Why is Sep7agon so anti-modding?

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I'm not talking about aimbot cheating. I'm talking about content creation in an existing game, or simple mods that allow you to access in game content that is normally unobtainable, or a new way to play or explore an existing game.

I actually wish to post more threads discussing mods in games including but not limited to the Halo series, but with the amount of negative feedback that spikes from it, its rather discouraging to even try.

Why is this? Why is it wrong to mod anything? Unless the sole intent of a mod is to destroy or damage a profitable service or hardware, its not illegal. Yes it breaks the TOS with services like Xbox Live and PSN, but again, its not against the law.

I understand why Bungie will remove and/or ban you for threads regarding ANY modding with the Halo IP or even access to ANY beta they worked on unlocked, let alone modding discussion in general being a big no no, but I don't understand why Sep7agon is against this.

So, what gives? What's the deal?
Last Edit: March 09, 2018, 10:07:19 AM by Deci


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You talking about Halo 3 on your RGH console, online via system link tunneling with other RGH users?


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I don't think this community is very anti-modding. The only person who really is that way is Verb and that's because he has a very narrow view of playing a game and enjoying an artistic medium only as it was intended by the creator. Other than that I can't really think of anyone else who is opposed to it.

Oh and there actually are legal limits to some kind mods aside from those that damage services.
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I don't think this community is very anti-modding. The only person who really is that way is Verb and that's because he has a very narrow view of playing a game and enjoying an artistic medium only as it was intended by the creator. Other than that I can't really think of anyone else who is opposed to it.

Oh and there actually are legal limits to some kind mods aside from those that damage services.

Then Verbatim should frown upon 343 Industries for making the anniversary maps for Halo Reach, while 343 was legally in contract for that task, it still doesn't mean its the creator of Reach.

So if its only Verbatim, why don't others partake in discussions of mods or have threads of there own? Do they not care?

Because honestly, who gives a shit what Verbatim thinks? He's 1 user, and he's entitled to his own opinion.


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I don't think this community is very anti-modding. The only person who really is that way is Verb and that's because he has a very narrow view of playing a game and enjoying an artistic medium only as it was intended by the creator. Other than that I can't really think of anyone else who is opposed to it.

Oh and there actually are legal limits to some kind mods aside from those that damage services.

Then Verbatim should frown upon 343 Industries for making the anniversary maps for Halo Reach, while 343 was legally in contract for that task, it still doesn't mean its the creator of Reach.

So if its only Verbatim, why don't others partake in discussions of mods or have threads of there own? Do they not care?

Because honestly, who gives a shit what Verbatim thinks? He's 1 user, and he's entitled to his own opinion.
I don't think Verb really gives a shit about DLC for an 8 year old game.


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I don't think this community is very anti-modding. The only person who really is that way is Verb and that's because he has a very narrow view of playing a game and enjoying an artistic medium only as it was intended by the creator. Other than that I can't really think of anyone else who is opposed to it.

Oh and there actually are legal limits to some kind mods aside from those that damage services.

Then Verbatim should frown upon 343 Industries for making the anniversary maps for Halo Reach, while 343 was legally in contract for that task, it still doesn't mean its the creator of Reach.

So if its only Verbatim, why don't others partake in discussions of mods or have threads of there own? Do they not care?

Because honestly, who gives a shit what Verbatim thinks? He's 1 user, and he's entitled to his own opinion.
I don't think Verb really gives a shit about DLC for an 8 year old game.

Yet he gives a shit about modding a 15 year old console, a 10 year old game and whatever else he would like to take a dump on with glee.

Anyway, this thread isn't about Verbatim.

So, what's the reason you don't talk about any modding?


 
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i just dont think anyone cares about this


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I don't think this community is very anti-modding. The only person who really is that way is Verb and that's because he has a very narrow view of playing a game and enjoying an artistic medium only as it was intended by the creator. Other than that I can't really think of anyone else who is opposed to it.

Oh and there actually are legal limits to some kind mods aside from those that damage services.

Then Verbatim should frown upon 343 Industries for making the anniversary maps for Halo Reach, while 343 was legally in contract for that task, it still doesn't mean its the creator of Reach.

So if its only Verbatim, why don't others partake in discussions of mods or have threads of there own? Do they not care?

Because honestly, who gives a shit what Verbatim thinks? He's 1 user, and he's entitled to his own opinion.
I don't think Verb really gives a shit about DLC for an 8 year old game.

Yet he gives a shit about modding a 15 year old console, a 10 year old game and whatever else he would like to take a dump on with glee.

Anyway, this thread isn't about Verbatim.

So, what's the reason you don't talk about any modding?
Well I don't really mod games, for similar reasons to Verb, with the occasional exception of games like EU4 or Stellaris for themed mods like Fallout or Star Wars, and even then I don't go particularly far with it.

The only mod that I really actively use whenever I play is the Restored Content Mod for KOTOR 2, and that's been officially endorsed by the developers who added support to the game for it relatively recently.


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i just dont think anyone cares about this

And that's unfortunate, because if they did, they could look into cool shit like this.

YouTube


 
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I think the real question here is why have you betrayed Flee and why don't you watch his stream?


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I think the real question here is why have you betrayed Flee and why don't you watch his stream?

Stay on topic please.


 
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pretty sure the vast majority of people here either actively support modding or don't really care one way or another what people do with their games

I mean I only add lore-friendly mods to stuff like Fallout but I don't really care what other people do, even if I don't really get why you would do it


 
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I think the real question here is why have you betrayed Flee and why don't you watch his stream?

Stay on topic please.
Why don't you want to talk about it?


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I think the real question here is why have you betrayed Flee and why don't you watch his stream?

Stay on topic please.
Why don't you want to talk about it?

Wrong thread to talk about it in, start your own or PM me.


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
I think the real question here is why have you betrayed Flee and why don't you watch his stream?

Stay on topic please.
Why don't you want to talk about it?

Wrong thread to talk about it in, start your own or PM me.
I demand an answer. Flee deserves that much.


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deci reupload the challenger 1v1 for gods sake

Stay on topic.

pretty sure the vast majority of people here either actively support modding or don't really care one way or another what people do with their games

I mean I only add lore-friendly mods to stuff like Fallout but I don't really care what other people do, even if I don't really get why you would do it

Fallout is cool for that. I know its not the same exactly but its at least a step in the right direction to make modding more mainstream.

I'm just glad that modding communities are still a thing. I mean Custom Edition for Halo CE is still going strong for instance.


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I think the real question here is why have you betrayed Flee and why don't you watch his stream?

Stay on topic please.
Why don't you want to talk about it?

Wrong thread to talk about it in, start your own or PM me.
I demand an answer. Flee deserves that much.

Either stay on topic and post something constructive to the thread topic, or I'm just going to stop responding to you all together itt


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
I think the real question here is why have you betrayed Flee and why don't you watch his stream?

Stay on topic please.
Why don't you want to talk about it?

Wrong thread to talk about it in, start your own or PM me.
I demand an answer. Flee deserves that much.

Either stay on topic and post something constructive to the thread topic, or I'm just going to stop responding to you all together itt
mods suck ass


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you mean the opinion of one guy

tbh I think mods are garbage since sticking anime tiddies on everything wasnt part of the original artists vision


 
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as everyone else has said

i'm the only person who's opposed to modding

games are art and belong to their artist, and it's not anyone's place to change anything about it, with a few exceptions


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mods raped my dog
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as everyone else has said

i'm the only person who's opposed to modding

games are art and belong to their artist, and it's not anyone's place to change anything about it, with a few exceptions
You've probably already answered this but what's your opinion on mods that add in/ enable content that was intended for the base game but cut due to issues like time constraints?


 
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You've probably already answered this but what's your opinion on mods that add in/ enable content that was intended for the base game but cut due to issues like time constraints?
Depends on the case, but with KOTOR 2 specifically (which seems to be the most commonly cited case), I wouldn't care if you decided to go ahead and restore the cut content.

I personally wouldn't. If it's so important for me to experience it in some way, I would opt instead to watch clips of the restored content on YouTube.

Chris Avellone, the game's lead designer, doesn't point the finger at LucasArts for having his team at Obsidian rush the game out. He blames the team for wasting too much time fiddling around with relatively insignificant shit.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-31-fear-is-the-path-to-the-dark-side
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But however valiant the team's efforts, Knights of the Old Republic 2 would not be properly finished - "broken", the team implores polite old me - and asking LucasArts for an extension was out of the question. "There would have been substantial penalties had we not have made that date," Avellone tells me. But LucasArts isn't the Sith Lord in all of this, the Obsidianites are quick to point out. The house that Star Wars built sent QA people over to help in-house, and did "crucial" work getting all the game's cinematics together. The LucasArts people were so nerdy about Star Wars they could even understand the fictional language written on posters in the game, which resulted in some odd bugs being filed on Obsidian staff who didn't think such a thing was possible.

No, the real fault, Avellone says, was Obsidian's eyes being bigger than its belly. "There's a number of design decisions we could have done to de-scope the game. We should have removed all mini-games - that was a huge waste of time. And all those cut-scenes we had, the in-engine sequences: all of those were such a huge pain in the arse to set up and we could never count on them reliably." There's a reason why so many cut-scenes take place on the Ebon Hawk, and that's because Obsidian could ensure people would be standing in the right places when they triggered. Oh and redesigning the interface was also "a huge waste of time".

Therefore, the way I see it, the game deserves to be unfinished. I'm not into giving developers a pass for failing to be punctual and making good use of their development time, and since he's the LEAD designer, I'm taking his word over anyone else's.

Had LucasArts been entirely to blame for the game's unfinished state, I might have been more sympathetic.
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Also, it's confusing to me why they don't just patch the game with all the restored content in it.

Who would care? Why do I have to mod the game?


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Also, it's confusing to me why they don't just patch the game with all the restored content in it.

Who would care? Why do I have to mod the game?

Because as an example MS doesn't give two shits to have DRM armor in a 10 year old video game accessible, and I'm someone who likes to earn armor.

I think you know what I'm implying with this so I'm gonna stop there. Hate all you want, its hard coded into the game so its not exactly a "mod" mod, but I will say this. I do like user created maps. PC does that.

I mainly prefer simple shit. Not autistic texture swapping. that's gay.


 
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Dude mods lmao