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Serious / Re: Why should transgenderism be something we "accept"?
« on: October 29, 2015, 05:16:03 AM »
I love how people act like "logic" is some big trump card and that emotions should have no play in anything
You may not be aware of it but mathematics is effectively constructed from propositional logic, so it's one of my specialties.

Now the thing about maths and logic is that the labels you give to any concept do not actually change that concept (the labels only have use in communication). A cube and a triangle will always be different things even if you call one by the other's name. We can extend this notion of concepts being distinct from their labels to the abstract concept of logic itself.

When people refer to logic, provided that they are talking about the very well defined mathematical concept of logic, and not the poorly defined english language concept that shares the same label, then they are referring to a process by which a person starts from something they consider to be a fundamental truth, and then demonstrates how the properties of that truth can imply properties of something else.

For example, you could take the existence of clouds as a fundamental truth, and then say that because clouds exist, rain exists, and because rain exists, weather exists. This is a very weak argument because the fundamental truth, the existence of clouds, is not very fundamental, for a cloud to exist you need the existence of atoms, forces between atoms, energy itself, entropy, the earth and solar system...there is a lot of things that precede the existence of clouds.

Furthermore, the way in which one would go from the existence of clouds to the existence of rain is not explained at all under this definition, which is another reason why the argument is logically weak. I realize I could get quite a bit more pedantic here but It wouldn't be helpful and I'd need to refer to some textbooks.

So what we're looking at with logic is just a method of explaining how the properties of one thing implies the properties of another, it's not an esoteric idea but really quite a simple one, but unless you sit down and examine it through a mathematical context you will get caught up on the subtleties of it and have only yourself to blame.

Now the point i'm building up to is this, if using emotions, you were able to formulate an argument from something we can all agree upon as being true, and derive a conclusion that makes sense and does not skip over important details, then you would not have used emotions at all, but simply used logic, because the labels do not matter.

People essentially define "emotional thinking" as "not logical thinking" which by even this crude definition means that "emotions" are incapable of creating a meaningful and truthful argument, because if they could then that would contradict their definition.  And I cannot stress just how important that last sentence is, but it cannot be conveyed without a formal understanding of logic.

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The Flood / Re: Septagon Spoiler Policy
« on: October 29, 2015, 04:51:15 AM »
The Princess is the seventh.
I don't understand. Spoil me on whatever the hell you're talking about.
Rokka no Yuusha aired last season, it's basically a detective story in a fantasy setting, shit was pretty good.

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Serious / Re: Why should transgenderism be something we "accept"?
« on: October 29, 2015, 04:46:17 AM »
Soon we'll be accepting pedophiles and rapists too! "They can't control it, it's how they were born"
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope
I'd like to note that extraploating data isn't a fallacy but a statistical technique. Like all statistics there's an ass load of caveats that go with it, and it's entirely possible to extrapolate the wrong thing like:

But the notion of looking at a trend of "we are increasingly accepting more sexual deviancies as a society" and saying "so we're probably going to keep doing so" is not inherently flawed.

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And in the West girls face immense social pressure to wear make-up. Honor killings are family specific, not inherent to Muslims.
I would in no way consider makeup to be an integral part of Western culture or religion, it's disgusting seeing girls being taught and encouraged to lie to themselves and everyone they know.

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I can't tell, does the Swedish government just flat out hate swedes, or have they gotten to the point where they can't even comprehend dissenting opinions? I also can't tell which is worse.

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Serious / Re: I finally realize why having close friends is important
« on: October 29, 2015, 04:21:31 AM »
Close friends that you can rely on are a godsend, you can't live without them so once you find them don't you dare turn your back on them OP.

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The Flood / Re: I am mentally ill
« on: October 29, 2015, 04:06:06 AM »
From my beautiful avatar you can tell I'm in peak mental condition currently.
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I like doing things to take my mind off of this stuff. I'm not you, but perhaps this forum isn't the best solution. Does working out make you feel better? I know sometimes to take my mind off things I just need to do something so physically demanding that it saps me of thought.
I'd heartily recommend running or swimming or body weight exercises - it's the best kind of mind numbing activity you can do.

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I'll start off myself with a simple truth at the core of who I am, that men and women are fundamentally, biologically, different from one another. We are both complimentary to one another and both mean and women need eachother, we cannot exist independently of one another so the idea that one sex is simply better than the other does not make sense. How can a circle be better than the number 7? that doesn't make any sense.

Of course there ARE areas of expertise at which men and women naturally have different levels of competency at; I was at a military experience day a while back and it was amazing how every girl was able to quickly and easily interact with every other girl as though they had always been friends, while it took us men considerably longer to get to the acquaintance level of interaction.

Likewise, I fucking love maths, I've gone over it's several thousand year history and found amongst hundreds of noteworthy men, only two women - Meanwhile in my personal life, the best mathematician I've ever met was the female embodiment of Clint Eastwood,  but she is the only exception amongst all the men.

Again, men and women are different kinds of people so of course they will have different skills set - it's quite obvious that man's technical skillset is more useful for advancing technology and society, but it is all completely useless without women to hold it together.
So with this all in mind:
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has an inherently negative opinion of femininity as a trait on average, and things associated with said trait are continued to be negatives at face value.
This is simply wrong- Western society simply acknowledges men and women as different; it certainly places obvious value on man's ability to keep us alive with technology and hard work, but it still has the subtle appreciation for good and honest women who keep society alive and families together. Any instance of society where this is not the case is broken.

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You can argue all you want about "pussy pass" bullshit and other ways that people like to argue that women have more privilege in society than men, but the fact is that for a VAST amount of history, women have been INCREDIBLY disadvantaged in comparison to men. Disproportionate advantages and prejudices still exist in today's society as well, of course, but the massive ravine has closed over the years into a pretty damn small gap, so that's not the sort of thing I'll be focusing on today - gender stereotypes and societal discrimination against women may be related to the topic I'm discussing, but it's a whole different can of fuckin' worms, it is.

Whichever one caused the other, women were usually held to generally be worse than men in pretty much all facets of life (save for childcare and cleaning, I guess) until very recently, and there also exists a very negative view on femininity. This negative view may not be as prevalent, since most people don't usually think of women as the "lesser sex" in the modern day, but the sentiment is still very much there despite it being mostly subconscious.

I suppose my response to this section is already typed out above.
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To start off with the type that most on this board will relate to, let's look first at cis, straight people. Clothing, to be more exact. Whatever the crazies on the far corners of Tumblr might like saying, clothing is gendered - it may have been defined as such by society, sure, but you can't deny that a full tuxedo suit is much more masculine while a billowy ball gown is much more feminine due to how we define those things as a society. Why, then are women dressing in men's clothes so much more well-respected? A woman dressing in her boyfriend's boxers, or wearing his loose t-shirt, or wearing pants, or wearing a suit - none of these things are looked at negatively. Hell, a few are looked at as playful or sexy. But the response to a fully straight man wearing a dress, panties, bra, blouse, or any other of a number of feminine articles of clothing? Usually it's either defined as a very odd and private fetish or as homosexual urges.
Clothing is of course an extension of the differences between men and women, nothing complicated there. you admit yourself that the first two examples are just fetishes, not really much point in bringing them up. I myself would argue that women in pants is also a bit of a fetish provided the pants are tight enough and the girl has a good figure. As for women wearing suits, I can't help but feel that they're trying to hard to be a man, that doesn't make me respect them, but at the same time if we're talking suits we must be talking about important business, so anyone qualified to wear a suit is automatically worthy of respect regardless of sex - and that's the key point here, there is no situation in which a man or woman gains respect by walking around in their underwear, an professional business is by and large a male invention so of course the de facto style is male.

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Moving a bit further, let's move on to homosexuality. Up until recently, homosexuality was not widely accepted, and still remains hated in many smaller communities. However it is often joked about that the "LGBT" acronym is ordered from least to most accepted, and I'll be using those first two letters for this example. Lesbians were typically (and still are, really) heavily fetishized and talked up, and many people who would speak out against homosexual behavior in men would still find two girls going at it to be lovely. Now, all assertions of which one a straight man might be attracted to aside - as true as those statements may be - we're talking about society's attitudes towards an action, not which one you wanna bust a nut to on a lonely friday afternoon. Gay men are often stereotyped as flamboyant, sassy, stuck-up, obsessed with fashion, or a number of other traits that all boil down to that same notion of feminine traits - likely due to the fact that if anybody wants to fuck another dude, they've got to be like a girl, right?
I would argue that the greater of acceptance of lesbians over gays is because AIDS and HIV are very real, very disgusting things - and the general idea of ejaculating into a shit filled hole is not appealing to most people. I would also argue that gay pride parades only solidify those stereotypes, if that's the identity they want people to recognize them then they have to live with people recognizing it as weird. Also I wouldn't class those stereotypes as acting like a girl, no respectable girl acts like that.

I'll just speak my mind here. I don't hate you LGBT people and have no intention of harassing you but your entire existence is something that bugs me on a fundamental level, I don't like this hypocritical push to make you all considered normal while your entire identity as a group is based on being NOT normal. There's a MtF pre hormones at my school and they are a brilliant chemist, easily the best I know; I don't have a problem with them because they don't go out of their way to make everything about their condition, though I don't spend any considerable amount of time talking to them.

I'm getting really rambly now but I think I'd enjoy getting to talk about this more, no hatred or malice just curiosity about a different way of life.

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The Flood / Re: Things you care about that other people don't.
« on: October 29, 2015, 03:19:41 AM »
If only people could be aware of these kinds of things so they could enjoy it as much as I do.
I apologize, as much of the math stuffs you just painstakingly went over flew directly into the abyss of ignorance that is my mind. I do hope you'll forgive me for my sin, and give me some personalized lessons later on in our shared future.
I've been able to teach my grandad about the fundamentals and uses of polynomials, I can assure you that you just need a good teacher for it to sink in.

I can't wait to show you the way in which I see the world and the discoveries i've made, everything is exciting when you know why it's exciting.

Like this, most trees and bushes are just fractals, a simple pattern copied over several times at different sizes, once you start to notice them you never stop.

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The Flood / Re: Very late night shit thread
« on: October 29, 2015, 03:14:16 AM »
That doesn't sound healthy at all you know, take a giant nap after all that.

Also I'm busy not studying.

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The Flood / Re: shaving body hair
« on: October 29, 2015, 03:12:36 AM »
I shave my face once a week on Sunday because if I let it grow any longer it gets unbearably itchy. Everywhere else is pure man, as it should be.


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The Flood / Re: Things you care about that other people don't.
« on: October 29, 2015, 03:09:13 AM »
It's easier to convey my love of mathematics than it is otherwise, but I'm not at the point where I can concisely teach people everything needed to appreciate it, and I'm well aware of how little I know about maths.

I came across pic related this morning, I think it's goddamn amazing that in trying to find the kinetic energy of any object at any arbitrary velocity, you just need to compute a simple integral - integrate force with respect to distance - but to do so you instead rearrange the it into integrating inertia with respect to velocity; and the reason why you can do that has something to do with how algebra itself is capable of generating answers to questions by virtue of setting one thing equal to another, and also how you can shuffle around infinitesimal quantities like fractions, but at the same time treat them like an operation applied to a function. And all of that is just rudimentary calculus.

Even just integrals in general are fantastic, you add up an infinite amount of infinitely small things, and at the end you get some meaningful result. So for instance you can start with an infinitely small point (zero dimensions), and if you add up an infinity of them across a line, you get a line (1 dimensions). Then if you add up an infinity of those lines in a direction perpendicular to the line, you get an infinitely flat plane (2 dimensions)- then if you sum up an infinity of planes in a direction perpendicular to the plane itself, you get a cube (3 dimensions)- AND THEN, you can say that the cube is infinitesimally small in the fourth dimension, and begin summing up an infinity of them to get some fourth dimensional hyper cube...and then you can keep going some more.

If only people could be aware of these kinds of things so they could enjoy it as much as I do.

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The Flood / Re: Anime makes you gay.
« on: October 29, 2015, 02:46:53 AM »
It's not gay if I think of you as a cute anime girl though~~

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Serious / Re: Deputy does nothing wrong, gets fired. #policelivesmatter
« on: October 29, 2015, 02:45:32 AM »
If the girl was white I'm sure he would have kept his job.
It wouldn't have made it to the news either.
I'd wager that I wouldn't have heard about it from the other side of the world if he wasn't white either.

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Serious / Re: GOP Primary Debate #3
« on: October 29, 2015, 02:44:17 AM »
Oh shit I missed it, I want to watch the Sioux city rally more though.

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The Flood / Re: I walked a dog for the first time today.
« on: October 25, 2015, 06:08:11 AM »
Pics, or didn't happen.
He's old so he has a really sad look in his eyes.

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The Flood / Re: Dune
« on: October 24, 2015, 08:43:30 PM »
Only ever read the first Dune but It's easily one of my favorites.

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Serious / Re: The Myth of Basic Science
« on: October 24, 2015, 08:41:44 PM »
The first part of the article is just the author restating the original definition of a meme, a self replicating idea that can mutate and evolve like a living organism, but requires a mind or physical invention to be it's host. It's fascinating on it's own and for me at least very helpful in understanding ideas, but it's not a new idea, which is rather ironic given the discussion on parallel invention.

The second part is definitely worth reading though.

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Serious / Re: If free will doesn't exist...
« on: October 24, 2015, 04:23:13 AM »
Our minds are stochastic -- effectively random -- and so our will, while entirely deterministic, is effectively free and undetermined.
Something either stochastic or determined--or both--is not anything which can be called a "will".
I'm interested, how would you go about defining "will" and whether or not it is free?

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Serious / Re: How has white privilege helped you in your life?
« on: October 24, 2015, 04:17:43 AM »
I find it terribly sad that the author of that article thinks it's a bad thing that they have to define their opinions and what the hell they're talking about, if they didn't then we have to rely on assumptions and the whole discussion ceases to make sense.

But honestly, I'm privileged to be alive; My grandparents grew up completely impoverished in Ireland, almost perpetually starving and freezing along with everyone they knew in Belfast; It was really fortunate that the British empire had colonized New Zealand and given them a better life.

I'm proud and grateful of my privileges because that's what my ancestors passed down to me.

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The Flood / Re: I walked a dog for the first time today.
« on: October 24, 2015, 04:03:25 AM »
Pics, or didn't happen.
It's not my dog but I can get some tomorrow since it's late now.

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The Flood / Re: Do you ever want to have kids?
« on: October 24, 2015, 03:59:49 AM »
I want to have several, and I want to show them that all the great things that I've discovered about life, I want to create my own family of people that love being alive and trying their hardest at improving themselves and the world.

130 or so people are alive today just because of my Grandad and Grandma, I can't let him beat me.

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The Flood / I walked a dog for the first time today.
« on: October 24, 2015, 03:43:53 AM »
It pissed on everything and by the end I felt like an old man, is that meant to happen?

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The Flood / Re: MY BUTTHOLE REMAINS UNPENETRATED
« on: October 24, 2015, 03:41:52 AM »
Doesn't it get penetrated in reverse every time you poop though?

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The Flood / Re: if a bird flies near your head
« on: October 24, 2015, 03:41:13 AM »
Admire it, birds are goddamn dinosaurs.

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The Flood / Re: I feel like an asshole
« on: October 24, 2015, 03:40:11 AM »
I swear my memory of you from b.net was a completely different person; why not just change yourself again?

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The Flood / Re: Immortality vs Having Kids
« on: October 24, 2015, 03:34:07 AM »
The cynic in me says immortality, it would make things easier and less uncertain; and while I don't like being cynical there really isn't a counter argument I can make. woo.

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Serious / Re: Political Compass Test
« on: October 20, 2015, 10:49:21 PM »
They must put some serious left wing weighting on the environment despite it being a bipartisan issue, I don't consider myself left wing at all.

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The Flood / Re: Career Choices: Then vs Now
« on: October 20, 2015, 10:38:45 PM »
Astronaut then, Astronaut now; space is mine.

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The Flood / Re: tfw your dog is breathing loud af
« on: October 20, 2015, 10:35:29 PM »
My cat snores, I don't know how something so cute can be so annoying

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