Halo 4 has some good armour sets, but for the most part they look odd. These H2A ones look great though.

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Halo Reach armor was perfection. So was the User Interface. 343 could learn a lot from the game Bungie did perfectly but then stupid people shat all over.

Reach is shit. The only good thing about it is the armour and UI.

And forge/ customs

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Quote from: Lady Noelle on October 28, 2014, 10:55:06 PM

Halo Reach armor was perfection. So was the User Interface. 343 could learn a lot from the game Bungie did perfectly but then stupid people shat all over.

The UI for reach was objectively the best.

lolno.

Yes

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Quote from: Lady Noelle on October 28, 2014, 10:55:06 PM

Halo Reach armor was perfection. So was the User Interface. 343 could learn a lot from the game Bungie did perfectly but then stupid people shat all over.

Reach is shit. The only good thing about it is the armour and UI.

And forge/ customs

And modeling of environments/weapons/vehicles/NPCs. And creating unique weapons for the sandbox. And adding in Invasion so people could play Spartan vs Elite gametypes like many wanted. And making the Rocket Hog, Falcon, and Revenant. And File Browser. And Campaign matchmaking. And FF matchmaking. And Space Combat.

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And making the Rocket Hog

Which is pretty pointless since there's the gauss hog. That thing is better in almost every way.

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Revenant.

Which is really only useful for killing other players. When it comes to vehicles it takes a while for it to blow them up. It can't even blow up a mangoes in one hit. It just bounces it.

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And Space Combat.

Which is pretty damn scripted. Star Wars Battlefront 2 which is a game for the Xbox/PS2 does space combat far better. It feels more fluid when it comes to enemies behavior and there's escort ships that are involved in the battle. One map has one that's moving around.

Something being able to kill quicker than something else doesn't objectively make the thing that kills slower the worse thing to put in the game. Thinking that everything needs to be designed to kill is what made retards hate the Focus Rifle so much; despite its nerf from the Beta the thing still worked great as a counter-sniper, when a target was out in the open at range(as they couldn't scope in to shoot at you), and when assisting a teammate.

The Rocket Hog is more balanced than the Gauss Hog(which almost completely protects the gunner's front including the head, it's quick, and it can kill almost everything in 2 hits). The Revenant terrifying infantry gives it a good role, and being able to flip vehicles has its uses.

Space Combat in BF2 was the main addition to the series, ofc it's going to have more content than Reach, where it was only designed to be in 1/2 of a Campaign mission.

Something being able to kill quicker than something else doesn't objectively make the thing that kills slower the worse thing to put in the game.

It depends on what it is. If it has a role like the focus rifle sure it doesn't need to have decent kill times. But if it's a normal weapon then it's down right shit. The assault rifle is nearly useless due to the shit range and damage. The plasma repeater is just pointless since the damge output is shit. For Halo 2 and 3 unless you're doing weapon combos duel wielding the same type of weapons is pointless since the damge output for them is low. Halo does have a lot of weapons that are shit. The only decent ones are the power weapons or the precision ones.

Thinking that everything needs to be designed to kill is what made retards hate the Focus Rifle so much; despite its nerf from the Beta the thing still worked great as a counter-sniper, when a target was out in the open at range(as they couldn't scope in to shoot at you), and when assisting a teammate.

The thing though about it is that it's the only counter to the sniper rifle. Since the thing has the range of one you're going to have people using it for that role. Normally if a rifle like weapon has the rage and scope power of a sniper rifle it's generally a sniper rifle. Which resulted in people using it for one. Bungie shouldn't have replaced the beam rifle with this thing. They should have included both weapons in the game.

Space Combat in BF2 was the main addition to the series, ofc it's going to have more content than Reach, where it was only designed to be in 1/2 of a Campaign mission.

It still shouldn't be an excuses for how shitty it is. The only reason why it's that bad is because Bungie didn't put focus into the campaign as much as they did with Halo CE and 2. It's just laziness. CoD 2 has only two tank missions out of all the levels where you're on foot. Even with them being the minority they are still well developed.   

It depends on what it is. If it has a role like the focus rifle sure it doesn't need to have decent kill times. But if it's a normal weapon then it's down right shit. The assault rifle is nearly useless due to the shit range and damage. The plasma repeater is just pointless since the damge output is shit. For Halo 2 and 3 unless you're doing weapon combos duel wielding the same type of weapons is pointless since the damge output for them is low. Halo does have a lot of weapons that are shit. The only decent ones are the power weapons or the precision ones.

A single SMG still has a faster killtime than an AR at close range, 2 SMGs isn't that bad despite there being better. I'm not aware if Bungie's design for the AR changing from Halo 3 to Reach, but again it wasn't meant to be a gun that's totally skillful in regards to aiming or that kills quickly on its own. They purposefully designed it so that it required players to use Grenades + Melee along with it to be used most effectively, as they complained that a lot of people just DW'd in Halo 2 and so weren't using the other 2 parts of the "Golden Triangle". The Repeater was just an Elite version of it that had potential, but sucked because Bungie wanted the Elites to have shit weapons in Invasion since the Elites had better traits.

The thing though about it is that it's the only counter to the sniper rifle. Since the thing has the range of one you're going to have people using it for that role. Normally if a rifle like weapon has the rage and scope power of a sniper rifle it's generally a sniper rifle. Which resulted in people using it for one. Bungie shouldn't have replaced the beam rifle with this thing. They should have included both weapons in the game.

Not really, shooting a sniper with your DMR/NR to descope them while you move to cover was a fair counter. The Beam Rifle was really just the same as the Sniper Rifle though, only difference was BR overheated if you fired too quickly. How would that have made people realize the Focus Rifle wasn't meant to be used as the Sniper Rifle is used, anyway?

It still shouldn't be an excuses for how shitty it is. The only reason why it's that bad is because Bungie didn't put focus into the campaign as much as they did with Halo CE and 2. It's just laziness. CoD 2 has only two tank missions out of all the levels where you're on foot. Even with them being the minority they are still well developed.

So, the point was things from Reach that were good. Yeah, they all probably could've been better, but that's not the point, things can always be better.

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Also add in that they cut having space combat in multiplayer+forge because they didn't think people wanted it.

*ultimate facepalm*

Do you have a source for that? I never heard them say that was the reason why, I just assumed they didn't have time.

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FF matchmaking was terrible. If they'd have made an ODST style variant and that SvE one from the beta, it would have been good but the gametypes they had were shit.

Well, it was better than ODST where if you didn't have 4 friends that wanted to play, then fuck you.

FF Classic was fine, it's just the dumb ones where you had 4xOS, 1000Health, Infinite ammo, Rocket Launchers, and Jetpacks that killed it. Didn't help when 343i merged the 2 playlists together so that you could never get a full party match for FF Classic.

They had the SvE gametype, but it wasn't popular and had some glitches/unbalance so they removed it.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-11-29-bungie-toyed-with-reach-space-combat-mp

It appears what I was told effort was a slight exaggeration.

However, I was referring to the shitty 4x OS an power weapons gametype. I honestly can't remember the classic mode.

As much as what I love 343 is doing with Halo in general, they have shitty playlist management and DLC management.

LOL.

With each day that passes, I become less interested in MCC. I might still buy it, just because getting OG H1/2/3 with better resolution for $60 is worth it.

H2A looks awful.

H4Reskin looks awful.

Fix'd. Agreed too.

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H4Reskin looks awful.

Fix'd. Agreed too.

How is it a reskin?

It's Halp 4 at it's base. It's using the Halo 4 coding as a framework. 

Edit: It's also using a lot of art assets from Halp 4

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H4Reskin looks awful.

Fix'd. Agreed too.

How is it a reskin?

It's Halp 4 at it's base. It's using the Halo 4 coding as a framework.

Halo 4 is like any other Halo at it's base, so what's your point?
It's a heavily modified Halo 4 engine that mimicks Halo 2's gameplay very closely.

Far from a reskin.

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H4Reskin looks awful.

Fix'd. Agreed too.

How is it a reskin?

It's Halp 4 at it's base. It's using the Halo 4 coding as a framework.

Halo 4 is like any other Halo at it's base, so what's your point?
It's a heavily modified Halo 4 engine that mimicks Halo 2's gameplay very closely.

Far from a reskin.

If you use the EXACT same assets it's a re-skin through and through. If the only thing it had at it's base was the coding I would be fine with it but it's like Pokemon Heart Gold and Soul Silver. They use the same engine and assets so it's really just a re-skin.

Who gives a shit? It's Halo 2 MP but not broken as fuck.
There's nothing wrong with using existing assets at all.

Halo has used the same engine since CE you know. It was just modified with every game.
Same applies here.

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H4Reskin looks awful.

Fix'd. Agreed too.

How is it a reskin?

It's Halp 4 at it's base. It's using the Halo 4 coding as a framework.

Halo 4 is like any other Halo at it's base, so what's your point?
It's a heavily modified Halo 4 engine that mimicks Halo 2's gameplay very closely.

Far from a reskin.

If you use the EXACT same assets it's a re-skin through and through. If the only thing it had at it's base was the coding I would be fine with it but it's like Pokemon Heart Gold and Soul Silver. They use the same engine and assets so it's really just a re-skin.

Who gives a shit? It's Halo 2 MP but not broken as fuck.
There's nothing wrong with using existing assets at all.

Halo has used the same engine since CE you know. It was just modified with every game.
Same applies here.

It's H2 MP with modified mechanics, maps, and vehicles (lolgungoose.)

Yeah, no thanks.

It's Halo 2 MP but not broken shit.
A lot of the stuff being added is stuff that Bungie were going to put in the game too. I bet you'd love it if Bungie put it in originally though, eh?

If you hate it just play the original broken shit MP instead.

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Quote from: Azumarill on October 30, 2014, 08:07:08 PM

H4Reskin looks awful.

Fix'd. Agreed too.

How is it a reskin?

It's Halp 4 at it's base. It's using the Halo 4 coding as a framework.

Halo 4 is like any other Halo at it's base, so what's your point?
It's a heavily modified Halo 4 engine that mimicks Halo 2's gameplay very closely.

Far from a reskin.

If you use the EXACT same assets it's a re-skin through and through. If the only thing it had at it's base was the coding I would be fine with it but it's like Pokemon Heart Gold and Soul Silver. They use the same engine and assets so it's really just a re-skin.

Who gives a shit? It's Halo 2 MP but not broken as fuck.
There's nothing wrong with using existing assets at all.

Halo has used the same engine since CE you know. It was just modified with every game.
Same applies here.

It's H2 MP with modified mechanics, maps, and vehicles (lolgungoose.)

Yeah, no thanks.

It's Halo 2 MP but not broken shit.
A lot of the stuff being added is stuff that Bungie were going to put in the game too. I bet you'd love it if Bungie put it in originally though, eh?

If you hate it just play the original broken shit MP instead.

Rofl. Bad kids stay mad