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Serious / The President of the USA Must be a Natural Born Citizen
« on: October 15, 2014, 10:31:00 AM »
In this day and age, is this requirement to become President of the United States necessary? What does it protect? Why is it so important?

Discuss.

P.S: No, this is not an invitation for certain members to claim Obama was born in Kenya.


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The Flood / 343i took a page from Bungie
« on: October 14, 2014, 10:18:11 AM »

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The Flood / The Rules have been Updated
« on: October 09, 2014, 02:29:38 PM »

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The Flood / MOVED: gender =/= biological sex
« on: October 09, 2014, 11:05:14 AM »

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Serious / Russian Teenager Outed while seeking Asylum in US
« on: October 08, 2014, 10:00:47 AM »
Slow Clap, everyone

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A lawyer for a 17-year-old at the center of a confrontation between the U.S. and Russian governments said a U.S. official may have violated international law by telling the New York Times that the teenager is seeking asylum on the basis of his sexual orientation.

“We’re shocked that an American official would … violate international human rights law and out him as an asylum-seeker,” the lawyer, Susan Reed of the Michigan Immigrants Rights Center, told BuzzFeed News.

U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services had declined to comment on the case when Russian officials publicized the case last week. Immigration Services cited policy that prohibits government officials from discussing individual asylum cases. Details in this case are especially sensitive, Reed said, because it concerns a minor and because the case is ongoing.

An Obama administration spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Reed would not comment on the grounds for which the teen was seeking to stay in the United States or even if he was seeking asylum when she first spoke to press last week. The story made headlines when the Russian foreign ministry announced it was pulling out of a 21-year-old exchange program because the student had not returned to Russia when he was scheduled to. Russian officials told state-run media that the child had been “seduced” by a “pair of old homosexuals” while in the U.S., and had sought asylum because of his “non-traditional sexual orientation.”

On Saturday, the New York Times reported that the fact that the boy “chose not to return home and sought asylum on the basis of his sexual orientation” had been confirmed by an “American official, who was not authorized to comment on the case and so spoke on the condition of anonymity.”

Reed told BuzzFeed News on Wednesday “we don’t deny” the Times report. Now that he had been outed by the government official, Reed provided additional information about the case to refute Russian accounts of the incident.

She challenged the account put forward by Russia’s child rights ombudsman, Pavel Astakhov, who said last week: “A child who has a mother in Russia was illegally put up for adoption, and the boy was handed over to a homosexual American couple.” Subsequent reports said the child had been emancipated from his parents by U.S. courts.

Neither is true, Reed said.

“He is in federal custody, and was placed in a foster home because he is an unaccompanied minor asylum-seeker and that is standard,” she said. This is “a licensed foster home that is headed by two dads.”

Reed criticized the Russian reports for focusing on the sexual orientation of the adults involved; Russian officials had claimed to the New York Times that she and her co-counsel are “also of nontraditional sexual orientation.”

“In fact, I am very traditional,” she said. “Russia is trying to make this case about some person or persons in the U.S. who are gay. But this case is about a young man who is afraid to return to Russia because Russia persecutes people who are gay.”

She would not comment on Russian reports that the teen’s mother is seeking his return to Russia, but said that his parents “are under tremendous pressure. One should not accept the Russian government’s suggestions at face value.”

Aside from the stupidity of government officials, is it a worthy grounds for asylum?

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Serious / Interview with a Former Female Fighter of ISIS
« on: October 07, 2014, 01:35:43 PM »
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Urfa, Turkey (CNN) — The petite 25-year-old tentatively opens the door to the hotel room where we've agreed to meet. Her face is covered, but her body language betrays her anxiety.

She slowly lifts her niqab, revealing her young, heart-shaped face. Her large brown eyes, filled with guilt and turmoil, are delicately made up under perfectly sculpted brows.

She calls herself 'Khadija.' It's not her real name, because she's a marked woman. Once a member of a fearsome, female ISIS brigade, she's a recent defector, disillusioned by the group's brutality.

Her interview with CNN is the first time she has ever told anyone her story.

Growing up in Syria, Khadija's family ensured she got an education. She earned her college degree and began teaching elementary school. Khadija describes her family and upbringing as "not overly conservative."

When the Syrian uprising began more than three and a half years ago, Khadija joined the masses who began peaceful protests against the government of President Bashar al-Assad.

"We'd go out and demonstrate. The security services would chase us. We'd write on walls, have different outfits to change into," she said. "Those days were great."

But it was when the Syrian uprising spiraled into chaos and violence that she said she began to lose her soul, her humanity.

"Everything around us was chaos," she said, her words tumbling out. "Free Syrian Army, the regime, barrel bombs, strikes, the wounded, clinics, blood — you want to tear yourself away, to find something to run to.

"My problem was I ran away to something uglier."

Gradual induction

She found herself drawn to the eloquence of a Tunisian whom she met online. Taken with his manners, she grew to trust him over time and he gradually lured her into the Islamic State, she said. He assured her that the group was not what people thought, that it was not a terrorist organization.

"He would say, 'We are going to properly implement Islam. Right now we are in a state of war, a phase where we need to control the country, so we have to be harsh.'"

He told her he was coming to the Syrian city of Raqqa, that they could even get married.

"I got in touch with my cousin, and she said, 'You can come join us in the Khansa'a Brigade. She was living in Raqqa with her husband who was with the Islamic State," Khadija said. The brigade is the feared, all-female police for ISIS.

Khadija convinced her family to move to Raqqa, saying it would be easier to register her younger siblings in school, and that they would have the support of relatives.

With her cousin to open the doors, Khadija was welcomed into the feared Khansa'a brigade.

The Khansa'a Brigade is made up of around 25 to 30 women and is tasked with patrolling the streets of Raqqa to ensure that women adhere to proper clothing as outlined by the Islamic State.

Beaded or slightly form-fitting abayas are banned. Women are not allowed to show their eyes.

Those who broke the laws are lashed.

The lashings to the women who broke ISIS rules were carried out by Umm Hamza.

When Khadija first saw Umm Hamza, she was terrified.

"She's not a normal female. She's huge, she has an AK, a pistol, a whip, a dagger and she wears the niqab," Khadija said.

Brigade commander Umm Rayan sensed Khadija's fear "and she got close to me and said a sentence I won't forget. She said, 'We are harsh with the infidels, but merciful among ourselves.'"

Khadija was trained to clean, dismantle, and fire a weapon. She was paid $200 a month and received food rations.

Her family sensed Khadija was slipping away, but were helpless to stop it. Her mother tried to warn her.

"She would always say to me, 'Wake up, take care of yourself. You are walking, but you don't know where you are going.'"

Second thoughts

Initally, Khadija did not pay attention to her mother's warnings, seduced by the sense of power. But eventually, she started questioning herself and the principles of the Islamic State.

"At the start, I was happy with my job. I felt that I had authority in the streets. But then I started to get scared, scared of my situation. I even started to be afraid of myself."

She started thinking: "I am not like this. I have a degree in education. I shouldn't be like this. What happened to me? What happened in my mind that brought me here?"

And her image of ISIS began to crumble.

Burned into her mind is an image she saw online of a 16-year-old boy who was crucified for rape. She questioned her inclusion in a group capable of such violence.

"The worst thing I saw was a man getting his head hacked off in front of me," she said.

Violence against women

Even more personally, she witnessed ISIS' brand of violence reserved for women. The brigade shared its building with a man who specialized in marriage for ISIS fighters.

"He was one of the worst people," she said of the man tasked with finding wives for both local and foreign fighters.

"The foreign fighters are very brutal with women, even the ones they marry," she said. "There were cases where the wife had to be taken to the emergency ward because of the violence, the sexual violence."

Khadija saw a future she did not want.

With her commander pressuring her to submit to marriage, Khadija decided she needed to leave the brigade.

"So it was at this point, I said enough. After all that I had already seen and all the times I stayed silent, telling myself, 'We're at war, then it will all be rectified.'

"But after this, I decided no, I have to leave."

Khadija left just days before the coalition airstrikes, but her family remains in Syria.

She was smuggled across the border to Turkey.

Life after ISIS

Khadija still wears the niqab, not just to conceal her identity but also because she's struggling to adapt back to life outside the Islamic State.

Regretful of her immersion in radical Islam, she is wary of another sudden change.

"It has to be gradual, so that I don't become someone else. I am afraid of becoming someone else. Someone who swings, as a reaction in the other direction, after I was so entrenched in religion, that I reject religion completely," she said.

Towards the end of our interview, speaking about how ISIS could have gotten a foothold in parts of Syrian society, she has a personal moment.

"How did we allow them to come in? How did we allow them to rule us? There is a weakness in us."

Khadija spoke to us because she said she wants people, especially women, to know the truth about ISIS.

"I don't want anyone else to be duped by them. Too many girls think they are the right Islam," she said.

She desperately wants to be the girl she was before falling under the spell of ISIS — "a girl who is merry, who loves life and laughter... who loves to travel, to draw, to walk in the street with her headphones listening to music without caring what anyone thinks," she said.

"I want to be like that again."

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Serious / Is there a problem with Islamophobia in Western Culture?
« on: October 06, 2014, 10:48:37 AM »
If so, what can be done to counter the beliefs?
If not, why do you feel so?

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Serious / 5 More States Join the 21st Century
« on: October 06, 2014, 09:02:33 AM »
Story

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court has turned away appeals from five states seeking to prohibit same-sex marriages, paving the way for an immediate expansion of gay and lesbian unions.

The justices on Monday did not comment in rejecting appeals from Indiana, Oklahoma, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin.

The court's order immediately ends delays on marriage in those states. Couples in six other states should be able to get married in short order.


That would make same-sex marriage legal in 30 states and the District of Columbia.

But the justices have left unresolved for now the question of same-sex marriage nationwide.

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Serious / Alan Henning Beheaded by ISIS - American Hostage Next
« on: October 03, 2014, 03:30:03 PM »
Story.

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A new video released Friday afternoon purports to show British hostage Alan Henning beheaded by an ISIS militant.

The video begins with a clip from Russia Today on the British parliament’s decision to approve airstrikes on ISIS and cuts to Henning kneeling in a desert with a militant known as “Jihadi John.” He addresses the camera, “Hi, I’m Alan Henning. Because of our Parliament’s decision to attack the Islamic State, I as a member of the British public will now pay the price for that decision.”

Henning was an aid worker who was captured while working for a Muslim NGO.

At the end of the video, the ISIS member displays another hostage, former U.S. soldier Peter Kassig, and threatens that he will be the next victim.

The video is titled “Another Message to America and its Allies” and is more graphic than previous videos showing the militant group’s execution of American and British hostages.

The American hostage, Kassig is a a former Army Ranger turned Syrian refugee aid worker. He founded his own relief organization, Special Emergency Response and Assistance, or SERA, in 2011. According to the organization’s website, SERA is “focused on providing acute logistical support and assistance in areas too difficult for other humanitarian organizations to effectively operate. Typically, this means conflict zones.” The website indicates that the group’s operations have ceased due to the security situation in Syria.


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Here ya go

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The separation of church and state doesn’t mean “the government cannot favor religion over non-religion,” Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia argued during a speech at Colorado Christian University on Wednesday, according to The Washington Times.

Defending his strict adherence to the plain text of the Constitution, Scalia knocked secular qualms over the role of religion in the public sphere as “utterly absurd,” arguing that the Constitution is only obligated to protect freedom of religion -- not freedom from it.

“I think the main fight is to dissuade Americans from what the secularists are trying to persuade them to be true: that the separation of church and state means that the government cannot favor religion over non-religion,” the Reagan-appointed jurist told the crowd of about 400 people.

“We do Him [God] honor in our pledge of allegiance, in all our public ceremonies,” the conservative Catholic justice continued. “There’s nothing wrong with that. It is in the best of American traditions, and don’t let anybody tell you otherwise. I think we have to fight that tendency of the secularists to impose it on all of us through the Constitution.”

Earlier this year, Scalia joined the Supreme Court’s majority opinion in Town of Greece v. Galloway, which held that the New York town could continue opening legislative sessions with sectarian prayers.

Scalia has since used the case to press for the approval of public prayers in schools, legislatures and courtrooms.

In June, Scalia criticized the Supreme Court for declining to review Elmbrook School District v. John Doe, a case in which the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit ruled that a public school district's decision to conduct graduation ceremonies in a church violated the Establishment Clause.

In a dissent joined by Justice Clarence Thomas, Scalia argued that “at a minimum,” the Supreme Court should remand the case for reconsideration, noting that “the First Amendment explicitly favors religion.”

On Wednesday, Scalia also criticized members of the Court who champion a more evolving, “living” view of the Constitution -- a judicial philosophy he has previously said only an “idiot” could believe.

“Our [the Supreme Court’s] latest take on the subject, which is quite different from previous takes, is that the state must be neutral, not only between religions, but between religion and nonreligion,” Scalia said on Wednesday, according to The Washington Times. “That’s just a lie. Where do you get the notion that this is all unconstitutional? You can only believe that if you believe in a morphing Constitution.”

If Americans want a more secular political system that guarantees those distinctions, they can “enact that by statute,” Scalia said, “but to say that’s what the Constitution requires is utterly absurd.”

In another public appearance on Wednesday at the University of Colorado Boulder Law School's annual John Paul Stevens lecture, Scalia compared his efforts to restore constitutional originalism to the challenges faced by "Lord of the Rings" protagonist Frodo Baggins.

“It’s a long, uphill fight to get back to original orthodoxy. We have two ‘originalists’ on the Supreme Court,” Scalia said, referring to Thomas. “That’s something. But I feel like Frodo … We’ll get clobbered in the end, but it’s worth it.”

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Serious / Dallas Cowboys Player under Sexual Assault Investigation
« on: October 02, 2014, 10:14:50 AM »
More bad publicity for the NFL

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Tom Gannam/AP

A Dallas Cowboys special teams player has been accused of sexually assaulting a woman at the team’s hotel in Texas on Sept. 20 — and he was allowed to play the next day.

The alleged attack came just a day after NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell’s awkward news conference during which he promised to get tough on players accused of violent crime.

Police in Grapevine, Tex., told the Daily News that C.J. Spillman, 28, is “involved” in the investigation of a sexual assault that allegedly took place at the Gaylord Texan Resort and Convention Center, the Cowboys’ official hotel since 2009.

“We have a sexual assault report we are investigating at this time, and it does involve C.J. Spillman,” said Sgt. Robert Eberling, a police spokesman. “He is involved in the investigation. We are looking into the matter.”

The NFL has been under heavy fire for several weeks for the tepid discipline it meted out to players accused of domestic violence, child abuse and other violent acts, prompting the National Organization for Women and other groups to call for Goodell to resign.

Goodell acknowledged the NFL had screwed up during a news conference in New York on Sept. 19 and promised the league would learn from those mistakes and get things right.

“The same mistakes can never be repeated,” Goodell promised. “We will get our house in order first. We will do more.”



Civil rights attorney Gloria Allred sent a letter to the commissioner on Friday, a week after Goodell’s uneasy news conference, saying she represents a woman who filed a police report alleging an NFL player had raped her.

The alleged perpetrator, accompanied by a team official, met with police on Sept. 20, Allred said in the letter.

“Thereafter, the accused was then allowed by his team to play the following day,” the letter added. “We have asked the NFL whether or not this alleged rape was reported to them and if they approved this accused individual’s playing in the game notwithstanding the allegations that had been made against him.”

In her news conference Monday, Allred revealed her client underwent a rape kit examination and provided other evidence. Allred said her client was told the player was contacted by police and appeared at a station with a representative of his team, and then played the next day, Sept. 21.

Allred declined to discuss the Spillman investigation Wednesday, but she did respond to a request made earlier this week by the NFL’s top lawyer, Jeffrey Pash, to interview the alleged victim.

“In considering whether our client will or will not be agreeable to meeting with your representative, we would like to be assured that the NFL is acting in good faith and that it is conducting an investigation which encompasses not only the rape allegations but also why the player and the team involved did not report these matters immediately to the NFL as required by your NFL Personal Conduct Policy,” Allred wrote.

 The NFL has been under fire since the season began last month after TMZ posted a video of Baltimore Ravens star Ray Rice hitting his then-fiancée in an Atlantic City casino elevator in February. Goodell took heat for initially only giving Rice a two-game suspension. Once the tape surfaced, the commissioner suspended Rice indefinitely and the Ravens terminated his contract.

Then Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was arrested on child abuse charges stemming from him whipping his 4-year-old son with a tree branch. The Vikings, who deactivated Peterson for one game, had planned to play the 2012 league MVP on the following Sunday, but flip-flopped when sponsors threatened to bail.

Goodell acknowledged the league had fumbled after sponsors — including Anheuser-Busch — expressed concern about how the NFL handled allegations of domestic violence, sexual assault and child abuse.


Yay for more problems in the good old American Men's Club.

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Serious / First Case of Ebola Diagnosed in the US
« on: September 30, 2014, 04:01:31 PM »
Developing Story

Second Source

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A patient was diagnosed with Ebola in the United State for the first time, CNBC reported, citing the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Until Tuesday, Ebola patients had only been treated in the U.S. after being diagnosed elsewhere.

The CDC said they would make a statement Tuesday afternoon.

It's been confirmed at a Dallas hospital

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Serious / Share Your Thoughts on the Following Regions of the World.
« on: September 29, 2014, 01:14:49 PM »
Just curious - I'm going to give a list in quotes of several regions/countries of the world, and I'd just like your opinion on them. Economically, politically, where they stand in the world, what they do right/wrong. Anything.

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South America, namely Brazil, Argentina, and Chile.

Mexico

India

Australia

Eastern Europe

South Africa

Iran

Cuba

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Serious / New Protests Clash with Police in Hong Kong
« on: September 28, 2014, 01:04:42 PM »
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Pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong reached a boiling point on Sunday, with police employing tear gas in attempts to control crowds that have surrounded government buildings for the past three days.

Tension has been escalating in the city all summer, after Beijing released a controversial plan for Hong Kong's 2017 elections that activists say falls short of the full democracy they hope for. The plan would allow for universal suffrage in three year's time, but would restrict candidates to those approved by a committee that opposition politicians say is dominated by pro-Beijing representatives.

In response, pro-democracy groups Occupy Central and student-led Scholarism have threatened civil disobedience that could shut down the city. After a week of student boycotts and protests, the confrontation escalated on Sunday when police began using heavy-handed tactics to dispel demonstrators. Police have been using pepper spray and tear gas, but protesters continued to pour into the streets on Sunday night.

Police have been photographed carrying guns, and some protest groups called for a retreat on Sunday night on fears that the police would begin using rubber bullets.

Photos posted online showed subways full of police being transported toward the protests. In response, protestors barricaded the exits to some subway stations.

Students prepared for the threat of tear gas with masks, and as the night wore on, protestors issued public appeals for more supplies on social media.

Police reportedly cleared the site of initial protests, but stand-offs continued at the government headquarters and other locations near the center of the city.

At approximately 10:30 p.m., a Twitter account for the Hong Kong Federation of Students, one of the leading protest groups, began to call for a retreat in the face of mounting injuries.


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Serious / Do you Support the Students Protesting in Colorado?
« on: September 27, 2014, 10:48:04 AM »
For reference to those who do not know, there is currently an ongoing protests by students in a Denver suburb of Colorado. Basically, a bunch of AP US History students have stopped going to class to protest a new proposal for curriculum in the class:

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The protests are aimed at new JeffCo School Board member Julie Williams’ proposal, which states, in part: “Materials should promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free enterprise system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights. Materials should not encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law. Instructional materials should present positive aspects of the United States and its heritage.”

Essentially: Teach kids that America is great, write out stuff that would say otherwise.

So, thoughts? Support the kids? Think it's an overreaction? To read more about it, click Here

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Serious / Should the District of Columbia become a State?
« on: September 26, 2014, 10:02:30 AM »
Basically put it, there are 600,000 people who live within the District's borders who do not have voting power in Congress. That's their biggest qualm, because many will say it is "Taxation without Representation."

So, your thoughts? Should the District become a state, or no?

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Serious / French Hostage Beheaded in Algeria
« on: September 24, 2014, 04:40:29 PM »
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ALGIERS, Algeria (AP) — An Algerian splinter group from al-Qaida has beheaded a French hostage over France's airstrikes on the Islamic State group, in a sign of the possible widening of the crisis in Iraq and Syria to the rest of the region.

The killing of Herve Gourdel, a mountaineer who was kidnapped while hiking in Algeria, was a "cowardly assassination," a visibly upset French President Francois Hollande said Wednesday, but he vowed to continue the military operation.

"Herve Gourdel is dead because he is the representative of a people — ours — that defends human dignity against barbarity," Hollande said on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly meeting in New York. "France will never cede to terrorism because it is our duty, and, more than that, because it is our honor."

On Friday, France joined the U.S. in conducting airstrikes on the Islamic State group in Iraq. Two days later, the Islamic State group called on Muslims to attack foreign targets, and the response in Algeria raised the specter of attacks on Westerners elsewhere.

Gourdel, a 55-year-old mountaineering guide from Nice, was seized Sunday night while hiking in the Djura Djura mountains of northern Algeria. His Algerian companions were released.

A group calling itself Jund al-Khilafah, or "Soldiers of the Caliphate," split from al-Qaida and pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group two weeks ago. It seized Gourdel in response to the call to kill the "spiteful and filthy French." It gave France 24 hours to end its air campaign.

A video posted online showed masked gunmen standing over a kneeling Gourdel. They pledged their allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State group, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and said they were fighting his enemies. The video showed the captive pushed to the ground and blindfolded before he was beheaded.

The videos from the group were similar to those from the Islamic State group, which killed two American journalists and a British aid worker in recent weeks.

"It is not the first time France has been affected by terrorist acts," Hollande told an unusual session of the U.N. Security Council chaired by President Barack Obama. "And we have never given in. Every time, we come out of these things more robust, with greater solidarity."

Obama, speaking at the same meeting, said people around the world had been "horrified by another brutal murder."

"These terrorists believe our countries will be unable to stop them. The safety of our citizens demands that we do," Obama said at the meeting, which was aimed at combating the threat posed by foreign fighters joining extremist groups.

The Algerian government called the killing of Gourdel "an odious and abject act committed by a group of criminals."

Gourdel, an avid photographer, had expressed excitement on his Facebook page about his planned camping trip in the remote mountainous region. The area, which is riddled with steep valleys and deep caves, is also one of the last strongholds of the Islamist extremists in northern Algeria that have been fighting the government since the 1990s.

The Algerian government statement said that since the kidnapping, authorities had been working to try to free him. It said it was determined "to pursue its fight against terrorism in all its forms, while guaranteeing the protection and security of all foreign nationals on its territory."

The Islamic State group claims leadership of all Muslims and has been hoping to incite additional attacks against foreigners around the world.

"That was the Islamic State's intention, for there to be more events like this," said analyst Geoff Porter of North Africa Risk Consulting. "If there were to be any similar copycat instances, I don't think they would transpire in Algeria, they are more likely to occur either in Tunisia or Morocco — it's certainly a more target-rich environment."

Thousands of Tunisians and Moroccans have joined the Islamic State to fight in Syria and Iraq, and there are fears they will carry out attacks in their home countries upon their return.

The killing of a hostage actually represents a departure for radical Islamic groups in Algeria, which in the past decade have made millions from ransoms. France is also known for paying ransoms, although some hostages have been killed by their captors.

Islamic extremists have long singled out France as a special target for multiple reasons: the French military campaign against al-Qaida-linked militants in Mali, the French involvement in the NATO force in Afghanistan, and French laws banning the Muslim face veil and headscarves in public.

Hours after French warplanes struck targets Friday in Iraq, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius told the U.N. Security Council: "We are facing throat-cutters. They rape, crucify and decapitate. They use cruelty as a means of propaganda. Their aim is to erase borders and to eradicate the rule of law and civil society."

Nearly 1,000 French radicals have joined or are trying to join the Islamic State group in Syria and in Iraq — more than the number of fighters from any other Western country. French authorities are particularly concerned they will return home and stage attacks. Security has been boosted around the country.

The Algerian military has never been able to eliminate the vestiges of the once-powerful al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb hiding out in the same terrain where Algerians fought French colonizers in the 1950s. The extremists usually left civilians alone and clashed only occasionally with army patrols.

Gourdel's killing may push the military to take care of these groups once and for all. It has sent thousands of troops and helicopters into the mountains.

Hollande praised Gourdel as a man devoted to mountain climbing who "thought he would be able to pursue his passion."

According to a presidential aide, Hollande has spoken with Gourdel's family, and his hometown in southern France planned a vigil Thursday at the mountaineering office where he worked.

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The Flood / Bringing Back a Classic
« on: September 22, 2014, 01:11:11 PM »
Does .999 (Repeating) equal 1?

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Serious / What Should the US Drinking Age Be?
« on: September 21, 2014, 06:13:29 PM »


Image for reference.


Discuss. Should the US drinking age be lowered? Raised? Kept at 21?

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Serious / Dad Forces Son to Drink Alcohol until Unconcious with No Pulse
« on: September 18, 2014, 11:08:53 AM »
And people continue to defend the guy

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Police say an East Tennessee father forced his son to drink alcohol Saturday night until he passed out as a punishment after he caught the 15-year-old drinking.

WBIR-TV reports Sweetwater police have charged 35-year-old Mark Allen Hughes Tuesday with aggravated child abuse and neglect and with contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

A witness told police that Hughes gave his son vodka shots and said, "Take it. Take it. Drink up. You’re going to learn," WATE.com reported.

The station reported police were called to the teen's home by witnesses who said Hughes forced his son to play a drinking game. Officers said when they arrived, the boy had no pulse and they performed CPR until an ambulance arrived.

The teen's grandmother told WATE.com that the boy was placed on a ventilator. She told the station he has been released from the hospital and is doing well.

Sweetwater Police Chief Eddie Byrum says the case will be prosecuted to the fullest.

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Serious / ISIS Draws a Steady Stream of Recruits from Turkey
« on: September 17, 2014, 01:16:23 PM »
Found this to be an Interesting Article

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ANKARA, Turkey — Having spent most of his youth as a drug addict in one of the poorest neighborhoods of Turkey’s capital, Can did not think he had much to lose when he was smuggled into Syria with 10 of his childhood friends to join the world’s most extreme jihadist group.

After 15 days at a training camp in the Syrian city of Raqqa, the de facto headquarters of the group, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, the 27-year-old Can was assigned to a fighting unit. He said he shot two men and participated in a public execution. It was only after he buried a man alive that he was told he had become a full ISIS fighter.

“When you fight over there, it’s like being in a trance,” said Can, who asked to be referred to only by his middle name for fear of reprisal. “Everyone shouts, ‘God is the greatest,’ which gives you divine strength to kill the enemy without being fazed by blood or splattered guts,” he said.

Hundreds of foreign fighters, including some from Europe and the United States, have joined the ranks of ISIS in its self-proclaimed caliphate that sweeps over vast territories of Iraq and Syria. But one of the biggest source of recruits is neighboring Turkey, a NATO member with an undercurrent of Islamist discontent.

As many as 1,000 Turks have joined ISIS, according to Turkish news media reports and government officials here. Recruits cite the group’s ideological appeal to disaffected youths as well as the money it pays fighters from its flush coffers. The C.I.A. estimated last week that the group had from 20,000 to 31,500 fighters in Iraq and Syria.

The United States has put heavy pressure on Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, to better police Turkey’s 560-mile-long border with Syria. Washington wants Turkey to stanch the flow of foreign fighters and to stop ISIS from exporting the oil it produces on territory it holds in Syria and Iraq.

So far, Mr. Erdogan has resisted pleas to take aggressive steps against the group, citing the fate of 49 Turkish hostages ISIS has held since militants took over Iraq’s second-largest city, Mosul, in June. Turkey declined to sign a communiqué last Thursday that committed a number of regional states to take “appropriate” new measures to counter ISIS, frustrating American officials.

For years, Turkey has striven to set an example of Islamic democracy in the Middle East through its “zero problems with neighbors” prescription, the guiding principle of Ahmet Davutoglu, who recently became Turkey’s prime minister after serving for years as foreign minister. But miscalculations have left the country isolated and vulnerable in a region now plagued by war.

Turkey has been criticized at home and abroad for an open border policy in the early days of the Syrian uprising. Critics say that policy was crucial to the rise of ISIS. Turkey had bet that rebel forces would quickly topple the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, but as the war evolved, the extremists have benefited from the chaos.

Turkish fighters recruited by ISIS say they identify more with the extreme form of Islamic governance practiced by ISIS than with the rule of the Turkish governing party, which has its roots in a more moderate form of Islam.

Hacibayram, a ramshackle neighborhood in the heart of Ankara’s tourist district, has morphed into an ISIS recruitment hub over the past year. Locals say up to 100 residents have gone to fight for the group in Syria.

“It began when a stranger with a long, coarse beard started showing up in the neighborhood,” recalled Arif Akbas, the neighborhood’s elected headman of 30 years, who oversees local affairs. “The next thing we knew, all the drug addicts started going to the mosque.”

One of the first men to join ISIS from the neighborhood was Ozguzhan Gozlemcioglu, known to his ISIS counterparts as Muhammad Salef. In three years, he has risen to the status of a regional commander in Raqqa, and locals say he frequently travels in and out of Ankara, each time making sure to take back new recruits with him.

Mehmet Arabaci, a Hacibayram resident who assists with distributing government aid to the poor, said younger members of the local community found online pictures of Mr. Gozlemcioglu with weapons on the field and immediately took interest. Children have started to spend more time online since the municipality knocked down the only school in the area last year as part of an aggressive urban renewal project.

“There are now seven mosques in the vicinity, but not one school,” Mr. Arabaci said. “The lives of children here are so vacant that they find any excuse to be sucked into action.”

Playing in the rubble of a demolished building on a recent hot day here, two young boys staged a fight with toy guns.

When a young Syrian girl walked past them, they pounced on her, knocking her to the floor and pushing their toy rifles against her head. “I’m going to kill you, whore,” one of the boys shouted before launching into sound effects that imitated a machine gun.

The other boy quickly lost interest and walked away. “Toys are so boring,” he said. “I have real guns upstairs.”

The boy’s father, who owns a nearby market, said he fully supported ISIS’s vision for Islamic governance and hoped to send the boy and his other sons to Raqqa when they are older.

“The diluted form of Islam practiced in Turkey is an insult to the religion,” he said giving only his initials, T.C., to protect his identity. “In the Islamic State you lead a life of discipline as dictated by God, and then you are rewarded. Children there have parks and swimming pools. Here, my children play in the dirt.”

But when Can returned from Raqqa after three months with two of the original 10 friends he had left with, he was full of regret.

“ISIS is brutal,” he said. “They interpret the Quran for their own gains. God never ordered Muslims to kill Muslims.”

Still, he said many were drawn to the group for financial reasons, as it appealed to disadvantaged youth in less prosperous parts of Turkey. “When you fight, they offer $150 a day. Then everything else is free,” he said. “Even the shopkeepers give you free products out of fear.”

ISIS recruitment in Hacibayram caught the news media’s attention in June when a local 14-year-old recruit came back to the neighborhood after he was wounded in a shelling attack in Raqqa. The boy’s father, Yusuf, said that the government had made no formal inquiry into the episode and that members of the local community had started to condemn what they saw as inaction by the authorities.

“There are clearly recruitment centers being set up in Ankara and elsewhere in Turkey, but the government doesn’t seem to care,” said Aaron Stein, a fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, a London-based think tank. “It seems their hatred for Bashar al-Assad and their overly nuanced view of what radical Islam is has led to a very short- and narrow-sighted policy that has serious implications.”

The Interior Ministry and National Police Department did not respond to requests for comment.

On a recent afternoon in Ankara, Mr. Erdogan and Mr. Davutoglu came to pray at the historic Haci Bayram Veli Mosque, just over 100 yards away from an underground mosque used by a radical Salafi sect known to oversee ISIS recruits.

When news of their visit reached the neighborhood, several residents scurried down the steep hill hoping to catch an opportunity to raise the issue.

At the same time, a 10-year-old boy lingered in his family’s shop, laughing at the crowd rushing to get a glimpse of the two leaders. He had just listened to a long lecture from his father celebrating ISIS’ recent beheading of James Foley, an American journalist. “He was an agent and deserved to die,” the man told his son, half-smirking through his thick beard.

To which the boy replied, “Journalists, infidels of this country; we’ll kill them all.”


Tl;Dr: ISIS is recruiting a steady amount of recruits, and whole families, from various areas around Turkey - including Ankara. Thanks to their open border, it's easy to do so. Turkish leaders deny this is happening.

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Serious / New Video Claims to show the Beheading of David Haines by ISIS
« on: September 13, 2014, 05:11:17 PM »
Here and Here

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A NEW video from the Islamic State claims to show the beheading of a third prisoner — British man David Haines — and threatens America’s allies for supporting action in the Middle East.

The video appears intended as a direct threat to British Prime Minister David Cameron:

“For being a lapdog, Cameron, you will drag your people into another bloody and unwinnable war,” the video warns.

“This British man has to pay the price for your promise, Cameron, to arm the Peshmerga against the Islamic State.”

David Haines is also shown reciting an Islamic State script.

“You followed Americans into Iraq, following the trend of British Prime Ministers who cannot find the courage to say no to Americans,” he appears to say

“Unfortunately, it is we the British public, that in the end that will pay the price for our parliaments selfish decisions.”

The executioner, speaking with a British accent, repeats previous threats, stating the United States must end its air strikes against jihadists in Iraq.

“This British man has to pay the price for your promise, Cameron,” he says. “Ironically, he has spent a decade of his life serving under the same Royal Air Force that is responsible for delivering those arms. Your evil alliance with America which continues to strike the Muslims of Iraq and most recently bombed the Haditha Dam will only accelerate your destruction.”

The video closes with yet another threat, this time to the life of alleged British captive Alan Henning. He is understood to be an aid worker.


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Serious / Chardon H.S. Shooter escapes Prison
« on: September 11, 2014, 09:22:40 PM »
Well then. That sucks

Figure I'd just share in case anyone here lives in Ohio.

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Serious / Congressional Leaders duck on ISIL
« on: September 09, 2014, 10:07:27 AM »
Wait...so now, they're fine with Obama droning without approval?

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House and Senate leadership have a similar reaction when it comes to the increasingly serious threat from ISIL in the Middle East: We’re not getting involved.

Top House Republican and Senate Democratic leadership have next to no interest in passing any sort of legislation to deal with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) threat in Iraq and Syria, according to aides. The top lawmakers believe President Barack Obama has enough authority as commander in chief to launch strikes without congressional action — at least for a short period of time.

And neither Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) nor Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) think Congress has any role – unless Obama asks them directly to take a proposal up.

Both Reid and Boehner are navigating tricky political waters when it comes to dealing with this issue. Reid is trying to keep his majority in the Senate, and Boehner has a House Republican Conference that’s deeply split between defense friendly hawks and war weary libertarians. Several House Republicans say there has been lots of chatter about passing something, but there’s not one leading proposal. With time short — the House is only slated to be in for two weeks before adjourning for the midterm elections — that makes it unlikely anything will reach the floor in time for a vote.

“Reid and Boehner are in the same position here,” said a senior Senate Democratic aide. “They both don’t want to vote on this.”

The rare political alignment — which was revealed during background interviews with top House and Senate sources — comes the day before Boehner, Reid, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) trek down Pennsylvania Avenue to meet Obama to discuss ISIL. Obama is scheduled to address the nation Wednesday. Top intelligence officials will brief the Senate on Wednesday and House on Thursday. CIA Director John Brennan briefed the House Intelligence Committee Monday evening.

The politics of doing nothing works for both parties, at least for the moment. Having no responsibility for the outcome is fortuitous – especially in war. Hawkish Republicans like Sens. John McCain (Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (S.C.) have called for much stronger military action against ISIL, and criticized Obama for not being more aggressive, even though many of their GOP colleagues have not endorsed any such position.

When Obama convenes Tuesday’s Oval Office meeting, Boehner will be looking to press him on his strategy for dealing with the threat. Republican leaders are sharply critical of how the president has dealt with ISIS so far.

“I think what we need to hear is a real strategy – an admission by the president that his feckless policies haven’t worked up to now, and he knows he needs to do something different and better,” one GOP leadership aide said Monday.

But House Republicans have some political problems of their own. Senior GOP aides say lawmakers reported they heard about ISIS frequently in their districts. Many aides are watching the polling, and are keenly aware where public opinion is. A CNN/ORC poll released Monday showed that 76 percent want additional airstrikes against ISIS, and 61 percent oppose sending U.S. soldiers to engage in a ground war with terrorist forces.

It would also mean expanding the military campaign against ISIL to Syria, and potentially helping prop up the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, who Obama has called on to leave office. Just a year ago, Obama initially said he was going to Congress seeking authorization for U.S. intervention in the Syrian civil war, and then backed away from that vote after it became clear that even Democrats wouldn’t support such a measure, a hugely embarrassing reversal for the president.

There’s still a chance Congress will have to pass something to facilitate an anti-SIL military campaign by U.S. forces. Obama could ask for additional money to combat the threat, and that could end up in a must-pass government-funding bill set to hit the House floor this week.

The hesitance from congressional leaders on moving forward on an ISIL resolution isn’t matched by their own backbenchers. A number of Hill Democrats – including influential voices on foreign-policy issues – have openly called on Obama to seek a resolution authorizing military action against ISIL. The White House has shown no inclination to do so up until now.

These Democrats include Sens. Tim Kaine of Virginia, Jack Reed of Rhode Island, Bill Nelson of Florida and Chris Murphy of Connecticut. Reed could end up as chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee in the next Congress if Democrats hold onto their majority, giving him added clout on this issue. Reed has suggested a “a long-term, intense operation” against ISIL could require congressional approval.

Rep. Eliot Engel of New York, the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, has also called for congressional action, and believes a majority of his Democrat colleagues support his position.

“I think that the president has an initial period under the War Powers Act to do what he needs to do,” Engel said Monday night. “If this is a sustained battle, as it will be, he has to come to the Congress for an authorization.”

But politics could halt any floor action, he said.

“Let’s face it — Election Day is a couple months away, and these are tough votes. But you know what? We are paid to make tough decisions. That’s what we’re here for. I am ready to take the vote before Election Day, after Election Day, whatever.”

Engel and Rep. Ed Royce (R-Calif.), chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, have invited Secretary of State John Kerry to testify before their panel next week.

For his part, Royce said he wants to hear from Obama on Wednesday before deciding whether to move forward with a vote.

Rep. Adam Smith (Wash.), top Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, believes Obama will ultimately need congressional approval for any ISIL-related action, but is not looking to force the White House’s hand at this point.

Smith also acknowledges that it is rough vote politically for many lawmakers.

“It’s too soon to say. Congress just got back into session,” Smith declared about the need for Congress to weigh in on ISIL. “I think in an ideal world, the House and the Senate come together on an AUMF [authorization for the use of military force] for what’s going on in Syria and Iraq. As I have pointed out, that will be difficult to achieve for a wide variety of reasons.”

If the White House does ever decide to ask Congress for an authorization for its ISIL campaign, some Senate Democrats would like to see the United Nation’s Security Council back such a move first, a potentially tough hurdle for Obama to overcome.

These Democrats also want to see a broad-based coalition of U.S. allies in Europe and the Middle East signing onto the effort before they would approve any resolution. Kerry is heading to Jordan and Saudi Arabia to round up support for an ISIL-focused military campaign.

“If [Obama] wants to expand the campaign and do something he would need a military authorization for, first let him build an international coalition and do what [former President George W.] Bush did and get a U.N. resolution,” suggested a Senate Democratic aide. “Then come back to us after that and we can talk about it.”





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Serious / In Honor of the Vote for a 28th Amendment...
« on: September 08, 2014, 12:05:08 PM »
Yeah, that's apparently going on.

Don't expect it to get anywhere, but the Senate is voting on a 28th Amendment to limit the amount people and corporations can donate to political campaigns - a way to go against the SCOTUS ruling in Citizens United vs FEC.

So, in honor of that vote, do you support a limit on the amount one person or group can donate? Should people and corporations be able to donate whatever they want to a campaign? Does that essentially buy an election?

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Serious / Is Globalization more Positive or Negative?
« on: September 05, 2014, 04:29:05 PM »
I'll leave the topic open ended and not just say "Good or Bad".

So, discuss whether globalization has had a more positive effect on the world as a whole, or a more negative impact. Back up your reasoning.


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Serious / How Would the World Be Different....
« on: September 04, 2014, 10:23:16 AM »
If America lost the Revolution?


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Serious / First Gay Marriage Ban Upheld in Over A Year
« on: September 03, 2014, 12:29:02 PM »
Of course it's Louisiana

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WASHINGTON -- Bucking a nationwide trend, a federal judge in Louisiana upheld a state ban on same-sex marriage on Wednesday, writing that "any right to same-sex marriage is not yet so entrenched as to be fundamental" and that gay marriage was "inconceivable until very recently."

"The Court is persuaded that a meaning of what is marriage that has endured in history for thousands of years, and prevails in a majority of states today, is not universally irrational on the constitutional grid," U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman, who was appointed to the bench by President Ronald Reagan in 1983, wrote.

Feldman noted that his was the only federal court to uphold a gay marriage ban since the Supreme Court struck down the Defense of Marriage Act last year.

"It would no doubt be celebrated to be in the company of the near-unanimity of the many other federal courts that have spoken to this pressing issue, if this Court were confident in the belief that those cases provide a correct guide," Feldman wrote.

The court "hesitates with the notion that this state's choice could only be inspired by hate and intolerance," the judge wrote, holding that Louisiana "has a legitimate interest ... whether obsolete in the opinion of some, or not, in the opinion of others ... in linking children to an intact family formed by their two biological parents."

Feldman said that "inconvenient questions persist" about the recognition of same-sex marriage and posed a few slippery-slope questions of his own.

"For example, must the states permit or recognize a marriage between an aunt and niece? Aunt and nephew? Brother/brother? Father and child? May minors marry? Must marriage be limited to only two people? What about a transgender spouse? Is such a union same-gender or male-female? All such unions would undeniably be equally committed to love and caring for one another, just like the plaintiffs," he wrote.

How the fuck did this guy get office?

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