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Serious / Re: Thoughts on this?
« on: November 22, 2016, 11:33:53 PM »
Every article I've seen about this explicitly mentions ties to right extremism. Is there any question that the connections are there?
Are you asking if the guy was a right wing extremist, or if he has connections to right extremism as a whole?

If it's the latter, then doubtful, but my impression is most right wing violence is lone-wolf anyway. My understanding is that the networks just don't exist in a form that would allow organized violence to occur (outside of skinhead gangs). Considering the circles I've frequented, I believe I'd have encountered some people involved in that if it did occur.

There is nobody to act as an apologist for right wingers if they do something stupid like kill innocent bystanders. For this reason, I think, most are smart enough to avoid violent methods. They'd do more harm than good for their causes.

Was the guy an extremist himself? It seems like it to me, based on the fact that he has this memorabilia and actually carried out an act of political violence.

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It justifies gang rape and I have 4 seconds left.

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Serious / Re: Report: Trump Meeting with News Executives doesn't go well
« on: November 22, 2016, 10:54:18 AM »
Reportedly.

I have a lot of trouble believing anything that comes from these people lately.

In fairness, a separate source for Politico paints a different image

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President-elect Donald Trump on Monday told a group of about 25 television executives and anchors that he wants a “cordial” and “productive” relationship with the media, according to one source in the room, but he still aired some grievances during the off-the-record gathering in Trump Tower.

The source said the meeting started with a typical Trump complaint about the “dishonest media,” and that he specifically singled out CNN and NBC News for example as “the worst.”

He also complained about photos of himself that NBC used that he found unflattering, the source said.

Trump turned to NBC News President Deborah Turness at one point, the source said, and told her the network won’t run a nice picture of him, instead choosing “this picture of me,” as he made a face with a double chin. Turness replied that they had a “very nice” picture of him on their website at the moment.
This adversarial relationship is worrying.

How so?
It's generally assumed that a free press will (or should) keep the general public informed about the activities of the state in a nonpartisan manner.

It's one thing to have large segments of the population distrust the press (and we already have that), but having an openly adversarial relationship between major media outlets and our federal government is bizarre. I don't really know what to expect. Having press outlets that shill for the government like BBC or RT is one thing, because you can dismiss a lot as propaganda. But when you have a press and a state that shit on each other, where do normies go to find out who to trust?

I myself have little faith in our supposedly independent media, but I feel fairly well-informed through the various networks and boards I frequent. What about people who don't have that, though? It doesn't bode well.

The thing that a lot of people don't understand, and this goes for both liberals and conservatives, is that negative coverage is not biased coverage. That also pairs with people generally relying on one or two sources of media to get their news; Fox News and Breitbart are (arguably) as accurate and biased as CNN and MSNBC - but because they run positive stories on their audience's preferred candidate and bash the other side, conservatives view them as more fair and truthful.

Americans (and I include myself in this to a degree after this election with polling) have put themselves into an echo chamber where you hear people you agree with, support that view, and denounce anyone else as unfair, liars, biased. It's not solely the fault of the media for this - people just do not conduct critical thinking and research in a world of instant news 24/7.

That being said, I do find myself in agreement with a lot of critics that the media overfocused on a number of trivial issues.
Do you see this changing or do you think the situation will deteriorate further?

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The Flood / Re: KANYE
« on: November 22, 2016, 10:37:29 AM »
/ourguy/

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Serious / Re: Report: Trump Meeting with News Executives doesn't go well
« on: November 22, 2016, 10:35:01 AM »
Reportedly.

I have a lot of trouble believing anything that comes from these people lately.

In fairness, a separate source for Politico paints a different image

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President-elect Donald Trump on Monday told a group of about 25 television executives and anchors that he wants a “cordial” and “productive” relationship with the media, according to one source in the room, but he still aired some grievances during the off-the-record gathering in Trump Tower.

The source said the meeting started with a typical Trump complaint about the “dishonest media,” and that he specifically singled out CNN and NBC News for example as “the worst.”

He also complained about photos of himself that NBC used that he found unflattering, the source said.

Trump turned to NBC News President Deborah Turness at one point, the source said, and told her the network won’t run a nice picture of him, instead choosing “this picture of me,” as he made a face with a double chin. Turness replied that they had a “very nice” picture of him on their website at the moment.
This adversarial relationship is worrying.

How so?
It's generally assumed that a free press will (or should) keep the general public informed about the activities of the state in a nonpartisan manner.

It's one thing to have large segments of the population distrust the press (and we already have that), but having an openly adversarial relationship between major media outlets and our federal government is bizarre. I don't really know what to expect. Having press outlets that shill for the government like BBC or RT is one thing, because you can dismiss a lot as propaganda. But when you have a press and a state that shit on each other, where do normies go to find out who to trust?

I myself have little faith in our supposedly independent media, but I feel fairly well-informed through the various networks and boards I frequent. What about people who don't have that, though? It doesn't bode well.

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Serious / Re: Report: Trump Meeting with News Executives doesn't go well
« on: November 22, 2016, 10:22:54 AM »
Reportedly.

I have a lot of trouble believing anything that comes from these people lately.

In fairness, a separate source for Politico paints a different image

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President-elect Donald Trump on Monday told a group of about 25 television executives and anchors that he wants a “cordial” and “productive” relationship with the media, according to one source in the room, but he still aired some grievances during the off-the-record gathering in Trump Tower.

The source said the meeting started with a typical Trump complaint about the “dishonest media,” and that he specifically singled out CNN and NBC News for example as “the worst.”

He also complained about photos of himself that NBC used that he found unflattering, the source said.

Trump turned to NBC News President Deborah Turness at one point, the source said, and told her the network won’t run a nice picture of him, instead choosing “this picture of me,” as he made a face with a double chin. Turness replied that they had a “very nice” picture of him on their website at the moment.
This adversarial relationship is worrying.

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Serious / Re: Thoughts on this?
« on: November 22, 2016, 10:19:30 AM »
I don't think it necessarily suggests a murder is going to happen. Most right-wingers tend to be "muh law" types.

I think it is a pretty good indicator of political activity though. Nobody with a Reichsadler statue is going to be apolitical.

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Serious / Re: Report: Trump Meeting with News Executives doesn't go well
« on: November 22, 2016, 10:12:35 AM »
Reportedly.

I have a lot of trouble believing anything that comes from these people lately.

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The Flood / Re: I don't care about GMOs
« on: November 20, 2016, 11:35:32 PM »
knew it

the class that founded SU would never be such a fag unironically

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The Flood / DO YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE REEEEEE
« on: November 20, 2016, 11:12:03 PM »
YouTube


SINGING THE SONG OF NAZI FROGS

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Steven Mnuchin? Rudy Giuliani?

Trump tried pushing himself as anti-establishment and then hires some of the most establishment politicians out there.
I'll reserve judgement for the time when we know exactly who's going to be in what office. It seems to me like he's trying to surround himself with loyalists, wherever they came from.
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And dont even get me started on Steve Bannon. Ignorant jew hating white nationalists have no place in the executive branch or any branch for that matter.
Fun fact- most of the really edgy shit on Breitbart comes from Milo, who is a gay jew.

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Serious / Re: One good thing about Trump
« on: November 18, 2016, 12:28:35 AM »
Racism ends up flowing both ways, when a lot of identity politics exists then it does not matter who you are, just being different can make you a target.

Also Isreal is so far removed from American Jews they are a in sense two different groups that share a religion but come from different spectrums when it comes to policies.

Still though how does one convert to Judaism. That's one thing I keep hearing is possible but seems to only occur from some fringe sects of Judaism. And as far as it is concerned a convert will never be considered a true Jew,  as Judaism is a religion entertwined to a race. Where the main factor on whether you are a Jew or not is based on your Mother being a Jew. If your dad is a Jew and your mom is not, you are usually not considered a Jew.


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Pretty much all sects of Judaism readily accept converts. It is supposed to be difficult, though. Traditionally, a Rabbi is supposed to turn down a prospective convert three times before allowing them to begin the process. Unlike Christianity or Islam, which advocate evangelism and the sharing of their messages, Judaism has more of a "the smart ones know we're right and will come to us" attitude. You have to really want it to become a Jew.

Also differing from Christianity or Islam, converting to Judaism necessarily means joining the Jewish nation. It is very much an ethnoreligion in its understanding that once you convert, you have abandoned your past ethnicity and are now a part of the Jewish tribe.

For this reason, converts are actually supposed to be treated with special respect in Judaism, because they've supposedly seen the truth for themselves instead of being born into it. Religious Jews are under no circumstances to discriminate against converts, although the more secular nationalist elements of the Jewish community might view converts with suspicion.

t. I looked into it a longass time ago

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Serious / Re: Jon Stewart is a smart man.
« on: November 17, 2016, 11:13:39 AM »
imagine if these people won this election


they would be pointing and laughing at us for the next 8 years. there would be no "thoughtful" reflection on "what this election really means"

 Now the smart ones have resumed pretending not to hate us -- don't fall for it.

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Serious / Jon Stewart is a smart man.
« on: November 17, 2016, 11:07:50 AM »
YouTube


He doesn't mean what he says here, though. The guy had a fucking meltdown when he went back on his sinking show and painted Trump and all of his supporters as trying to "take their country back" which he, of course, presented as "kill all the browns and blacks." For fucks sake, he even pulled the "I'm going to Canada" card over how Trump and his supporters would literally destroy this country and hunt down the evil liberals. He got caught with his pants down, hand in the cookie jar and egg on his face because of his smugness and- just like Maher and half of the liberal pundits in the media- he is scrambling to regain his aura of "reasonable middle ground liberal who espouses far left ideals." At this point the reactions to Trump have been either complete meltdown and blame throwing (Colbert, Oliver, SJWs) or "I never really cared either way and certainly never insulted Trump supporters when I was so sure of a Clinton victory" (Stewart, Maher).

I did appreciate the sleight of hand in conflating ethnicity with culture. Also the implication that his people are actually trying to make a multi-ethnic democracy work as opposed to using race as a wedge issue to consolidate minority groups behind Leftist causes. Clever.

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Serious / Re: One good thing about Trump
« on: November 17, 2016, 10:58:41 AM »
But Jews are ALWAYS anti ethnic cleansing.
Bruh
Israel.
Remember the motto, bro. "Multiculturalism for them, a single ethnic and homogonous white Jewish nation for us."
Seriously, Israel even has problems with inter-Jewish racism. Ethiopian jews and Mizrahi get treated like shit in favor of Ashkenazi jews.

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Serious / Re: Trump vs Clinton's America
« on: November 16, 2016, 04:23:28 PM »
Remove Urbanite

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Serious / Re: In defence of populism
« on: November 16, 2016, 03:04:27 PM »
I know neocon means neoconservative, but what exactly do they stand for? Like, who is the person who inspired their ideology? Is it like old school Republicans?
Neocons are your George Bush and Dick Cheney types. Interventionist, imperialist foreign policy blended with conservative domestic policies.

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Serious / Re: In defence of populism
« on: November 16, 2016, 02:50:02 PM »
So Trump is bad because he's crude and he shows no respect for muh institutions?

Good. Fuck the lofty elites and their tone and their discourse.

Fuck Trotskyist neoliberals and fuck neocons too.

The cry of "anti-Intellectualism!" typically comes from an intellectual class that sorely needs to be taught a lesson.

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Serious / Re: Mike Pence facing his own emails scandal
« on: November 16, 2016, 12:10:02 PM »
Mike "bringing my AR to the gay bar" Pence.
Mike "Touch a willy and I'll zap you silly" Pence

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Serious / Re: Yes, the Swamp will be Drained
« on: November 16, 2016, 07:23:09 AM »
Good news, but I haven't even bought into the speculation stuff either. All we can honestly do is just sit and wait while we twiddle our thumbs. I will say however, that I'm glad Christie is nowhere near any position in Washington.
Christie belongs in a prison cell.

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The Flood / Australians even shitpost IRL to world leaders
« on: November 15, 2016, 11:48:50 PM »
YouTube

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Serious / Yes, the Swamp will be Drained
« on: November 15, 2016, 11:20:23 PM »

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-transition-team-lobbyists-2016-11
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Vice President-elect Mike Pence reportedly ordered the removal of all lobbyists from president-elect Donald Trump's transition team, The Wall Street Journal wrote on Tuesday night.

The decision was one of Pence's first since formally taking over the team's lead role. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie was abruptly dismissed from the post last week.

Concern trolls BTFO. Lobbyists BTFO.

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Serious / Re: One good thing about Trump
« on: November 15, 2016, 11:15:52 PM »
Pro Israel =/= Pro Jew.
His daughter converted to Judaism and he comes just short of bragging about it. Nobody is buying this "Trump is a nazi" meme.

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Also, the Jews have heard similar rhetoric to Trump's before.
This is the Serious board.

And that's a serious statement. His rhetoric could easily have been taken for ethnic cleansing. And some people did take it that way.

You're gonna sit there and tell me David Duke, and the Klan, supported Trump because of his fiscal policy? Trump's campaign rhetoric, sincere or not, opened some very dangerous doors.
They backed Trump because he wants to deport illegals and has condemned groups like BLM. His support for Israel is actually a bit divisive; some of the more tinfoil elements of the right think he's just another "Jewish agent".

Donald Trump is probably a lot of things, but he's not an antisemite.

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"Prease mistah Trump, no redo trade deaer. China want make Amerca great again too. No tariffs prease"

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Serious / Re: One good thing about Trump
« on: November 15, 2016, 09:53:01 PM »
Pro Israel =/= Pro Jew.
His daughter converted to Judaism and he comes just short of bragging about it. Nobody is buying this "Trump is a nazi" meme.

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Also, the Jews have heard similar rhetoric to Trump's before.
This is the Serious board.

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Serious / Re: One good thing about Trump
« on: November 15, 2016, 09:34:53 PM »
Trump is the most pro-Israel Zionist you'll find in American politics.

This is nonsensical.

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The biggest redpill you'll ever take is realizing that homosexuality is just a fetish.
is it a redpill if it's the most obvious thing ever
I don't think it occurs to most people that promoting or opposing gay rights is equivalent to promoting or opposing foot fetish or chubby chaser rights.

It means absolutely fucking nothing. It does not matter what turns your cabinet members on, so long as they aren't degenerates carrying out strange shit.

"Sexual orientation" is a load of horseshit. Everybody has sexual preferences. Making it a part of your identity is probably one of the most retarded, autistic things you can do.

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The biggest redpill you'll ever take is realizing that homosexuality is just a fetish.

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MRCTV is an online media platform designed to broadcast conservative values, culture, politics, liberal media bias, and entertainment to a new and diverse audience on a social media optimized site.

The Facebook news websites are about as good as this one.
Are you saying this story didn't happen, or that the article puts an unfair spin on it?

The take away from this story is pretty clear, it doesn't matter who published it, IMO.

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