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« on: October 14, 2015, 01:04:46 AM »
Of course you need men, and no, I only support monogamy. But the way in which humans have evolved is one where males are more expendable,( It's why men are physically stronger and more wiling to do anything that's dangerous). My opinion is just a consequence of growth being limited the scarcer resources, one of which happens to be women capable of bearing children; I see no benefit in making such a resource more scarce.
That is a really really really really toxic perspective of how generations should be made. Thinking of men as no more than the means of sperm delivery and women no more than baby ovens are two of the most sexist and demeaning values imaginable. "Growth" that entails anything but having many children with the same spouse over time is how you get a generation of single parent families that leave long lasting negative effects on those children.
And if women are to be afforded such a gracious privilege, the least they should do is be obligated to fulfill their end of the bargain and bear children, but not even that is asked of them.
I did not say that men are expendable, but that they are more expendable. You need men and women for humanity to continue existing, I accept this. What I do not accept is the idea that men and women are equally capable of military activity. And because I consider family to be important, I expect men and women to co-operate in raising children. Even bacterium understand on some level the need to reproduce.
512
« on: October 14, 2015, 12:58:52 AM »
And if we don't need millitaries, why would we want more women to join them?
Even if it's not needed, if we're going to have a military, there should be equality in it. As with everything.
I don't think I understand where you're coming from, why is equality so important that any other metric can be sacrificed in favor of it?
513
« on: October 14, 2015, 12:56:51 AM »
Isn't the purpose of having a defense force to defend your country? you need women for your country to continue existing, so sending them off to die rather defeats the point, no?
Don't you need men for that purpose too? Or are you an espouser of polygamy or some sort of breeding system in the event of a gender imbalance favoring females?
Of course you need men, and no, I only support monogamy. But the way in which humans have evolved is one where males are more expendable,( It's why men are physically stronger and more wiling to do anything that's dangerous). My opinion is just a consequence of growth being limited the scarcer resources, one of which happens to be women capable of bearing children; I see no benefit in making such a resource more scarce.
And men who would help raise families are an abundant and disposable resource? I don't really see why you think only a fraction of women are capable of bearing children. If you're the monogamous type then under your system a functional family probably includes two people producing and raising children.
This isn't really the direction I'd approach this issue from to begin with but sending out one gender and not the other, and saying that it's OK because you don't need that gender to continue societal growth, seems contradictory. If you assume a 50/50 split of the genders and send out 10% of the men and they die, and you assume monogamous relationships and complete pairings without cheating, etc., then at maximum you now have 80% of the original population reproducing.
On the other hand if you sent out 5% of the women and 5% of the men to die, that leaves 90% of the original population to reproduce.
If that's really how you want to approach this issue.
More being the operative word in that sentence. Good men are just as vital to a society as women are, but there is no way to go about defending your country without suffering losses,you can only minimize them, and evolution has already shaped humans into two distinct categories, one which is more capable of physical and dangerous activities, and one which is not. To cut a long story short, if you really wanted to have female soldiers, you would effectively have to turn them into men with two x chromosomes, and if you're going to do that then you may as well just start with men in the first place and save yourself a lot of trouble.
514
« on: October 14, 2015, 12:49:24 AM »
About Gay marriage, I really wish people would be just as passionate if not more about productive things than they are about something so petty; every-now and then I watch a documentary about NASA and the space race, and wish that people cared about that and not this.
But to clarify my position. What do you think is the purpose of marriage? it's to create an environment in which both parents are dedicated to raising children. If you just want to have sex, why get married? Now this alone is not a complicated idea, two people love eachother and want to start a family - you don't necessarily need religion or government to help you with that, but the two systems have attempted to provide a justification for their intrusion.
For the government it is a matter of survival, if the population is not reproducing then all the citizens grow old and/or die, and the country ceases to exist. likewise young people and old people cannot work and maintain the country, so a constant supply of people is needed to keep things running. So it is in the government's best interest to encourage couples to reproduce, which can be done by providing tax breaks and other bonuses to couples that have kids.
For the religion you have to ask what the purpose of religion is, and I would argue it's simply to help maintain a community:
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
I'm not even a christian and yet I can see that keeping people together is the best thing about a religion. Furthermore the religion itself needs followers to survive, so like the government it directly benefits from supporting families.
Now where do gays factor into this? trick question, they don't. The entire concept of gay marriage is a contradiction because gay people cannot biologically have children with eachother, which is the entirre point of marriage; neither religion nor government has any incentive whatsoever to support them; you wouldn't pay someone to masturbate all day, yet you'd give tax breaks to people who only want to fuck eachother?
515
« on: October 14, 2015, 12:28:11 AM »
Isn't the purpose of having a defense force to defend your country? you need women for your country to continue existing, so sending them off to die rather defeats the point, no?Gotta love the thinly veiled sexism ITT
is it the bitter towards female privilege camp or is it the women arent good enough to serve camp
i cant tell which you mean
Mainly referring to Slash and this whole "women can't serve in combat roles" bullshit. If men can serve in combat roles, women can too. I don't care if it makes the military 1/1000 as effective, there's still an ethical obligation to allow equality.
Is this a joke? It would be beyond farcical if it were serious.
What the fuck? No, gender equality is not a joke.
You are literally saying that you would be fine with crippling the army, destroying it's entire reason for existing,g and above all get your people killed, for the sake of a vague notion of equality.
How is making the military worse at doing it's job, by your own admission, an ethical obligation?
Equality is far more important than military strength. We don't even need militaries in this day and age.
Your notion of equality can only be made a reality if you're capable of defending it against any invading force. In my opinion survival precedes all other wants and needs, and one of the requirements for a society to survive is that it must be able to protect itself. And if we don't need millitaries, why would we want more women to join them?
516
« on: October 14, 2015, 12:23:03 AM »
Isn't the purpose of having a defense force to defend your country? you need women for your country to continue existing, so sending them off to die rather defeats the point, no?
Don't you need men for that purpose too? Or are you an espouser of polygamy or some sort of breeding system in the event of a gender imbalance favoring females?
Of course you need men, and no, I only support monogamy. But the way in which humans have evolved is one where males are more expendable,( It's why men are physically stronger and more wiling to do anything that's dangerous). My opinion is just a consequence of growth being limited the scarcer resources, one of which happens to be women capable of bearing children; I see no benefit in making such a resource more scarce.
517
« on: October 14, 2015, 12:16:58 AM »
Isn't the purpose of having a defense force to defend your country? you need women for your country to continue existing, so sending them off to die rather defeats the point, no?Gotta love the thinly veiled sexism ITT
is it the bitter towards female privilege camp or is it the women arent good enough to serve camp
i cant tell which you mean
Mainly referring to Slash and this whole "women can't serve in combat roles" bullshit. If men can serve in combat roles, women can too. I don't care if it makes the military 1/1000 as effective, there's still an ethical obligation to allow equality.
Is this a joke? It would be beyond farcical if it were serious.
What the fuck? No, gender equality is not a joke.
You are literally saying that you would be fine with crippling the army, destroying it's entire reason for existing,g and above all get your people killed, for the sake of a vague notion of equality. How is making the military worse at doing it's job, by your own admission, an ethical obligation?
518
« on: October 14, 2015, 12:12:24 AM »
Isn't the purpose of having a defense force to defend your country? you need women for your country to continue existing, so sending them off to die rather defeats the point, no? Gotta love the thinly veiled sexism ITT
is it the bitter towards female privilege camp or is it the women arent good enough to serve camp
i cant tell which you mean
Mainly referring to Slash and this whole "women can't serve in combat roles" bullshit. If men can serve in combat roles, women can too. I don't care if it makes the military 1/1000 as effective, there's still an ethical obligation to allow equality.
Is this a joke? It would be beyond farcical if it were serious.
519
« on: October 14, 2015, 12:07:28 AM »
http://healthystrokes.com/
I-I didn't even know you could jack it like that...why do you know about that site?
I can't remember, I came across it somewhere on the internet years ago
Sure sure.
520
« on: October 14, 2015, 12:06:46 AM »
But since it's already in a weird limbo state it doesn't really need to be fixed, just ignored when convenient.
It didn't become canonish until Peace Walker was already in the works/done.
And I expected him and naomi to show up because I could've sworn she mentions meeting BB on a codec in MGS1 towards the end.
Yeah but she's a minor character that isn't really integral to Big Boss's story.
Ah, I can't say I'm that familiar with the history of MGS canon. And it was just one of those little nos that seem so obvious when you go back through the series. The kicker for me was how, at the end of MGS1 liquid says to solid "there can only be one snake and one Big Boss", and at the end of MGS3 the boss says to Naked snake "there can only be one snake and one boss", but then in V, Big Boss never says the line to Eli it. and I know that he couldn't have known that line because he's venom, and that the line really doesn't mean much, but it's the kind of story link that I was really hoping to see.
521
« on: October 14, 2015, 12:03:11 AM »
http://healthystrokes.com/
I-I didn't even know you could jack it like that...why do you know about that site?
522
« on: October 13, 2015, 11:46:27 PM »
The current Prime minister and his party have been systematically selling off every single part of my country; The land, the forests, the mines, the state owned businesses, the education system, our private information, even our goddamn flag. this party spearheaded the TPP by the way, so I can't even tell how much more we've lost. Now it just so happens to be that John Key is the child of a Jewish mother, went to synagogues as a kid, and made millions working in, wait for it, banks.
I never understood why some people would hate an entire race, and even today I can't bring myself to do so, but seeing my country being outright destroyed by such a stereotypical Jew gives me quite a perspective.
523
« on: October 13, 2015, 11:35:27 PM »
Isn't declaring PO non canon enough to fix it?
Portable Ops is still canon, though. There are just parts of the game that... aren't.
Tbh I thought MGSV was going to utilise that but they never did. I thought Jaeger would surely show up at some point.
But since it's already in a weird limbo state it doesn't really need to be fixed, just ignored when convenient. And I expected him and naomi to show up because I could've sworn she mentions meeting BB on a codec in MGS1 towards the end.
524
« on: October 13, 2015, 11:32:34 PM »
Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.
Discuss
I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.
It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
You go ahead and repeat that to every America you meet, every little kid and young impressionable person you meet, and you tell me how they respond to it. There's nothing wrong with coming to terms of your people's history, in fact I'd consider it the duty of every citizen to know their country's past, my country New Zealand has a similar story; But what your asking for is nothing short of self flagellation, and that is not going to achieve anything beneficial to anybody.
Several states already feel as I do
Even if everybody in the entire world missed the point, then the only thing that implies, is that everybody has missed the point. Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message?
Or just you missed the point
I was including myself when I said everyone: Even if I'm wrong with everyone else, then the only thing that implies is that we are all wrong together. Please try not to avoid the discussion we're having.
It's not "everyone" else.
4 states have already made the switch. The rest need to follow suit
I think you misunderstand, that was a very general statement I made that could be applied to literally any proposition you could conceive of.
To clarify, consider a person who thinks that:
7*2 = -3246843
This is wrong and can be proven so. Now if instead of one person who wrongly believed in that, you had a thousand, a million, the entire world, or any arbitrary amount of people who believe in that, then it would still be false. A statement's truth does not depend in any way shape or from upon how many people believe in it.
The reason why I'm explaining this is because you seem to think that "multiple states have already replaced Columbus day" somehow implies "replacing Columbus day is a good thing" which is just as ludicrous as the equation above.
——-
Now please just answer the question that you keep avoiding, Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message? Do you not see how you are simply trying to guilt trip people?
Your logic cuts both ways. As I see it, everyone has been wrong, and a few right are changing things.
Now, this isn't about making anyone feel guilty. It's about ending a holiday named for a man who was as bad as any monster you can name.
And what I am trying to say is that regardless of what you believe you're doing, regardless of what wrongs you're trying to right, the only thin you'll achieve by making this replacement is creating a white guilt day. And while I'm at it, could you show me exactly what his crimes are? we don't get taught that kind of thing outside of America.
525
« on: October 13, 2015, 11:12:20 PM »
At least Peace Walker had some level of significance in the overall plot of the Snakes. MGSV is probably the least important MGS game to date (in that you can not play it and you won't be lost in the others.)
V may as well be filler for all it accomplished, but PW really has no need to exist. The end of Snake Eater sets up every motive needed to result in the later games happening, Naked snake begins his decent into becoming Big Boss and all the technical details about the patriots and foxhound and LET and all the rest fit in with this timeline. PW is just snake chasing robots that are never refereed to anywhere, building a base and army that isn't refereed to anywhere else but V (which doesn't count since that's the point of V), and killing the boss again.
I love PW but it's pointless, V was meant to justify it's existence but it never did.
The whole point of PW was to correct PO, though.
Isn't declaring PO non canon enough to fix it? At least Peace Walker had some level of significance in the overall plot of the Snakes. MGSV is probably the least important MGS game to date (in that you can not play it and you won't be lost in the others.)
V may as well be filler for all it accomplished, but PW really has no need to exist. The end of Snake Eater sets up every motive needed to result in the later games happening, Naked snake begins his decent into becoming Big Boss and all the technical details about the patriots and foxhound and LET and all the rest fit in with this timeline. PW is just snake chasing robots that are never refereed to anywhere, building a base and army that isn't refereed to anywhere else but V (which doesn't count since that's the point of V), and killing the boss again.
I love PW but it's pointless, V was meant to justify it's existence but it never did.
You may think PW is pointless, and you may have a point in the overall grand scheme of things, but it did provide some more context into Big Boss. But MGSV is just as pointless, if not more so. I don't need to explain why due to the posts above.
I'm not disagreeing, V failed to achieve it's entire purpose, but I do think it succeeded in doing something completely off-topic.
526
« on: October 13, 2015, 11:09:49 PM »
Little bit off topic here, but does anybody ever get a sour taste in their mouths, so to speak, after taking a stroll through philosophy stuff like this? Particularily debates?
Seems like a colossal waste of energy for some reason, because usually a philosophy on something as vague and open ended as death is all up to how people interpret things and personal opinion.
It's like watching two people trying to knock each other over with the slight breeze generated by their waving hand motions.
I actually dread when people bring this shit up.
I think it's because it's impossible to determine if you know enough about philosophy to know when something is stupid/wrong, or if you actually don't know nearly enough to form a valid opinion on it.
Is this entire discussion some high level esoteric philosophy, or have we all just made a simple mistake and no one noticed? I can't tell and no one else can either.
Well are you gonna go out and learn and come back and educate us or are you saying we should avoid these discussions merely because we're ignorant? 
Nah, these discussions are fun but you have to remember that you don't know what you don't know.
527
« on: October 13, 2015, 03:30:32 AM »
At least Peace Walker had some level of significance in the overall plot of the Snakes. MGSV is probably the least important MGS game to date (in that you can not play it and you won't be lost in the others.)
V may as well be filler for all it accomplished, but PW really has no need to exist. The end of Snake Eater sets up every motive needed to result in the later games happening, Naked snake begins his decent into becoming Big Boss and all the technical details about the patriots and foxhound and LET and all the rest fit in with this timeline. PW is just snake chasing robots that are never refereed to anywhere, building a base and army that isn't refereed to anywhere else but V (which doesn't count since that's the point of V), and killing the boss again.I love PW but it's pointless, V was meant to justify it's existence but it never did.
528
« on: October 13, 2015, 03:20:48 AM »
I stopped playing La Mulana right before the final boss battle for no reason at all. that's about it.
529
« on: October 13, 2015, 03:13:20 AM »
Little bit off topic here, but does anybody ever get a sour taste in their mouths, so to speak, after taking a stroll through philosophy stuff like this? Particularily debates?
Seems like a colossal waste of energy for some reason, because usually a philosophy on something as vague and open ended as death is all up to how people interpret things and personal opinion.
It's like watching two people trying to knock each other over with the slight breeze generated by their waving hand motions.
I actually dread when people bring this shit up.
I think it's because it's impossible to determine if you know enough about philosophy to know when something is stupid/wrong, or if you actually don't know nearly enough to form a valid opinion on it. Is this entire discussion some high level esoteric philosophy, or have we all just made a simple mistake and no one noticed? I can't tell and no one else can either.
530
« on: October 13, 2015, 03:03:47 AM »
I like to imagine that there's plenty of life out there but none of them have any significant presence in outer space due to funding cuts and a lack of support for their space programs. Aliens just don't understand the value of space travel.
531
« on: October 13, 2015, 01:30:40 AM »
The future is uncertain and the past will be forgotten, but the present is something we all share, that's where the real beauty is.
532
« on: October 13, 2015, 01:12:51 AM »
Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.
Discuss
I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.
It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
You go ahead and repeat that to every America you meet, every little kid and young impressionable person you meet, and you tell me how they respond to it. There's nothing wrong with coming to terms of your people's history, in fact I'd consider it the duty of every citizen to know their country's past, my country New Zealand has a similar story; But what your asking for is nothing short of self flagellation, and that is not going to achieve anything beneficial to anybody.
Several states already feel as I do
Even if everybody in the entire world missed the point, then the only thing that implies, is that everybody has missed the point. Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message?
Or just you missed the point
I was including myself when I said everyone: Even if I'm wrong with everyone else, then the only thing that implies is that we are all wrong together. Please try not to avoid the discussion we're having.
It's not "everyone" else.
4 states have already made the switch. The rest need to follow suit
I think you misunderstand, that was a very general statement I made that could be applied to literally any proposition you could conceive of. To clarify, consider a person who thinks that: 7*2 = -3246843 This is wrong and can be proven so. Now if instead of one person who wrongly believed in that, you had a thousand, a million, the entire world, or any arbitrary amount of people who believe in that, then it would still be false. A statement's truth does not depend in any way shape or from upon how many people believe in it. The reason why I'm explaining this is because you seem to think that "multiple states have already replaced Columbus day" somehow implies "replacing Columbus day is a good thing" which is just as ludicrous as the equation above. ——- Now please just answer the question that you keep avoiding, Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message? Do you not see how you are simply trying to guilt trip people?
533
« on: October 13, 2015, 01:03:35 AM »
The problem I've always seen with any kind of serious discussion both irl and online, is that people don't go into a discussion with the intention of learning whether or not they're wrong, to most people a discussions is just a method of preaching and confirmation bias.
Now over the past year I've learned to see the world from a rigorous, mathematically logical perspective; that is, I try to break every idea down to it's most fundamental axioms, and only use logically valid arguments to draw further implications from those axioms. Because of this is I am always willing to admit that any concept, any implications, any idea on which I base my views, can be proven wrong in a systematic way, and that those ideas should be discarded in favor of ones that can be proven correct. I am not quite at the level where I could convey all the subtleties of this method, so I can only ask that you pick up a book on mathematical logic and see where it takes you.
What I'm getting at is that the only way you could stand to gain unique and useful insights from discussions, is if you either used this method or one that is logically equivalent to it, because anything else just leads to soapboxing and straw-manning and just nothing productive. And before you say it this isn't me trying to claim that I'm smarter than anyone here, the only agenda I push is that mathematics is not boring, and that the world is far more interesting once you understand it.
I mean just looking over this board I already see people talking at eachother, not with eachother. There's no goddamn point to being here if we're not going to try and understand where eachother's ideas come from, and there's no point in preaching your own ideas if you yourself can't reconstruct them all from starting axioms.
So what exactly are you trying to get out your discussions?
534
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:24:27 AM »
anyone who calls random shit memes is a waste of space. "Meme" isnt just a word you tack on to the end of arguments to sound cool and superior.
If you want to get technical about it, the original definition of the word meme refers to any idea that can be transmitted from one mind to another, that can undergo changes analogous to mutations, face competition with other ideas, and just in general undergo their own form of evolution due to selection pressures imposed by the environment that the meme finds itself in. Islam as a religion, like every other religion that has existed, is a collection of cultural memes. Criticism of islam and of any other religion is just the same, a collection of ideas that change over time. Despite it's original meaning being overshadowed with the more popular interne definition, the concept of a meme is a very general one that can be applied to literally any idea that you can communicate, so as a matter of fact you can tack on meme to the end of a sentence and have it be perfectly valid.
535
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:09:29 AM »
Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.
Discuss
I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.
It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
You go ahead and repeat that to every America you meet, every little kid and young impressionable person you meet, and you tell me how they respond to it. There's nothing wrong with coming to terms of your people's history, in fact I'd consider it the duty of every citizen to know their country's past, my country New Zealand has a similar story; But what your asking for is nothing short of self flagellation, and that is not going to achieve anything beneficial to anybody.
Several states already feel as I do
Even if everybody in the entire world missed the point, then the only thing that implies, is that everybody has missed the point. Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message?
Or just you missed the point
I was including myself when I said everyone: Even if I'm wrong with everyone else, then the only thing that implies is that we are all wrong together. Please try not to avoid the discussion we're having.
536
« on: October 13, 2015, 12:06:17 AM »
I don't think parents act with the consent of their children, but with the intention of improving their well-being. I suppose any relationship that is analogous to the parent-child one would have similar implications.
537
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:54:47 PM »
I'm enjoying this life too much for death to stop me.
538
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:53:14 PM »
Personally, I'm for this. Europeans didn't discover the Americas. People were already here.
Discuss
I figure the purpose of such a holiday as Columbus Day would be to celebrate the achievements of your ancestors, not to twist them into a means of white guilting everyone.
It's not about making you feel guilty. It's about stopping the whitewash of history that paints a monster as a great man. Columbus was as bad as Hitler or Stalin. Read up on what he did. He ordered the rape, murder and enslavement of an entire people. He committed genocide and got a national holiday out of it.
You go ahead and repeat that to every America you meet, every little kid and young impressionable person you meet, and you tell me how they respond to it. There's nothing wrong with coming to terms of your people's history, in fact I'd consider it the duty of every citizen to know their country's past, my country New Zealand has a similar story; But what your asking for is nothing short of self flagellation, and that is not going to achieve anything beneficial to anybody.
Several states already feel as I do
Even if everybody in the entire world missed the point, then the only thing that implies, is that everybody has missed the point. Do you honestly not understand the kind of message that you'd be conveying, that those states are conveying, by spreading this message?
539
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:14:24 PM »
When I first heard people calling him a traitor I thought it was some bizarre parody of how an idiot would respond to someone helping them understand their government better, but I guess people just honestly believe he is one.
540
« on: October 12, 2015, 11:10:43 PM »
Yes so I can prepare popcorn in advance and sync my schedules to it.
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