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Worst Game of 2017?

Mass Effect: Andromeda
9 (32.1%)
Battlefront II
8 (28.6%)
LawBreakers
3 (10.7%)
Sonic Forces
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Other
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Worst Game of 2017?

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Nice deflection.
Do you even know what that word means? Lmao why are you so mad anyways.

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This game runs like shit, but it's okay because it's not the "definitive edition".
Yeah, it's a port. The game is still in early access on Xbox. It doesn't run like shit, I've seen plenty of Xbox streams and the game runs pretty good compared to PC.

Okay bro. You go defend shit developers and terrible games.


 
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Nice deflection.
Do you even know what that word means? Lmao why are you so mad anyways.

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This game runs like shit, but it's okay because it's not the "definitive edition".
Yeah, it's a port. The game is still in early access on Xbox. It doesn't run like shit, I've seen plenty of Xbox streams and the game runs pretty good compared to PC.

Okay bro. You go defend shit developers and terrible games.
Millions of people wouldn't buy and play it on a consistent basis if it was bad.
yes they would

people don't have the faintest idea what is good for them


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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Nice deflection.
Do you even know what that word means? Lmao why are you so mad anyways.

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This game runs like shit, but it's okay because it's not the "definitive edition".
Yeah, it's a port. The game is still in early access on Xbox. It doesn't run like shit, I've seen plenty of Xbox streams and the game runs pretty good compared to PC.

Okay bro. You go defend shit developers and terrible games.
Millions of people wouldn't buy and play it on a consistent basis if it was bad.

by that logic shit like Sword Art Online, Vanilla Destiny, and the Bayformers Movies must be genuine masterpieces.


 
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Filling Asuna with 15 years worth of semen IS a masterpiece


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Filling Asuna with 15 years worth of semen IS a masterpiece
Expecially when it comes to rape scene at the end of season 2, when even the most passionate fans of this show admit that this show is BAD worst haters of this show find out exactly why this show IS a masterpiece.


 
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Filling Asuna with 15 years worth of semen IS a masterpiece
Expecially when it comes to rape scene at the end of season 2, when even the most passionate fans of this show admit that this show is BAD worst haters of this show find out exactly why this show IS a masterpiece.
I was quoting the light novel but yeah, that entire thing made me uncomfortable. I think it's still season 1, just the second half.

Or wait, do you mean with the creepy boy creeping up in Shina or whatever her name is


 
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Tell me how it's a bad game.
I know for PC players, at least until recently (as in the last update I think, but hell it still is probably there), if you don't have more than 8 gigs of ram, you're going to be running into a lag filled mess and it almost makes it unplayable

Shit ruined a lot of it for me, though I've only done one game with the most recent update so if they fixed it, I could easily change my tone. But it came down to it being an unoptimized piece of shit, even after updates to fix it.


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Filling Asuna with 15 years worth of semen IS a masterpiece
Expecially when it comes to rape scene at the end of season 2, when even the most passionate fans of this show admit that this show is BAD worst haters of this show find out exactly why this show IS a masterpiece.
I was quoting the light novel but yeah, that entire thing made me uncomfortable. I think it's still season 1, just the second half.

Or wait, do you mean with the creepy boy creeping up in Shina or whatever her name is
No, I have mistaken, it`s from the end of second part of season 1, I just try to forget this piece of shit masterpiece just like some kind of nightmare to feel all the anger and urge to vomit positive emotions when I watch it again after dying and going to hell.


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Nice deflection.
Do you even know what that word means? Lmao why are you so mad anyways.

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This game runs like shit, but it's okay because it's not the "definitive edition".
Yeah, it's a port. The game is still in early access on Xbox. It doesn't run like shit, I've seen plenty of Xbox streams and the game runs pretty good compared to PC.

Okay bro. You go defend shit developers and terrible games.
Millions of people wouldn't buy and play it on a consistent basis if it was bad.

by that logic shit like Sword Art Online, Vanilla Destiny, and the Bayformers Movies must be genuine masterpieces.
Not at all, actually. How many people played Destiny today concurrently? At least a 1.5 million were playing PUBG. The developers listen to community feedback and have regularly updated the game and added completely free content. It's coming out of early access in one week. Microsoft latched onto the success so they could get it on the Xbox.

Tell me how it's a bad game. Make an actual point and don't go for the low hanging fruit of "heheh... well actually just cause it's really popular and everybody plays it could still be fucking terrible lol". Make an actual point with some originality.

Not saying PUBG is bad, It's just an awful counterargument to say "This thing is popular, so it must be good"


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The angel agreed to trade a set of white wings for the head of another demon. Overjoyed, the demon killed one of his own and plucked the head right off its still-warm body.

The angel then led the demon to heaven, where he underwent centuries of the cruelest tortures imaginable. Finally, the pain was so great that he lost consciousness - at which point his dark wings turned the promised shade of white.
Nobody in the west actually plays PUBG, its all chinese players and chally


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I love you, son.
Bluehole are pretty scummy tbh.


 
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Most powerful console ever made


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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
Most Disappointing: Andromeda

Worst game: Knack 2
Did I really say Knack 2? I meant CoD: WW2


 
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Put Xenoblade on the list please


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If you know, you know.
Most Disappointing: Andromeda

Worst game: Knack 2
Did I really say Knack 2? I meant CoD: WW2
Whats the difference?


 
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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
Most Disappointing: Andromeda

Worst game: Knack 2
Did I really say Knack 2? I meant CoD: WW2
Whats the difference?
Knack 2 is probably an average game whereas WW2 is complete basura in every category


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Most Disappointing: Andromeda

Worst game: Knack 2
Did I really say Knack 2? I meant CoD: WW2
Whats the difference?
Knack 2 is probably an average game whereas WW2 is complete basura in every category

How? How do you mannage to fuck up when you literally just had to coppy-paste old Cod weapon stats and weapon models?

This isn't even like MCC where they had less than a year and a budget of of fingernail dirt to Port 4 games on to new hardware while still building Halo 5.

It's just CoD without all the new shit. You've been doing this shit since the dawn of time. The game is already made. How do you fuck that up?
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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
How? How do you mannage to fuck up when you literally just had to coppy-paste old Cod weapon stats and weapon models?

This isn't even like MCC where they had less than a year and a budget of of fingernail dirt to Port 4 games on to new hardware while still building Halo 5.

It's just CoD without all the new shit. You've been doing this shit since the dawn of time. The game is already made. How do you fuck that up?
It's made by Sledgehammer, they are incompetent and flat out retarded when it comes to making CoD games. Don't let the WWII-theme fool you because this game is hands down one of the WORST CoD games ever made.

And stop believing the "3 year development" lies that Activision says because WW2 was datamined and people found exo suits and advanced movement in the game's code. This leads to the speculation that this game was developed in an extremely short amount of time after the backlash that IW got. It all adds up because the game is horrendously buggy and extremely lacks polish in all areas. Advanced Warfare 2 was rumored to already be in development at the time of IW's pre release and post release.

Activison knew that people are sick of the future stuff and slapped this clusterfuck of a game to try and make up all the money they lost with IW.

I played the game for 2 weeks and stopped because of how bad it is and I'm not gonna wait for any fixes because the damage has already been done.

World at War is nearly 10 years old and the fact that a game that old is better in every single category than the new one that has the same setting is embarrassing.


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If you know, you know.
How? How do you mannage to fuck up when you literally just had to coppy-paste old Cod weapon stats and weapon models?

This isn't even like MCC where they had less than a year and a budget of of fingernail dirt to Port 4 games on to new hardware while still building Halo 5.

It's just CoD without all the new shit. You've been doing this shit since the dawn of time. The game is already made. How do you fuck that up?
It's made by Sledgehammer, they are incompetent and flat out retarded when it comes to making CoD games. Don't let the WWII-theme fool you because this game is hands down one of the WORST CoD games ever made.

And stop believing the "3 year development" lies that Activision says because WW2 was datamined and people found exo suits and advanced movement in the game's code. This leads to the speculation that this game was developed in an extremely short amount of time after the backlash that IW got. It all adds up because the game is horrendously buggy and extremely lacks polish in all areas. Advanced Warfare 2 was rumored to already be in development at the time of IW's pre release and post release.

Activison knew that people are sick of the future stuff and slapped this clusterfuck of a game to try and make up all the money they lost with IW.

I played the game for 2 weeks and stopped because of how bad it is and I'm not gonna wait for any fixes because the damage has already been done.

World at War is nearly 10 years old and the fact that a game that old is better in every single category than the new one that has the same setting is embarrassing.
As someone who worked on CoD - I can confirm, they DO take three years a pop. Just because they found traces of IW in the WW2 code, just means that they are not stupid enough to throw out an engine and write a fresh one. Objects are not deleted because some thing depend on the object count. To save time, they might remove the asset but keep the reference. Going through every routine to check what it (and how many) things it expects would take a lot of time.


 
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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
As someone who worked on CoD - I can confirm, they DO take three years a pop.
Since you want to be a smartass explain to me why CoD games have shipped with less content, polish, and stability in a "3 year development" cycle than the ones that were made before it that were on the 360 and PS3 that took less time to make.

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Just because they found traces of IW in the WW2 code, just means that they are not stupid enough to throw out an engine and write a fresh one.
Yes they are. Activision are greedy fucks and they want to make up all the money they lost with IW. It's clear that they run these developers with an iron fist. If Advanced Warfare 2 was made and just released, they wouldn't even come close to what they made from WW2 sales and supply drops.

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Objects are not deleted because some thing depend on the object count. To save time, they might remove the asset but keep the reference. Going through every routine to check what it (and how many) things it expects would take a lot of time.
3 years is plenty of time to create a game, test play it, and fix any bug or anything else wrong with it before it is released. WW2 is a game that was just put together in half a year to make a quick buck and lacks the soul, creativity, immersion, and everything else that World at War features nearly 10 years ago.


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As someone who worked on CoD - I can confirm, they DO take three years a pop.
Since you want to be a smartass explain to me why CoD games have shipped with less content, polish, and stability in a "3 year development" cycle than the ones that were made before it that were on the 360 and PS3 that took less time to make.

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Just because they found traces of IW in the WW2 code, just means that they are not stupid enough to throw out an engine and write a fresh one.
Yes they are. Activision are greedy fucks and they want to make up all the money they lost with IW. It's clear that they run these developers with an iron fist. If Advanced Warfare 2 was made and just released, they wouldn't even come close to what they made from WW2 sales and supply drops.

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Objects are not deleted because some thing depend on the object count. To save time, they might remove the asset but keep the reference. Going through every routine to check what it (and how many) things it expects would take a lot of time.
3 years is plenty of time to create a game, test play it, and fix any bug or anything else wrong with it before it is released. WW2 is a game that was just put together in half a year to make a quick buck and lacks the soul, creativity, immersion, and everything else that World at War features nearly 10 years ago.

Mp40 steady aim tho


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Jacob Potila was actually a Jacob Flotilla of lies.- WarTurkey
How? How do you mannage to fuck up when you literally just had to coppy-paste old Cod weapon stats and weapon models?

This isn't even like MCC where they had less than a year and a budget of of fingernail dirt to Port 4 games on to new hardware while still building Halo 5.

It's just CoD without all the new shit. You've been doing this shit since the dawn of time. The game is already made. How do you fuck that up?
It's made by Sledgehammer, they are incompetent and flat out retarded when it comes to making CoD games. Don't let the WWII-theme fool you because this game is hands down one of the WORST CoD games ever made.

And stop believing the "3 year development" lies that Activision says because WW2 was datamined and people found exo suits and advanced movement in the game's code. This leads to the speculation that this game was developed in an extremely short amount of time after the backlash that IW got. It all adds up because the game is horrendously buggy and extremely lacks polish in all areas. Advanced Warfare 2 was rumored to already be in development at the time of IW's pre release and post release.

Activison knew that people are sick of the future stuff and slapped this clusterfuck of a game to try and make up all the money they lost with IW.

I played the game for 2 weeks and stopped because of how bad it is and I'm not gonna wait for any fixes because the damage has already been done.

World at War is nearly 10 years old and the fact that a game that old is better in every single category than the new one that has the same setting is embarrassing.
As someone who worked on CoD - I can confirm, they DO take three years a pop. Just because they found traces of IW in the WW2 code, just means that they are not stupid enough to throw out an engine and write a fresh one. Objects are not deleted because some thing depend on the object count. To save time, they might remove the asset but keep the reference. Going through every routine to check what it (and how many) things it expects would take a lot of time.

You worked on CoD?


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Jacob Potila was actually a Jacob Flotilla of lies.- WarTurkey
Yet WW2 sold the most, so Activi$ion can continue to plaster the boxart with 'BEST SELLING FRANCHISE RETURNS'


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If you know, you know.
How? How do you mannage to fuck up when you literally just had to coppy-paste old Cod weapon stats and weapon models?

This isn't even like MCC where they had less than a year and a budget of of fingernail dirt to Port 4 games on to new hardware while still building Halo 5.

It's just CoD without all the new shit. You've been doing this shit since the dawn of time. The game is already made. How do you fuck that up?
It's made by Sledgehammer, they are incompetent and flat out retarded when it comes to making CoD games. Don't let the WWII-theme fool you because this game is hands down one of the WORST CoD games ever made.

And stop believing the "3 year development" lies that Activision says because WW2 was datamined and people found exo suits and advanced movement in the game's code. This leads to the speculation that this game was developed in an extremely short amount of time after the backlash that IW got. It all adds up because the game is horrendously buggy and extremely lacks polish in all areas. Advanced Warfare 2 was rumored to already be in development at the time of IW's pre release and post release.

Activison knew that people are sick of the future stuff and slapped this clusterfuck of a game to try and make up all the money they lost with IW.

I played the game for 2 weeks and stopped because of how bad it is and I'm not gonna wait for any fixes because the damage has already been done.

World at War is nearly 10 years old and the fact that a game that old is better in every single category than the new one that has the same setting is embarrassing.
As someone who worked on CoD - I can confirm, they DO take three years a pop. Just because they found traces of IW in the WW2 code, just means that they are not stupid enough to throw out an engine and write a fresh one. Objects are not deleted because some thing depend on the object count. To save time, they might remove the asset but keep the reference. Going through every routine to check what it (and how many) things it expects would take a lot of time.

You worked on CoD?
Black Ops 3.


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If you know, you know.
As someone who worked on CoD - I can confirm, they DO take three years a pop.
Since you want to be a smartass explain to me why CoD games have shipped with less content, polish, and stability in a "3 year development" cycle than the ones that were made before it that were on the 360 and PS3 that took less time to make.

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Just because they found traces of IW in the WW2 code, just means that they are not stupid enough to throw out an engine and write a fresh one.
Yes they are. Activision are greedy fucks and they want to make up all the money they lost with IW. It's clear that they run these developers with an iron fist. If Advanced Warfare 2 was made and just released, they wouldn't even come close to what they made from WW2 sales and supply drops.

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Objects are not deleted because some thing depend on the object count. To save time, they might remove the asset but keep the reference. Going through every routine to check what it (and how many) things it expects would take a lot of time.
3 years is plenty of time to create a game, test play it, and fix any bug or anything else wrong with it before it is released. WW2 is a game that was just put together in half a year to make a quick buck and lacks the soul, creativity, immersion, and everything else that World at War features nearly 10 years ago.
I can explain it all. Just not enough time to write the whole story.

TL;DW: A lot of stuff is outsourced - so making sure there is equal polish across CP / MP and ZM is difficult.
The CP team already starts making up the story for the next game pretty much right after the current one is done and that across every department. Everyone is constantly working. In the final 6 months before release, all focus goes to the current game.

The reason previous games had more polish can be explained by two things:
1) Increased outsource. A lot is still in-house, but some things were outsourced. ZM is done by Raven. God bless their souls.
2) The code-base is updated. A lot more complexity in this one. A team that brings in big bank, they really could afford to hire more.

I can vouch for the team though. The boys and girls there work their asses off and any short-comings can be explained by unrealistic demands from the suits. The can hire more staff to ease crunch time, but why spend money when you can just voluntary make your employees work basically 16 hours a day?

The crunch time was so morbid. Walking past office and the people there struggling to stay awake.
Hire more staff ffs. College kids would work for literal bread, just to get some experience. Who am I kidding, they can afford to pay everyone over 50k, easy but they don't.