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Serious / Re: Unofficial Brexit Thread
« on: June 29, 2016, 07:51:10 PM »

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Serious / Re: Unofficial Brexit Thread
« on: June 29, 2016, 07:49:30 PM »
Meta, your three threads on negotiations and trade deals were merged into this thread -  due to the fact that as standalones, discussion on their individual matters would be limited.

Try and keep updates that are minor to this thread (or a new updates thread), so that we don't get a new thread every time something little happens.

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Serious / Re: Just some thoughts i wrote about rape.
« on: June 29, 2016, 02:54:54 PM »
The reason that evil doesn't exist is because there's no level of importance in our universe, if an astroid came and wiped out our entire fucking planet, 0 fucks would be given, because no one would be around to give those fucks, because we'd all be dead! HAH! I say fucking good riddance, to this stupid fucking planet of empty headed simpletons, of which I am one of the sole bastions of intelligence and wisdom. FUCK EM! So sick of being one of the only smart people on this entire planet, it's like a fucking god send when I see anyone who can see the world intelligently, there's people who far surpass my intelligence and I fucking ENVY THEM. Soooooooo yeah fuck the human race, and yay rape, go rape that mother fucking cunt, bitch was probably a stupid feminist cunt anyways.

You had me moderately interested, until you went into this rage of incoherency not seen since Camnator.


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I'm gonna have to ban you for failing your obligation.

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Serious / Re: We may have fucked up
« on: June 27, 2016, 07:25:52 PM »
While Welsh independence likely won't happen, I wouldn't be surprised if the Scottish succeed in another vote.

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Serious / Re: Unofficial Brexit Thread
« on: June 24, 2016, 11:32:46 AM »
An interesting read on the event as the news sinks in:

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First thoughts:

– THE UNITED KINGDOM WILL LEAVE THE EUROPEAN UNION.

– The working class did it. The issue was immigration. It wouldn’t have been my choice for main issue, but I am not ashamed to have been in a broad alliance. I’ll gladly bear the next election being won by a party I don’t like in exchange for elections mattering again.

– Talking of which, who will win the next election? Which parties will fight it? When will it be? No idea.

– Shy Leavers. And I hesitate to say this, but the atmosphere of blame following the murder of Jo Cox will have been perceived by many as moral blackmail.

– The EU is holed beneath the waterline. People worldwide have seen that impossible things can happen.

– President Trump? His visit to these shores is spookily well timed.

– Prime Minister Cameron? – 2010-2016

– Don’t assume that the SNP actually wants another Scottish independence referendum. Right now a second indyref would have the same result as the first.

The US could learn a thing or two from this outcome and its reactions.

Such as?

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Serious / Re: Unofficial Brexit Thread
« on: June 24, 2016, 11:10:27 AM »
what are the chances we rejoin in 10-20 years given how the younger people wanted to remain?

Depends on how Britain does outside of the EU, since many of the young voters have only grown up during the membership era (for lack of a better terminology).

Even if they don't fully rejoin, I expect the next generation of Brits to try and regain some of the abilities they had as a member.

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Serious / Re: Unofficial Brexit Thread
« on: June 23, 2016, 11:47:01 PM »
Can someone give me the skinny on all this? It seems to be of pretty big importance and I feel left out in not knowing what's going on...

Britain voted to leave the European Union, which will sever economic and geopolitical ties, including immigration and work visas, trade deals and more.
That seems... "Ungood". I've seen lots of stuff about the pound dropping at a crazy rate. What's the general consensus?

Far-right nationalists (Think the Donald Trumps of the UK) view it as a step for the UK to regain it's national sovereignty and don't foresee much ramifications in the form of trade. EU supports and others say this is going to spell the end of the UK (Scotland and North Ireland both strongly sided with the EU, and will likely push for further independence), and will set the country back in the global economy.

No one really knows what the end results of this will be, because it's never been done.
Oh dear... That has social consequences too I'd imagine?
Might isolate themselves for a bit it seems.

Yeah. Britain is going to be a rough place to be for the next several month to a year - whether as a citizen, politician, or economist.
Not really. The pound is going to stabilize shortly and regain an upward trend and the rest of the English economy is going to stay above 2008 recession levels.

The pound stabilizing, which it will, is not the only question and concern that is going to continue hanging over Britain.

Between internal politics (Cameron's future, Scottish and Irish referendum potentials), negotiating with the EU as an independent nation (And arguably one with less standing at the negotiation table), setting up trade deals with many other nations, etc - this referendum is not the end of the road. There is still a ton of work that the Brits need to do before we can say this was successful.

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Serious / Re: Unofficial Brexit Thread
« on: June 23, 2016, 11:39:06 PM »
Can someone give me the skinny on all this? It seems to be of pretty big importance and I feel left out in not knowing what's going on...

Britain voted to leave the European Union, which will sever economic and geopolitical ties, including immigration and work visas, trade deals and more.
That seems... "Ungood". I've seen lots of stuff about the pound dropping at a crazy rate. What's the general consensus?

Far-right nationalists (Think the Donald Trumps of the UK) view it as a step for the UK to regain it's national sovereignty and don't foresee much ramifications in the form of trade. EU supports and others say this is going to spell the end of the UK (Scotland and North Ireland both strongly sided with the EU, and will likely push for further independence), and will set the country back in the global economy.

No one really knows what the end results of this will be, because it's never been done.
Oh dear... That has social consequences too I'd imagine?
Might isolate themselves for a bit it seems.

Yeah. Britain is going to be a rough place to be for the next several month to a year - whether as a citizen, politician, or economist.
Damn... Here's hoping they bounce back.

Eventually, they will. Whether they remain a United Kingdom is now up in the air though.

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Serious / Re: Unofficial Brexit Thread
« on: June 23, 2016, 11:35:03 PM »
Can someone give me the skinny on all this? It seems to be of pretty big importance and I feel left out in not knowing what's going on...

Britain voted to leave the European Union, which will sever economic and geopolitical ties, including immigration and work visas, trade deals and more.
That seems... "Ungood". I've seen lots of stuff about the pound dropping at a crazy rate. What's the general consensus?

Far-right nationalists (Think the Donald Trumps of the UK) view it as a step for the UK to regain it's national sovereignty and don't foresee much ramifications in the form of trade. EU supports and others say this is going to spell the end of the UK (Scotland and North Ireland both strongly sided with the EU, and will likely push for further independence), and will set the country back in the global economy.

No one really knows what the end results of this will be, because it's never been done.
Oh dear... That has social consequences too I'd imagine?
Might isolate themselves for a bit it seems.

Yeah. Britain is going to be a rough place to be for the next several month to a year - whether as a citizen, politician, or economist.

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Serious / Re: Unofficial Brexit Thread
« on: June 23, 2016, 11:29:46 PM »
Can someone give me the skinny on all this? It seems to be of pretty big importance and I feel left out in not knowing what's going on...

Britain voted to leave the European Union, which will sever economic and geopolitical ties, including immigration and work visas, trade deals and more.
That seems... "Ungood". I've seen lots of stuff about the pound dropping at a crazy rate. What's the general consensus?

Far-right nationalists (Think the Donald Trumps of the UK) view it as a step for the UK to regain it's national sovereignty and don't foresee much ramifications in the form of trade. EU supports and others say this is going to spell the end of the UK (Scotland and North Ireland both strongly sided with the EU, and will likely push for further independence), and will set the country back in the global economy.

No one really knows what the end results of this will be, because it's never been done.

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Serious / Re: Unofficial Brexit Thread
« on: June 23, 2016, 11:25:13 PM »
Can someone give me the skinny on all this? It seems to be of pretty big importance and I feel left out in not knowing what's going on...

Britain voted to leave the European Union, which will sever economic and geopolitical ties, including immigration and work visas, trade deals and more. This is leading to a lot of uncertainty and worry over the future of economics across the nation.

To put that uncertainty into perspective, this is the drop in the British pound - to the weakest value since 1985.


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Serious / Re: Unofficial Brexit Thread
« on: June 23, 2016, 11:13:09 PM »

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Serious / Re: Unofficial Brexit Thread
« on: June 23, 2016, 11:08:23 PM »
GG Britain.

You fucked up

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Serious / Re: Unofficial Brexit Thread
« on: June 23, 2016, 08:31:14 PM »
Britain is gonna remain. I call it now

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The Flood / Re: Lets expose the alts
« on: June 22, 2016, 09:47:27 AM »
I mean, I can tell you

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Serious / Re: A Member of Parliament was shot and killed today
« on: June 16, 2016, 11:49:33 AM »
Ban all British people.

Seriously though, another sad tragedy in a week full of them.

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Is it borderline unconstitutional? No.

It's been ruled unconstitutional in court before. There's no due process or accountability; the government can just restrict anyone's ability to fly (a private service that is tantamount to unjustified discrimination). Obviously it's something that should exist, but it's a terrible system currently.

Which is why it should be reformed - a panel consisting of members from Congress, DHS, and the Justice Department (Including judges) should be able to review additions and removals from the list, including hearing appeals.

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Freedom of movement

I wasn't aware "freedom of movement" was a constitutionally protected right.

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and, if the Democrats get their way, constitutionally protected rights being restricted without due process sounds unconstitutional to me.

Talking about your freedom of movement, or gun purchases?

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Does it need reform? Yes

Is it borderline unconstitutional? No.

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I'm still waiting for politicians to push for stricter car ownership laws to prevent car accidents from happening

Because there are certainly no regulations on cars. No mandatory classes to drive a car, no requirement to renew your license for a car, no requirement that you have car insurance.


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Serious / Sen. Murphy Filibustering Spending Bill over Gun Control
« on: June 15, 2016, 11:27:31 AM »
So It Begins

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Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) has launched a talking filibuster on the Senate floor in an effort to force Republicans and Democrats to come to an agreement on legislation to deny suspected terrorists from purchasing firearms and requiring universal background checks.

The Senate is debating a spending bill that Democrats hope to offer gun amendments to, but Murphy said that the Senate should “not proceed with debate on amendments to this bill until we have figured out a way to come together on, at the very least, two simple ideas.”

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The Flood / Re: I'm meeting a 36 year old for a fwb situation
« on: June 14, 2016, 11:22:25 PM »
Saved the image for future use.

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Serious / Re: Talking Productively About Gun Control
« on: June 14, 2016, 11:20:43 PM »
I'll read a bit more in the morning once I'm not half asleep, but I will say that both sides in this argument have strong points.

Yes, we cannot jump straight to "Another tragedy happened, time to push more gun laws within a week", as some on the left have. But at the same time, we can't ignore that on top of a psychological and ideological problem (Whether it was his insecurity as a gay man or his religious influence), the issue over guns and who can own one needs to be addressed as well.

Because I don't care if it's a "secret list" with "secret requirements". If you have done enough to warrant two FBI investigations into you, you should not be able to walk into a store and purchase a gun - at least without going through a lengthy process to regain that right.


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Serious / Re: 50 Dead, 53 Injured at Orlando LGBT Nightclub
« on: June 14, 2016, 11:13:17 PM »
I'm reading reports that he frequented that club and several men recognized him from his Grindr profile. Anyone else confirm?

It's been making the headlines, yes

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Serious / Re: 50 Dead, 53 Injured at Orlando LGBT Nightclub
« on: June 14, 2016, 05:43:29 PM »
Isn't that illegal?

Further updates indicate that the wife of the shooter knew of his plans at the nightclub, did not alert the authorities.

Yes, it is.

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Serious / Re: 50 Dead, 53 Injured at Orlando LGBT Nightclub
« on: June 14, 2016, 05:36:13 PM »
Further updates indicate that the wife of the shooter knew of his plans at the nightclub, did not alert the authorities.

Other areas in Orlando, including Disney, were also visited by the two earlier this year. Authorities are investigating if these were possible locations of violence

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Serious / Re: 50 Dead, 53 Injured at Orlando LGBT Nightclub
« on: June 13, 2016, 10:05:54 PM »
Unsurprising, but the new discussion is that the shooter was seen at the club numerous times before, and allegedly messaged other gay men on dating/hookup apps.
This is unsurprising? Are you implying that he himself was closeted?

Unsurprising in that many gay men who are closeted and insecure with their sexuality have made attempts to beat down and diminish pride in others in the community - you especially see it in politicians who sponsor or support anti-LGBT legislation, despite being in the closet themselves. Of course, this rarely turns to violence like we saw over the weekend - but it does give another facet as to why the shooter drove over an hour to Orlando and this one specific club, when he could have easily picked the more popular Parliament House (another gay club in Orlando), or larger venues in the state to cause more destruction.

A former classmate (I believe it was a classmate) has also been making the rounds on the news, giving evidence to support the notion that the shooter was, in the very least, curious about other men.

But yeah, at the same time, unsurprising probably wasn't the right word.

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Serious / Re: 50 Dead, 53 Injured at Orlando LGBT Nightclub
« on: June 13, 2016, 09:47:24 PM »
Unsurprising, but the new discussion is that the shooter was seen at the club numerous times before, and allegedly messaged other gay men on dating/hookup apps.

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Serious / Re: Corruption out the fucking wazzoo
« on: June 13, 2016, 07:18:38 PM »
I could say a few things about the theft that Trump University conducted, but I won't.

All that I'm going to say is that if the money the Clinton Foundation received was used to assist and better the lives of people in less fortunate positions and countries, then I'm indifferent as to who donated it (Within reason).

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