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Serious / Re: Why do Republicunts enjoy fucking the entire country over?
« on: September 01, 2014, 04:43:19 PM »
Another thing, it's kind of funny that the guy who wrote this has a problem with the general population being described as "the bewildered herd":
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Jonathan Haidt came along a few years later and conducted a similar study within both America and Brazil. He found, in both countries, that the less educated and more destitute had a higher propensity to be sociocentric and thus moralise more (like claiming that cutting up the American flag is universally wrong). Whereas the more educated and more prosperous people were more individualist, and permissive of actions which violated social convention, but didn't harm anyone.

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Serious / Re: Why do Republicunts enjoy fucking the entire country over?
« on: September 01, 2014, 04:34:48 PM »
I should've made that more clear.

Narrowly focused pertains to the Internet; he's really quite ignorant.

Feelings have nothing to do with it. He's described the general population as the bewildered herd, and he's rife with contempt. I can see why'd you want to agree with him on that though, out of pure fear of intellectual inadequacy.
I can see why you're so willing to defend dumb people on the internet, you being one of them.

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Serious / Re: Why do Republicunts enjoy fucking the entire country over?
« on: September 01, 2014, 04:28:51 PM »
He's an unoriginal, narrowly focused and arrogant one-trick pony.
That has nothing to do with his thoughts on the internet, but okay.

I posted that quote because it's an accurate summation of the American political system, I don't really care about how original his opinions are or how much he hurts your feelings with his arrogance.

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Serious / Re: Why do Republicunts enjoy fucking the entire country over?
« on: September 01, 2014, 04:21:49 PM »
This, pretty much.

Noam's understanding of the Internet is fucking abominable.
Why? Because he thinks it's full of idiots?

He's not wrong.

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Serious / Re: Why do Republicunts enjoy fucking the entire country over?
« on: September 01, 2014, 04:15:32 PM »
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These Negroes, they‘re getting pretty uppity these days and that‘s a problem for us since they‘ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we‘ve got to do something about this, we‘ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.
Replace "negroes" with "workers" and you've got a nice summary of the history of social democracy.
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Let me guess, Chomsky?
Yes.

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Serious / Re: Why do Republicunts enjoy fucking the entire country over?
« on: September 01, 2014, 04:09:10 PM »
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In the United States, the political system is a very marginal affair. There are two parties, so-called, but they're really factions of the same party, the Business Party. Both represent some range of business interests. In fact, they can change their positions 180 degrees, and nobody even notices. In the 1984 election, for example, there was actually an issue, which often there isn't. The issue was Keynesian growth versus fiscal conservatism. The Republicans were the party of Keynesian growth: big spending, deficits, and so on. The Democrats were the party of fiscal conservatism: watch the money supply, worry about the deficits, et cetera. Now, I didn't see a single comment pointing out that the two parties had completely reversed their traditional positions. Traditionally, the Democrats are the party of Keynesian growth, and the Republicans the party of fiscal conservatism. So doesn't it strike you that something must have happened? Well, actually, it makes sense. Both parties are essentially the same party. The only question is how coalitions of investors have shifted around on tactical issues now and then. As they do, the parties shift to opposite positions, within a narrow spectrum.

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Serious / Re: This is what a supporter of Scottish Independence looks like
« on: September 01, 2014, 04:04:33 PM »
As a counterpoint, this thread is what the No Movement looks like.

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Serious / Re: Post facts which surprised you
« on: September 01, 2014, 03:59:56 PM »
You want to be a politician?

Shit, that explains everything.

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Serious / Re: We need to stop paying ransom to terrorist organisation
« on: September 01, 2014, 03:57:37 PM »
We already sold them their weapons, why not see this thing all the way through?

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Serious / Re: If you had to pick one label for yourself, what would it be?
« on: September 01, 2014, 03:16:49 PM »
remember kids, the higher your GPA is, the bigger your penis is

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Serious / Re: So I was on the Green Party website
« on: September 01, 2014, 11:37:10 AM »
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1. The concept of Communism is to get rid of social classes and government and makes the means of production as common ownership among the people. Those countries exhibited a government and were never truly communist
Not quite, socialism is an attempt to get rid of social class, communism is the hypothetical end result.

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2. As I said, humans are greedy and will wrestle for control when there's an empty political vacuum. What better what to induce such behavior with a system that has no authority ti stop people from trying to take over? The concept of communism is the best system, when it's written on paper that is
A truly socialist system would have no power vacuum, the workers would have all the power.

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3. These countries went directly from a feudalistic, or feudalistic-type society, directly to a communist one. Karl Marx expressed that society must go through stages in order to reach communism and one of them is capitalism. Ever heard of his saying "Democracy is the road to socialism."?
I've heard Marxists make the same argument. This isn't a criticism of socialism, it's a criticism of Leninism/Maoism.

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Serious / Re: So I was on the Green Party website
« on: September 01, 2014, 11:09:01 AM »
Getting rid of bad media or inheritance tax?
Getting rid of corporate welfare.

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Serious / Re: So I was on the Green Party website
« on: September 01, 2014, 11:06:49 AM »
And replace it with what? Socialism? Communism? First off human nature is to be greedy, just look at the nations that called themselves Communist (Cuba, China, Vietnam, North Korea, Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc nations, etc) they all fell victim to a few elite taking control of the nation and wealth and treating the people like shit but utilized brainwashing to make them think they were living a good life. Not only was life terrible under these systems but goods and services were shit also as there were no companies competing to drive innovation, quality improvement, cheap prices, etc. Because human nature is to want things (being greedy) it's the very reason why capitalism, and capitalistic-like systems, have always flourished, it allows everybody to want instead of a small few who then turn to controlling the masses
I would argue that the problem with all those countries is that the state wrested control of the means of production away from the workers after the revolution.

And as shitty as Cuba is, it's still a much better place to live than most South American countries.

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Serious / Re: So I was on the Green Party website
« on: September 01, 2014, 10:56:33 AM »
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As for the media? Oh well, first amendment. There's a broad range of information available from a number of sources, if you don't like it then you're perfectly free to look elsewhere for information.

Inheritance tax should be abolished; it hurts the middle-class the most. Countries like Sweden have done fine without it.
Then this kind of attitude isn't conducive to getting rid of it.

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Serious / Re: So I was on the Green Party website
« on: September 01, 2014, 10:47:42 AM »
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So long as all of those institutions remain in place, elections will always be rigged to the advantage of the corporate plutocracy.
^see above

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Getting rid of corporate welfare would eliminate most, if not all, of the incentives to lobby or donate
Not really, corporations will always have incentive to support politicians that are in favour of legislation that benefits them.

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Serious / Re: So I was on the Green Party website
« on: September 01, 2014, 10:42:18 AM »
Even without corporate welfare, you would still have to take into account the existence of lobbying, campaign donations, and privately-owned mass media.

So long as all of those institutions remain in place, elections will always be rigged to the advantage of the corporate plutocracy.

Edit: Also, inheritance.

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Serious / Re: So I was on the Green Party website
« on: September 01, 2014, 10:31:05 AM »
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the government is bloated and there are so many points-of-access.
For the rich, yes. For everyone else the problem is too few points of access.

I suppose you could make the argument that rich people will end up controlling the system regardless, but the obvious solution to that problem would be to do away with capitalism.

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Serious / Re: So I was on the Green Party website
« on: September 01, 2014, 10:02:09 AM »
No, because under this system citizens would have a say in how things are run, as opposed to being dependent on the whims of an insular ruling class.

That equals less power for the state, not more.

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Serious / Re: So I was on the Green Party website
« on: September 01, 2014, 09:38:05 AM »

Still not seeing how that translates to more state power.

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Serious / Re: So I was on the Green Party website
« on: September 01, 2014, 09:29:58 AM »
I've said on many occasions I'm not a straight-up liberty-or-death libertarian.

The point is that the more you transfer powers and abilities into government structures, the more you will need representatives to be accountable and the more convoluted it'll be. All I'm advocating is divorcing the political structure from the social one, and just allowing people to get the fuck on with their lives.

Considering you anti-Statist persuasions, I'm sure you can at least concede to that.


I'm not sure how you're making the jump from more accountability from elected representatives to transferring power to government structures.

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Serious / Re: So, I'm talking to a BNP supporter.
« on: September 01, 2014, 08:13:34 AM »
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at the very very least, very least. I would deport every single one, immediately
as in, get the army, round them up, send them to dover
france loves gypsies, they can take care of them
Huh, that sounds vaguely familiar, I wonder where I've heard that sentiment before...

oh right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion

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Serious / Re: So I was on the Green Party website
« on: September 01, 2014, 08:06:41 AM »
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The way I think about it is that the best person to represent you is you. If you leave it that way you don't need representatives to be fully accountable in the first place.
This is how naive libertarians actually are.

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Serious / Re: If you happen to be feminine, I'm sacking you all!
« on: August 28, 2014, 04:02:55 PM »
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Clearly written by some artsy fartsy lefty who's probably got a degree in something like photography - but rather amusing nether the less.

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Serious / Re: Ukraine update: The Rebellion Strikes Back.
« on: August 27, 2014, 04:18:24 PM »
I'm rather fond of entropy. You know, chaos, collapse, deterioration, and all that jazz. Just as the English novelist Thomas Hardy said " My argument is that War makes rattling good history; but Peace is poor reading." Seriously, would you rather learn about The Pig War

(started when a British infantryman shot a pig that was wandering on American soil. The local American militia responded by gathering at the border and waiting for the British to make a move. Eventually the British apologized and the brief war ended, leaving the pig as the only casualty. Lasted for 4 months in 1859)

and the The War Of The Oaken Bucket

(a rivalry between the independent city states of Modena and Bologna spiraled out of control over the most unlikely of things: a wooden bucket. The trouble started when a band of Modena soldiers raided Bologna and stole a large wooden bucket. The raid was successful, but Bologna, wishing to secure both its bucket and its pride, declared war on Modena. The war raged on for twelve whole years but Bologna never did manage to get its bucket back. To this day the bucket is still stored in Modena’s bell tower.)

or something boring like the history of women rights or the Harlem Renaissance?
ids habbenign

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There's more Australians fighting for terrorist organizations than any other nation.
that's not a nice thing to say about the liberal party :(

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Serious / Re: Your political opinions which make people rage
« on: August 26, 2014, 11:06:36 PM »
Ah, replace an international union with a trans-national military organization?

I guess I could see the benefit of that, if you lean towards the Machiavelli school of thought.

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translation: frenchman tries to give britain the finger and can't come up with a better excuse

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Serious / Re: The Good, the Bad and the Miliband
« on: August 26, 2014, 07:08:07 PM »
>hitch slapped applied to hitch's retarded brother

jesus christ

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Nobody cares. We all know you're just an alt of Kinder. Shut up.
Joke's on you, I'm actually lonepaul.

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