kill yourself if you had to stay that way for a year or more. Oh, really? Okay.
Gee, I'm so glad that there's people out there who know how I think better than I do.
I'm not quite an expert, but wouldn't this be something along the lines of irony?
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« on: June 04, 2015, 10:36:02 PM »
Who knows
So much drama with the faggots trannies and weebs man
Even Groot?
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« on: June 03, 2015, 07:54:27 PM »
is there gender-specific neural architecture?...
There was something posted in another thread about that, yeah. On certain parts of the brain, FTM people have a mostly male pattern and MTF have one somewhere in-between male and female (IIRC it was worded something like "incomplete masculinization").
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« on: June 03, 2015, 07:49:52 PM »
the idea is to create an atmosphere for kids such that they wouldn't care about their identity
such that they wouldn't BECOME gender dysphoric
how would we do that? i don't know, but part of it is getting rid of transphobia
but that's what i'm saying
part of it also assumes the dysphoria isn't genetic, which, i don't see how something like that could be genetic
You would have to neutralize the architecture in the brain that is gender specific to wipe it out IIRC, and doing that post-birth is kind of like brainwashing... At that point you're beginning to kill the person for the sake of the body.
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« on: June 03, 2015, 06:36:24 PM »
If someone is uncomfertable with the body they are in due to a mental disorder they are gonna feel that way regardless of society. I don't think so, sorry.
If you were the last person on earth, you wouldn't give a flying fuck what you looked like.
Funny you should say that, because one of my irrational fears is having society collapse or the world end before I can get the funds/approval for SRS. I have above average intelligence (tested in school), didn't have any other condition, hadn't had any behavioral problems, and such, so I really didn't want to jump through all those hoops and talk to a psychologist to prove I was sane and suffered from gender dysphoria when I had already figured out what was wrong with me. So when I was 18 I started doing low level DIY hormone replacement after researching dosages, side effects, and the like.
IDK what else to tell you, besides gender roles have very little to do with my problems (and I don't really have a feminine personality, either).
the question i'm asking is, essentially, what would having a female form honestly do for your life
because i can't see how it would add anything
i don't want to pry, if this is getting too personal, by the way
i just don't see any value in having a male body or a female body--there's nothing
It would help alleviate this mismatched mind-body issue? I mean, the value is in not having to think about it so much and not being as distressed. And hey, maybe you're just one of those people who could be fine with either side, but apparently I'm not one of them.
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« on: June 03, 2015, 06:19:47 PM »
Because I can't stop thinking about it. It's annoying and distracting and sometimes it gets in the way of everyday life. But I'm not saying I'm suicidal over it (I'm not) but I can see why it happens so often.
i'm sorry, but that doesn't really answer my question
why can't you stop thinking about it--i need super super specifics in order to understand
*shrugs* I don't know and I don't really think I could explain it, since you've never experienced it and I've never not experienced it. I mean, I had the thought that I was "supposed" to be a girl when I was like 5. I can't remember much, but looking back, I can see that that was just the direction I would have headed had it not been reinforced that I was a boy. I didn't have any understanding of gender roles back then (at least not consciously) but I still knew something was wrong when nobody else I knew thought this way. This may sound really fucking melodramatic, but it felt like I was getting poisoned all throughout puberty. By age 11 I had already researched all about trans people and I had pretty much figured it out, so I knew the effects of testosterone I was getting would become more and more concrete and irreversible, but I still didn't do anything out of fear and denial (I didn't want to be affiliated with the stuff on Jerry Springer so I put it out of my head). I have above average intelligence (tested in school), didn't have any other condition, hadn't had any behavioral problems, and such, so I really didn't want to jump through all those hoops and talk to a psychologist to prove I was sane and suffered from gender dysphoria when I had already figured out what was wrong with me. So when I was 18 I started doing low level DIY hormone replacement after researching dosages, side effects, and the like. IDK what else to tell you, besides gender roles have very little to do with my problems (and I don't really have a feminine personality, either).
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« on: June 03, 2015, 06:05:40 PM »
I mean, through the eyes of someone with Gender Dysmorphia, gender isn't the problem; that is already down-pat. The body is the issue. i guess i just don't see why someone would care so much about it to the level where they'd want to change their body
why would it matter to anyone
i'm not saying you shouldn't want to change your body if you do--but why kill yourself over it
that's why i call it irrational
Because I can't stop thinking about it. It's annoying and distracting and sometimes it gets in the way of everyday life. But I'm not saying I'm suicidal over it (I'm not) but I can see why it happens so often.
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« on: June 03, 2015, 06:02:25 PM »
I'd like to throw out there that Gender Dysphoria is a subset of Body Dismorphic Disorder, a Somatoform/ Somatic Symptom Disorder. It's not as simple as eliminating the concept of gender; it's a problem of the brain not being able to reconcile what it perceives to be grave physical deformities. i honestly believe eliminating the concept of gender would indeed solve that problem--at least for the gender dysphoric
for those who have some other strictly bodily form of BDD, that's obviously a different story
You're plain wrong. The majority of my issues come from having a male-sexed body instead of a female one (not that I'm trying to speak for everyone, but...)
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« on: June 03, 2015, 05:31:47 PM »
gender dysphoria is nothing
gender is meaningless
it doesn't hurt you at all, in any way whatsoever, to feel like you belong in the opposite gender
and if someone is uncomfortable about their dysphoria, then that's their own problem
if you're not stupid, you won't give a fuck what your gender is
harsh, but true
Yeah, uh, gender dysphoria is actually something that exists and it can be the root of other mental problems (like depression). What is the attempted suicide rate for trans people? Like 40%? I really don't think stupidity has anything to do with it, Verbatim.
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« on: June 03, 2015, 05:07:52 PM »
So do I get access to SecondClass' account or what?
Class, I think it's time we be other people.
It's too late for that now, jerk
#noregrets
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« on: June 03, 2015, 05:06:17 PM »
Gender and sex are synonyms.
No offense, but if you think you're the other sex, you have a mental disease which needs to be cured. Not treated as an equal rights issue.
What would you propose for treatment, oh wise challenger?
Well Kiyo, I propose we start to view it in the manner it needs to be viewed in. Scientifically.
Many transgendered that change sex with operations and such still commit suicide. Clearly, playing along with their illness isn't doing them any favors.
We need to find a way to treat this problem. Maybe there's a way to alter hormones or something in the brain. I don't know. What I do know is that there's nothing good about transsexuality. It's a problem that needs to be solved.
That doesn't mean I disrespect transgenders or anything, just that I don't accept their cry of it being an equal rights issue. It isn't.
A stupidly-high percentage of trans people who get treatment improve, so I don't get where you're going when you say it isn't doing any favors. Shock therapy and hormone treatments (testosterone for MTF and estrogen for FTM) doesn't work. People have tried. I'm also not Kiyo, but I don't expect you to really change your mind about that 
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« on: June 03, 2015, 04:51:34 PM »
So do I get access to SecondClass' account or what?
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« on: June 03, 2015, 04:48:02 PM »
Gender and sex are synonyms.
No offense, but if you think you're the other sex, you have a mental disease which needs to be cured. Not treated as an equal rights issue.
What would you propose for treatment, oh wise challenger?
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« on: June 03, 2015, 04:19:04 PM »
There sre of course outliers and those who diviate from the norm And it's these outliers that disprove the entire notion that gender is biological. Because it isn't.
The only thing that's biological is testosterone and estrogen (and whatever other hormones may be more prevalent in men/women than the opposite sex--I feel like it might be more than just those two). Neither of which are strictly male or female hormones.
If outliars disprove the entire notion, then do intersexed people make sex a social construct?
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« on: June 03, 2015, 04:10:52 PM »
Gender (as in the mind and not the body [sex]) is at least partly biological, if not completely. It's innate and can't really be changed, as demonstrated in that example that was quoted with the boy with the botched surgery who was raised as a girl. The experiment itself was botched. You simply can't use it as an example.
It can easily be changed. Caitlyn Jenner much?
I don't get what you're trying to say. Jenner obviously had a female mind this whole time and then physically transitioned. Gender is innate but I'm not arguing that it can't be mismatched with the wrong sex (which is why trans people exist at all).
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« on: June 03, 2015, 04:04:17 PM »
ITT people confuse gender roles with gender.
Gender represents both the roles and behaviors perceived to be associated with their respective sexes. There's nothing biological about gender, by definition. These people are arguing established definitions, and it's just silly.
"THEY CUT A BOY'S PENIS OFF AND MADE HIM THINK HE WAS A GIRL, BUT THEN HE WASN'T A GIRL! THEREFORE, NOT A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT!"
durrr
Gender (as in the mind and not the body [sex]) is at least partly biological, if not completely. It's innate and can't really be changed, as demonstrated in that example that was quoted with the boy with the botched surgery who was raised as a girl.
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« on: June 03, 2015, 03:33:27 PM »
ITT people confuse gender roles with gender.
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« on: June 02, 2015, 12:02:34 AM »
This is wrong.
Why? It's like, her body mayne
I mean, sure, he has the right to do it. Doesn't make it any less disgusting, though.
Class, I think it's time we be other people.
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« on: June 02, 2015, 12:00:33 AM »
I am Groot.
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« on: June 01, 2015, 04:37:46 PM »
Ember starter pack
Oy, fgt! There is only one Groot.
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« on: May 29, 2015, 12:50:39 AM »
I am Groot?
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« on: May 28, 2015, 11:52:53 PM »
I am Groot.
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« on: May 24, 2015, 05:30:49 PM »
I don't have anyone muted.
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« on: May 24, 2015, 01:58:39 AM »
Making furniture out of wood triggers me.
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« on: May 23, 2015, 02:19:00 PM »
This guy cracks me up.
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« on: May 07, 2015, 11:37:39 PM »
You forgot the step where you kill yourself.
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« on: April 23, 2015, 06:48:07 PM »
Look if, you want to e called a woman because you got your dick cut off, okay. I'll do that. But that doesn't change the fact that you have XY chromosomes. You ARE male, whether you like it or not.
Sex and gender aren't the same thing
Which is exactly why I said what I did in my first sentence. However, just because you dress up or make alterations to your body doesn't change your sex.
Your whole argument seems to be riding on chromosomes, like they're the be all end all, but there is more to it than that (and they're not even important once you're born). You can be male or female or somewhere in between on these (which are physical and observable): - Chromosomes
- Genitals
- Body chemistry
- Bone structure
- Fat/muscle distribution
- etc.
These are all physical qualities and none of them are as absolute as you make them out to be. After all, xxy (and several others that I forgot about) exist and come with all sorts of uncommon physical attributes. Also, I am Groot.
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« on: April 16, 2015, 04:32:37 PM »
I am Groot.
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