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1081
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:27:37 PM »
No power because of the hurricane; is this worth watching afterwards?

I'd check a highlight reel.

1082
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:26:20 PM »
Somewhere in Ohio, Kellyanne Conway is preparing to hang herself.

1083
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:25:16 PM »
Oh shit

1084
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:24:09 PM »
For Your Information, Clinton laughing about the rape case has already been investigated and debunked.

"Chuckled"

The audio on these tapes is difficult to understand, but Clinton can be heard describing the case as "terrible." She did audibly laugh or chuckle at points, not about "knowing that the defendant was guilty" or "getting a guilty guy off" (which makes little sense, given that the defendant pled guilty)

but rather while musing about how elements of the case that might ordinarily have supported the prosecution worked in the defendant's favor (i.e., observing that the defendant's passing a polygraph test had "forever destroyed her faith" in that technology):


1085
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:19:10 PM »
For Your Information, Clinton laughing about the rape case has already been investigated and debunked.

1086
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:18:23 PM »
Aaaaand there's the Bill Clinton remark.

1087
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:17:19 PM »
I'm waiting for Trump to just walk off the stage.


1088
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:15:30 PM »
I honestly hope that this isn't an hour and a half of grilling Trump over this.

Get to something else

They need to get it out of the way at the start. If not, the issue will just linger over every other question for the rest of the debate.


1089
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:13:13 PM »
And Trump denies that what he said was essentially condoning sexual assault.

::)
Dude, have you never been just chillin with the bro's and be all like "yeah, I wanna go grab that one's titty's"

No, I'm too busy sucking their dicks.

With consent.

1090
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:12:54 PM »
He's going down faster than I do.


1091
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:11:34 PM »
And Trump denies that what he said was essentially condoning sexual assault.

::)

1092
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:10:07 PM »
Trump sounds VERY subdued tonight.  Did he not get his coke?

He's already very stiff - not walking around, interacting with the audience. He's standing in one spot.

Previous town halls have proven that to be terrible.

1093
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:09:19 PM »
A gay guy and a woman mediating.

How dare you ignore Martha Radditz

1094
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:06:32 PM »
This is a dumb first question.

1095
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:05:54 PM »
and3rson sp00per

Oh, if only I was single.

1096
Serious / Re: Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 08:03:33 PM »
Several of the women from Trump's stunt earlier are in the audience. Expect them to be mentioned multiple times tonight.

1097
Serious / Debate Number 2
« on: October 09, 2016, 07:25:25 PM »
Starts at 9 folks. Grab your popcorn and your beers, because this one is gonna be feistier than last time.

Trump's already held a pre-debate conference with women who accused Bill Clinton of various sexual assault charges.


1098
Serious / Re: Trump being a strong, powerful, male businessman
« on: October 09, 2016, 11:12:40 AM »
There's talks of them replacing Trump (I don't think they can even do that this late in the game)

The only way Trump could be replaced is if he either dies or drops out. He can't be forced off the ticket.


1099
Serious / Re: Trump being a strong, powerful, male businessman
« on: October 08, 2016, 11:00:25 AM »
He's nearly finished.

1100
The Flood / Re: Hurricane methew
« on: October 06, 2016, 10:31:24 PM »
Osceola here, been raining on and off all day, no strong winds or heavy rain yet.

Your ass didn't even realize that the parks were closed til I told you.

Who are you to give updates?

1101
Serious / Re: Pence VS Kaine, round two of presidential debates LET'S GO.
« on: October 05, 2016, 12:17:52 AM »
Honestly, Tim Kaine going on the offensive and constantly interrupting Pence, Trump style, might hurt him a bit.

VP debates matter little.

Hurt his personal favorability is possible.

1102
Serious / Re: NYTimes Releases Report on Trump's Tax Records
« on: October 03, 2016, 02:57:45 PM »
Thanks Flee for saving me an hour or so of research.


1103
Serious / Re: NYTimes Releases Report on Trump's Tax Records
« on: October 03, 2016, 12:16:48 PM »
Careful Flee, Hillary isn't exactly innocent herself when it comes to taxes (albeit not to the extent Trump is but still):

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/02/hillary-clinton-avoided-taxes

Source: https://m.hrc.onl/secretary/10-documents/01-health-financial-records/Clinton_2015_Form_1040_with_Signature_Page.pdf

Page 17. While not almost a billion dollars like Trump, she still used the same loophole he did.

I'll probably do a bit more research into this, plus I'm sure we're discussing this in my public policy class.

Trump claimed a capital gains loss in 1995 as well?

1105
Serious / Re: 2016 Septagon General Election Poll
« on: October 02, 2016, 07:04:15 PM »
Unbelievable.
Johnson?
Yeah.

To my knowledge, Jill Stein hasn't made any major gaffs, so that's... nice.

She'd need to actually be covered for that. And, you know, not being arrested.

She hasn't even reached that threshold.

1106
Serious / Re: 2016 Septagon General Election Poll
« on: October 02, 2016, 02:37:33 PM »

1107
Serious / Re: 2016 Septagon General Election Poll
« on: October 02, 2016, 01:52:29 PM »
Changed my vote from Johnson to Clinton.

Not sure if I'll actually vote for her though.

Why the change?

1108
Serious / Re: NYTimes Releases Report on Trump's Tax Records
« on: October 02, 2016, 12:28:54 PM »
I wouldn't really call losing $916M in a single year gaming the tax code. Surely that loss far outweighs how much he would have paid in taxes.

I'm not too sure how much eighteen years of taxes would measure out for him. Some outlets seem to indicate it wouldn't be too much less (Relatively speaking) than the $916M loss in 1995 - meaning he's be gaining revenue by taking one large loss before skipping on the taxes for nearly two decades.

Of course, other outlets take your stance. 

1109
Serious / NYTimes Releases Report on Trump's Tax Records
« on: October 01, 2016, 11:55:00 PM »
Story

Quote
Donald J. Trump declared a $916 million loss on his 1995 income tax returns, a tax deduction so substantial it could have allowed him to legally avoid paying any federal income taxes for up to 18 years, records obtained by The New York Times show.

The 1995 tax records, never before disclosed, reveal the extraordinary tax benefits that Mr. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, derived from the financial wreckage he left behind in the early 1990s through mismanagement of three Atlantic City casinos, his ill-fated foray into the airline business and his ill-timed purchase of the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan.

Tax experts hired by The Times to analyze Mr. Trump’s 1995 records said that tax rules especially advantageous to wealthy filers would have allowed Mr. Trump to use his $916 million loss to cancel out an equivalent amount of taxable income over an 18-year period.

Although Mr. Trump’s taxable income in subsequent years is as yet unknown, a $916 million loss in 1995 would have been large enough to wipe out more than $50 million a year in taxable income over 18 years.

The $916 million loss certainly could have eliminated any federal income taxes Mr. Trump otherwise would have owed on the $50,000 to $100,000 he was paid for each episode of “The Apprentice,” or the roughly $45 million he was paid between 1995 and 2009 when he was chairman or chief executive of the publicly traded company he created to assume ownership of his troubled Atlantic City casinos. Ordinary investors in the new company, meanwhile, saw the value of their shares plunge to 17 cents from $35.50, while scores of contractors went unpaid for work on Mr. Trump’s casinos and casino bondholders received pennies on the dollar.

“He has a vast benefit from his destruction” in the early 1990s, said one of the experts, Joel Rosenfeld, an assistant professor at New York University’s Schack Institute of Real Estate. Mr. Rosenfeld offered this description of what he would advise a client who came to him with a tax return like Mr. Trump’s: “Do you realize you can create $916 million in income without paying a nickel in taxes?”

Mr. Trump declined to comment on the documents. Instead, the campaign released a statement that neither challenged nor confirmed the $916 million loss.

“Mr. Trump is a highly-skilled businessman who has a fiduciary responsibility to his business, his family and his employees to pay no more tax than legally required,” the statement said. “That being said, Mr. Trump has paid hundreds of millions of dollars in property taxes, sales and excise taxes, real estate taxes, city taxes, state taxes, employee taxes and federal taxes.”

The statement continued, “Mr. Trump knows the tax code far better than anyone who has ever run for President and he is the only one that knows how to fix it.”

More at the link above

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Can I ask where in Fortune magazine you got these numbers? More specifically, which article(s)?

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