In response to recent issues raised

 
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Hmm...

So as you all may have noticed, a few people have raised their issues with how things are here and to be frank a few of their concerns are more than valid. There are no rule changes as of yet; only the responses to those rule breakings are being augmented.

One of the guidelines issued to the mods back in October was overall neglected, which dealt with repeat offenders (http://sep7agon.net/index.php?topic=9003.0). Tough love was necessary back then, and it's looking like it's necessary again now. That being said, to suddenly have everyone on edge fearing a ban for screwing around a bit isn't right either, so to keep things workable, repeat offenders who will be subject to this system will be those who have either:

1. A cumulative total of warning points exceeding 200%
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2. A total of warning points exceeding 100% in the last 30 days

Users who fit either of these criteria will receive a One Week ban, minimum, for each serious rule violation.



The permaban process, streamlined
If a user decides that they aren't going to stop misbehaving, they are going to get themselves on an extended vacation much sooner than before. The rough plan is as follows:

1 week ban >> 2 week ban >> 1 month >> Perma



Harsher punishments
Serious offences will be being upped in percentage, stuff that might have only got you a 20% will now probably earn you a lite-ban. This is in response to the generally lax moderation style not working as well as it would seem; we won't be suddenly turning into nazis, but it's becoming clear that certain users aren't getting the message.



What to Expect
As of now, you can expect to see a drastic decline in "watched" status and an increase in "lite-banned" as we work toward beating the bad behavior out of you. Hopefully, after a time, we can get the community to behave a bit more and the need for bans will decrease.



The Goal
I don't want to turn this place into a hug box or an echo chamber by banning anyone who happens to disagree with the mod squad (we're already apparently circlejerk central) but I also don't want us to continue to alienate members by being too lax with moderation.

We're not a large site in comparison to B.lind by any means, so we need to find a happy medium between objective rule enforcement and subjective understanding of context. I can't help but feel part of the issue was a few members skirting the rules and being immune to any sort of moderation. I think we need to take a look at those kinds of things as well, but that might be a discussion for another time.



One of the reasons that Bnet fell out of favour was the staff not listening to the userbase, they ignored them and gave non-answers and told people to mute the ones who were harassing them etc. We'd like to avoid this, so this part of the announcement is to promote people airing their grievances. You can do so either in a PM to a moderator or in a thread in Septagon.

The second part is an appeal for people to report things that break the rules more. If you see some users flaming away at each other and shitting up a thread - report them so it gets seen by the mods.


 
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Good, we'll finally see anyone deserving of a long ban get one.

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it's becoming clear that certain users aren't getting the message.
It hasn't just suddenly become clear, users not getting the message is a long standing thing that I know some staff members have been aware of for a while now.
At least it's good there's action on it now.


 
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The Rage....
Make the subtitles into Comic Sans so we can take you more seriously.


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I don't want to turn this place into a hug box or an echo chamber by banning anyone who happens to disagree with the mod squad (we're already apparently circlejerk central) but I also don't want us to continue to alienate members by being too lax with moderation.
Lax moderation is not what alienates members. That circlejerking shit and certain members crying to the mods are the actual problem. They need to stop taking this shit so seriously.

^This


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I'm all for streamlining the warning/ban system for repeat offenders. I'm pretty outspoken for lax moderation, but even I have to admit to seeing people completely ignore the warnings and lite bans because they knew there were no serious repercussions for continued bad behavior.

As long as we keep firmly in mind that a hugbox/echo chamber is not the end goal, and funposting doesn't see even more of a crack down, then this is good.


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I neither fear, nor despise.
I'm all for streamlining the warning/ban system for repeat offenders. I'm pretty outspoken for lax moderation, but even I have to admit to seeing people completely ignore the warnings and lite bans because they knew there were no serious repercussions for continued bad behavior.

As long as we keep firmly in mind that a hugbox/echo chamber is not the end goal, and funposting doesn't see even more of a crack down, then this is good.

People knew how the system worked and would just avoid screwing up big enough for a lite-ban.
They would think "ok......I got one warning. Now I can get about 10% more then I'll stop".

People knowing exactly how far they can push things without being banned, is a problem.


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I neither fear, nor despise.
People knew how the system worked and would just avoid screwing up big enough for a lite-ban.
They would think "ok......I got one warning. Now I can get about 10% more then I'll stop".

People knowing exactly how far they can push things without being banned, is a problem.
No it is not. Everyone should be taught to push rules and question authority.

Can't tell if you are serious or not.


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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
—Judge Aaron Satie
——Carmen
It's surprisingly hard to even get any warning points on this site. I shitpost and joke around like any other "bad" user here, and I've probably gotten less than 30% total. So I'd say this is a good thing.


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People knew how the system worked and would just avoid screwing up big enough for a lite-ban.
They would think "ok......I got one warning. Now I can get about 10% more then I'll stop".

People knowing exactly how far they can push things without being banned, is a problem.
No it is not. Everyone should be taught to push rules and question authority.
Questioning authority is one thing. Having people continually breaking the same rules because they're not afraid of consequences is another. It doesn't foster a good community and people just get tired of it.

Like Cheat said there has to be a balance made. Cracking down on repeat offenders only affects repeat offenders. People who are not getting the message.


 
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