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1741
« on: March 23, 2016, 03:23:27 AM »
Too tired to respond to all of these now. PM me about it during the day.
Goodnight.
Just do yourself a favor and take some time to seriously think about why you believe what you do.
1742
« on: March 23, 2016, 03:19:46 AM »
It's a shitty buzzword as far as I'm concerned.
Then why worry about it
1743
« on: March 23, 2016, 03:16:25 AM »
The single worst attack on national soil since World War 2 just took place a few hours ago in two areas I've set foot in dozens of times, less than half an hour from my home. 34 people are dead and a few hundred severely injured, which if altered to accurately represent deaths per capita would equal over a 1000 dead in the US or 200 in France. This is going down in history as a "where were you when..." kind of day that people will never forget and that will definitely and significantly change the country and the EU for years to come. I don't really think any song could accurately describe this.
We'll get them ragheaded fucks, bro.
It's starting to get annoying how I see a post and think of a way to respond, only to find DAS has already posted basically the same thing. Stop being the same person as me DAS.
1744
« on: March 23, 2016, 03:11:32 AM »
Because like Santa Claus, God is that for adults. Its a way to control and keep people in line. If you're talking about the role of the authoritative Other, yeah, God does that in the way spooked ideas do to those who aren't religious. Doesn't have any bearing on the religion, and it isn't some conspiracy to keep the proles in line, maaan. Wait what the fuck does that have to do with Santa I don't believe in any greater power and I'm a man of science lmao r u b8ing me I don't have faith in anything. Praying will never solve your problems. Its all under probability. You do though. You just called yourself a man of science. Is that your banner? Everything that has ever happened in this world, in this solar system, this universe, was all by chance.
Just like how there is a chance that when you flip a coin it will land on either heads or tales. Probability. You have not yet explained why you think this. As far as god goes, there is no probability of him existing at all. Stop. Secretly every priest knows this. Obviously. Religion itself is nothing more but a tool to control people This explains everything, really. Of course it's all a conspiracy. , people that follow or go to church are generally sheep, Yes, generally, but not for the reasons you think. because they believe they will go to hell and have to deal with the devil. This is religion at its most base and hedonistic form. Barbarian religions like Islam are based on this. Christianity is above it, although many Christians don't realize it. You still haven't clarified why they're wrong about hell and the devil, though. Hell and the devil don't exist either. okay The only reason why there are people that believe in a god or heaven is because nobody in truth knows what happens to us exactly after we die. Generally, our bodies start to decay. Its one of the biggest mysteries in life and its unknown, and that scares people. You generalize. I don't really give a fuck about what happens after I die (heaven doesn't sound half bad though). I am religious today because I am concerned about my life. Personally, I believe after death, we go back to where we were before we were born. Before we were even conceived.
Non existence. Erased from life entirely.
Why you think this though.
1745
« on: March 23, 2016, 02:47:31 AM »
I don't believe in any deity and I never will.
y tho. Give me something more substantial than "God's not real".
1746
« on: March 23, 2016, 02:37:33 AM »
Because fuck your magical bearded Santa Claus in the sky. I'm gonna pray for you brah.
If god was real he'd be the biggest dick in existence.
You're trying to project secular morailty (ironically derived from religious values) onto an entity that is far beyond your comprehensive ability.
It doesn't matter what fucking humanism would have to say about God, He's God, and to turn away from Him because of His rating based on some spooked out ""enlightenement"" moral system is stupid as fuck.
Deci got his entire conception of religion from YouTube atheist vloggers.
He always regurgitates others. I don't think he's ever looked inward about anything.
It's my fault for taking the b8
1747
« on: March 23, 2016, 02:11:27 AM »
God isn't real.
DUDE ONLY THAT WHICH MY LIMITED SENSORY AND INTELLECTUAL ABILITIES CAN CONCLUSIVELY CONFIRM TO EXIST IN A FORM OBSERVABLE BY ME IS WORTH MY TIME LMAO DIBS BEDORA HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF HUMAN SPIRITUALITY ARE MERELY THE DELUDED RAMBLINGS OF APES AFRAID TO DIE LMAO
1748
« on: March 23, 2016, 02:06:54 AM »
Because fuck your magical bearded Santa Claus in the sky. I'm gonna pray for you brah. If god was real he'd be the biggest dick in existence.
You're trying to project secular morailty (ironically derived from religious values) onto an entity that is far beyond your comprehensive ability. It doesn't matter what fucking humanism would have to say about God, He's God, and to turn away from Him because of His rating based on some spooked out ""enlightenement"" moral system is stupid as fuck.
1749
« on: March 23, 2016, 01:35:46 AM »
Why is actively atheistic music such edgy shit?
1750
« on: March 23, 2016, 01:16:03 AM »
Praise Odin!
Neopagans are a bad meme
1751
« on: March 23, 2016, 01:13:33 AM »
Door, I'm curious as to why you have chosen Orthodoxy over other denominations? The Orthodox notion of Theosis first and foremost. It is desirable to me and I find it more practically and theologically impressive than the idea of Christianity as a way to get into eternal fun and hedonism land in the sky. The idea of Christianity as a path to get closer to God is extremely appealing to me personally, as a way to both fulfill AND transcend my egoistic and self-serving nature. By seeking salvation and closeness to God, I am able to act in my self-interest while also working toward escaping and transcending my inherently self-serving and sinful nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis_%28Eastern_Orthodox_theology%29Aside from that, I find the worship style much more spiritually uplifting and engaging than the sermons and praise bands I grew up on. The saturday night Vespers services in particular always make my heart sing. From a practical standpoint, I find the use of iconography and veneration of saints helpful. It helps add a kind of "system" or structure to my faith, and I often look to the stories of saints for inspiration. When you worship in an Orthodox church, you are surrounded not only by your fellow Christians on earth, but by all of the saints and angels there have ever been. I also respect the Orthodox Church's claims to legitimacy, although I am more skeptical about it than most converts probably are. I am also very supportive of the use of tradition (big T and small t tradition) as a guide when interpreting and practicing Christianity. I myself am in denominational limbo; I have been looking at the teachings of different denominations and trying to decide which best fits.
Consider Orthodoxy. Visit an Orthodox service (vespers is probably better than liturgy, if you like a smaller and more simple service. Liturgy is usually bigger, more grand and crowded). I'm not going to tell you it's the best kind of Christianity and you're dumb for not joining, that's really up to God to say, but it is definitely worth a try.
1752
« on: March 23, 2016, 12:58:24 AM »
Wasn't the Judaism thing already refuted on like page 1 or something? Not sure what you're referencing. I did comment that Judaism as a religion has lost its teeth, but nowhere has the claim that the Old Testament is equivalent to the Torah been refuted. And no, I think because it's so old and outdated, it's easier to manipulate. That doesn't really make sense. Can you elaborate? Romans aren't around, so there is no point in referencing them. I was making a point about the notion that something being modern or pre-modern has any bearing on it's moral or ethical qualities. Rome is a good HBO show though, I like your avatar.
I will forever hate HBO for cancelling the show and causing Season 2 to be so seriously bungled.
1753
« on: March 23, 2016, 12:16:49 AM »
When I say renaissance, I mean just it being re-written and re-taught to fit a more modern age and modern way of thinking. So watered down and bent to suit the current political narrative. It'd hardly be Islam at that point. The book is still written in the exact text it was when it was first around. Muslims want you to think this, but it's probably not true. I don't doubt the book has been consistent for a very long time, but we have no Qur'ans dating from Mohammed's lifetime, and the man himself was illiterate IIRC. That simply can't happen. If the Old Testament was still being taught, along with its practices, things would be a little odd. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JudaismIslam as a whole is very archaic and that's bad if you ask me.
Please no chronological snobbery. You'd all probably love Roman paganism. Very big on civil service, lots of sex and wine and other fun things. Old doesn't mean bad. Frankly, most of the *new* shit is tainted by "enlightenment" faggotry.
1754
« on: March 23, 2016, 12:09:21 AM »
1755
« on: March 22, 2016, 11:40:39 PM »
and hasn't gone through a renaissance. I'm going to start praying for this meme to go away. It's fucking ass. The reformation, renaissance, enlightenment etc DID NOT MAKE CHRISTIANITY ANY MORE OR LESS INHERENTLY VIOLENT THAN IT WAS BEFORE. CHRISTIANITY ESTABLISHES A GENUINELY PEACEFUL WORLDVIEW THAT WAS LATER ADAPTED FOR VIOLENCE AND WARFARE BY THE RULING ELITE. ALMOST ALL OF THE EARLY SAINTS WERE PACIFIST MARTYRS AND THEOLOGIANS. ALL THESE CULTURAL CHANGES DID WAS SHIFT THE IDEOLOGICAL BURDEN FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY FROM CHRISTIANITY, MEANING THE RELIGION WAS LESS IMPORTANT WHEN JUSTIFYING VIOLENCE. NO LONGER WAS VIOLENCE JUSTIFIED BECAUSE THE TARGETS WERE ARIANS, CATHARS, CATHOLICS ETC. YOU COULD START TO USE SECULAR "REASON" AND IDEOLOGIES LIKE REPUBLICANISM, RACISM, NATIONALISM, ETC. Much easier to manipulate it's teachings.
This is probably the actual main reason. Islam's structure and traditions seem more conducive to religious violence.
1756
« on: March 22, 2016, 09:03:27 PM »
Based Saint Mark, based Patriarch Kirill
1757
« on: March 22, 2016, 08:48:57 PM »
I'd rather listen to some chickenhawks talk about big sticks.
Dude talking about big sticks is fun as fuck
/k/ all day erryday
Don't you have some helicopter rides to give out or some camo short shorts for removing watermelons to wear?
1758
« on: March 22, 2016, 08:42:55 PM »
I'd rather listen to some chickenhawks talk about big sticks.
Dude talking about big sticks is fun as fuck /k/ all day erryday
1759
« on: March 22, 2016, 05:18:26 PM »
What exactly does that accomplish?
Discourages degenerate behavior.
You'll find that discouragement is a form of encouragement in our lovely society.
Largely because the nature of our crackdowns neuters them. The war on drugs was a failure because, while the dealers and producers suffered from extensive punishment, life was easy for the users, who can easily evade detection, and who aren't punished as significantly as the dealers. This means that while dealing is discouraged, use isn't as dangerous, and indeed becomes a popular "rogue" behavior, beloved in parts of the public eye. This allows for the existence of a market. The market must be destroyed if you want to actually fight use. You have to make users fear for their lives. This worked pretty well for tobacco, but an active, rather than passive, threats would be more useful. "We'll fucking shoot you" beats "You might get cancer" any day.
1760
« on: March 22, 2016, 05:09:12 PM »
What exactly does that accomplish?
Discourages degenerate behavior.
1761
« on: March 22, 2016, 05:04:02 PM »
1762
« on: March 22, 2016, 03:46:19 PM »
Did anyone get caught the fuck up on that shark boss as a kid?
Like the gas tank in the mouth thing makes sense if you've seen Jaws, but it was months before I figured it out.
1763
« on: March 22, 2016, 02:02:50 PM »
1764
« on: March 22, 2016, 02:01:16 PM »
1765
« on: March 22, 2016, 01:24:22 PM »
Right, ace stuff in the history lessons lad but kinda missing the point entirely here.
I just don't think the notion that Islam needs, or even hasn't had, a "reformation" is correct. Islam will never be Western in the sense that Islam will never be Christianity, and the West is at this point tied to inherently Christian notions. Could Islam be westernized? I guess, but it'd just mean the next "problematic ideology" will pop up sooner or later.
1766
« on: March 22, 2016, 01:14:42 PM »
Prescription Amphetamines (as in actually prescribed to me and not abused) of some kind or other, if you consider that harder than alcohol.
1767
« on: March 22, 2016, 01:12:51 PM »
Your opinion on everything dropped to a new level of shit since you became a christfag
It doesn't really have much to do with Christfaggotry, I just stopped caring about the made up, arbitrary values that our cultures have imposed on us.
1768
« on: March 22, 2016, 01:06:39 PM »
it's yet to go through a period of reformation as Christianity and Judaism did.
Not sure what you're getting at with this. The Schism wasn't openly violent, sure, but there were violent events surrounding it (Massacre of the Latins, etc). The Protestant Reformation was ridiculously violent. I don't blame Luther for all the destruction, but a ton of princes saw it as an opportunity to gain independence and liquidate sweet sweet church assets, leading to like a century of warfare, and leaving Europe's cultures divided along yet another line. Christianity pre-Reformation wasn't even close to as brutal as modern Wahhabi Islam, relative to the world around it. The truth is it was never Christianity that wasn't chill, it was the practitioners, and they just switched from killing each other for religious reasons to killing each other for various political or ideological reasons after the """""Enlightenment"""""".
And a Jewish reformation? Judaism's never had such a thing, as far as I'm aware, it's just changed over the centuries as the Jewish people's situation changed. Modern Judaism is very different from Judaism in Christ's time, for example. They never really had the opportunity for such a thing. Even today, Judaism barely exists as a religion. A ton of them, possibly the majority, don't even believe in God. In Israel the religion is more important as a component of Israeli nationalism than as a serious faith.
I'm talking about the integration and assimilation of values within Western society senpai. Islam's quite patently yet to go through that phase where their religion doesn't take precedent over Western customs, laws and values. Christianity and Judaism have.
But the values of "western" society are Christian in origin. The modern secular democracy might try to appropriate them, but their origins are invariably in this form of Christian thinking or that. The truth is, European Christianity just softened and jellified into modern secular Europe. It lost its teeth. Something similar is beginning to happen to Christianity in the US. Sad, considering how strong it was in the past. Kierkegaard warns about this "Christendom" problem. The process is almost complete among the Jews. It is basically a non-religion at this point, more of an ethnic tradition than anything else. I've encountered exactly one genuinely religious Jew in my entire life, and I'm a fucking theatre major. Outside of the handful of Orthodox Jews in Israel, the Jewish faith has lost its fire and zeal. Islam is interesting because different wings of it are recovering from and suffering from the problem at the same time. You'll find Muslim diaspora in Europe are far more immersed and fanatical in their religion than their cousins back home. There is a reason for this (probably involving Saudi funding), but I don't claim to know it. The same is true of Judaism.
1769
« on: March 22, 2016, 12:53:42 PM »
it's yet to go through a period of reformation as Christianity and Judaism did.
Not sure what you're getting at with this. The Schism wasn't openly violent, sure, but there were violent events surrounding it (Massacre of the Latins, etc). The Protestant Reformation was ridiculously violent. I don't blame Luther for all the destruction, but a ton of princes saw it as an opportunity to gain independence and liquidate sweet sweet church assets, leading to like a century of warfare, and leaving Europe's cultures divided along yet another line. Christianity pre-Reformation wasn't even close to as brutal as modern Wahhabi Islam, relative to the world around it. The truth is it was never Christianity that wasn't chill, it was the practitioners, and they just switched from killing each other for religious reasons to killing each other for various political or ideological reasons after the """""Enlightenment"""""". And a Jewish reformation? Judaism's never had such a thing, as far as I'm aware, it's just changed over the centuries as the Jewish people's situation changed. Modern Judaism is very different from Judaism in Christ's time, for example. They never really had the opportunity for such a thing. Even today, Judaism barely exists as a religion. A ton of them, possibly the majority, don't even believe in God. In Israel the religion is more important as a component of Israeli nationalism than as a serious faith.
1770
« on: March 22, 2016, 12:38:33 PM »
THANK YOU BASED KROME
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