Why does Street Fighter resort to this?

 
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Here's some more shit to chew on
you're gonna give me a fucking hernia, dude

just tryna keep the thread on-topic


 
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The main question I need answered right now is why you shouldn't hate sexuality. Why shouldn't you be pissed off about how women are represented in games.

I haven't received an adequate answer to these questions in my life.


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If I can logically demonstrate something to be wrong, it would be irrational to disagree with me.

Most of your arguments boil down to 'because I don't like it'. Which is inconsequential, really.

But anyway, I'll get what I want, and you won't, so I suppose I still win no matter how well you argue. Funny how life works out like that.


 
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Most of your arguments boil down to 'because I don't like it'. Which is inconsequential, really.
So you've never seen any of my arguments, then. Okey-dokey.


 
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It isn't Jakeybear himself that I dislike, it's his retarded insistence that everyone think the way he does.

I get that it can be difficult to argue with Verbatim sometimes

he and I had an argument about emulating old pokemon games a week or two ago and it was frustrating to say the least

but in this instance, specifically, there really hasn't been a single logical counterargument

so i mean, logically, that should be enough for someone to say "okay, they've articulated their point well enough, maybe I should adopt their opinion on the matter."

Or at the very least, concede that they're right.

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"I hate sexuality" is a perfectly acceptable thing to say. "I hate sexuality, and so should you" is just silly.

Tbh that's just him ITT

I have my own opinions about sexuality but I've tried to keep them hidden ITT for the sake of staying on topic

that topic being "oversexualisation"

which is most definitely a problem


 
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at first there's something to look at (talk about on a forum) but upon further inspection there's nothing of substance underneath.
yeah but DoA actually has some of the best gameplay on the fighter market.
But no one will ever know since they spend more time with their hands on their dicks rather than the controller.
I wish.

Maybe then I could have gotten above D ranking when I used to pass time in Ft. Useless by playing Dimensions on my 3ds.


 
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The main question I need answered right now is why you shouldn't hate sexuality. Why shouldn't you be pissed off about how women are represented in games.

I haven't received an adequate answer to these questions in my life.
Actually, that's not true at all. I have received adequate answers (from Luciana and Aria in particular), but I haven't received... great answers. Answers that changed my mind on the topic forever and caused me to adopt THEIR line of thought.

So let me rephrase--
Why should I not care about oversexualization? Why shouldn't I consider this an issue?
Why should I adopt your line of thought? Why should I be apathetic?
Last Edit: August 27, 2015, 10:03:53 PM by Verbatim


 
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The main question I need answered right now is why you shouldn't hate sexuality. Why shouldn't you be pissed off about how women are represented in games.

I haven't received an adequate answer to these questions in my life.
Actually, that's not true at all. I have received adequate answers (from Luciana and Aria in particular), but I haven't received... great answers. Answers that changed my mind on the topic forever and adopted THEIR line of thought.

So let me rephrase--
Why should I not care about oversexualization? Why shouldn't I consider this an issue?
Why should I adopt your line of thought?

Because it doesn't affect you.

Duh.


 
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Because it doesn't affect you.

Duh.
right, right

now, maybe if I was a selfish cunt, i'd care about whether things affect just me or not
Last Edit: August 27, 2015, 10:01:14 PM by Verbatim


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There are TONS of girls who do not appreciate this sort of shit. The whole feminazi movement should be enough to convince you of that.

Okay. Are any of them actually hurt by fictitious breasts, or are they whining about shit that affects literally nobody? It's stupid and immature, sure, I agree with that, but exactly how are they harmed? Nobody is offended by Ryu's torso-sized biceps or Akuma's borderline-deformed pecs. What stands out about Mika's bizarre and impossible figure? I find it amusing, personally.

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Now that probably sounds like white-knighting or whatever but I think it means something to say that I do this for everything that I deem an issue.

I acknowledge that. I'd have more respect for it if you were willing to make actual progress instead of posting the same sort of thread that's been made dozens of times before on this site. No matter how many times you repeat it, you won't change anything.

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That's exactly my point. The only thing I can do about it, is talk about it. Protest.

Or as some people would say it, exactly what I'm doing right now.

There's loads you could do. I illuminated a few of your options in my last post. If you really feel this is an issue, do something more than just complain somewhere they won't find it. You say you care about women and how they're represented, but trying to argue for them in such a half-assed way is just insulting.

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I don't expect them to.

But people on their forums? On Twitter (where I'm pretty vocal about it as well)? On their YouTube channel or article comment sections?

I can't tell you how many developers follow the same people I do, and read the same articles I do, and look at the same comments I do.

I'll make you a deal. Rally people on Twitter, on their YouTube channel, on Capcom's website, anywhere that will have a real effect. When you've made a real difference, I'll concede on the matter. I'll even protest alongside you. Does that sound fair?

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Even if one person takes away what I've said here today and says "Hmm, you know what? He was right?" I've succeeded.

Yet it's still all for naught if you're unwilling to do anything about it.


 
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Arguing on the Internet is doing something about it. Get over it.

If you're saying, "Do more stuff than what you're doing," then say that.
Last Edit: August 27, 2015, 10:16:10 PM by Verbatim


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Arguing on the Internet is doing something about it. Get over it.

Sure, in the same sense muttering 'that's terrible' to your TV when you hear about some recent tragedy counts as 'doing something about it'. You can smile and think about how much good you're doing while I can smile and think about the boobs that will be in the game despite your efforts (or lack thereof).


 
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Sure, in the same sense muttering 'that's terrible' to your TV when you hear about some recent tragedy counts as 'doing something about it'.
Wrong.

When conversing with people over the Internet, you are relaying information. Durr. You might just relay the information to someone who would actually be willing to do something about it. Shouting at your TV is useless because no one can hear you.

I just tweeted at Capcom, by the way. Can I be in the sooper cool uber progressive getting-shit-done club now?


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Sure, in the same sense muttering 'that's terrible' to your TV when you hear about some recent tragedy counts as 'doing something about it'.
Wrong.

When conversing with people over the Internet, you are relaying information. Durr. You might just relay the information to someone who would actually be willing to do something about it. Shouting at your TV is useless because no one can hear you.

Same deal here, only in this case it's less that nobody can hear you and more that nobody gives a shit. You can have the most brilliantly-written point ever, and it won't change the fact that nobody else on this site wants to join you in your slothful armchair protest.

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I just tweeted at Capcom, by the way. Can I be in the sooper cool uber progressive getting-shit-done club now?

You're doing better than you were a minute ago, certainly. Do that more, with more people who care, more widespread, and you might just affect something for once.


 
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Okay. Are any of them actually hurt by fictitious breasts, or are they whining about shit that affects literally nobody?

1. You'll have to define "hurt". If you mean physically, probably not. But surely you see the folly in only fighting against things that harm people physically.

2. It not hurting them physically =/= it not affecting them

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It's stupid and immature, sure, I agree with that, but exactly how are they harmed?

Many women feel that they are objectified and that degrades their self-worth, which can have negative psychological side-effects. That "they're nothing but tools or playthings for men".

I'd hate to feel like that.

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Nobody is offended by Ryu's torso-sized biceps or Akuma's borderline-deformed pecs.

Probably because neither of those characters are oversexualised for the sake of sexualisation? The developers didn't make Ryu "buff" to make girls horny and buy their game, they did that to convey the fact that he's a BAMF.

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What stands out about Mika's bizarre and impossible figure?

The fact that she caresses her boobs and slaps her ass in animations makes it abundantly clear that their only intention was to sexualise her for the sake of selling copies to mouthbreathers, as this thread calls 'em.

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I acknowledge that. I'd have more respect for it if you were willing to make actual progress instead of posting the same sort of thread that's been made dozens of times before on this site.

But like... how would I go about doing that? How could I convey "actual progress" in the world besides what I'm already doing?

Like, yeah, I could go out to rallies and start petitions and shit. But who's to say I don't already do that? What if I just browse Sep7 in my free time, and decided to voice my opinion here because it's a topic I take issue with?

Plus I think the fact that there are so many "non-believers" (for lack of a better term) proves the point that we need MORE of these kinds of threads.

Your argument that "you should be doing more" doesn't actually hold any water, brother.

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If you really feel this is an issue, do something more than just complain somewhere they won't find it. You say you care about women and how they're represented, but trying to argue for them in such a half-assed way is just insulting.

But I do! Like, it's not like I just argue it here and call it a day. I take my arguments wherever I go, and I do my best to fix this issue.

Like I've lost 50 followers on twitter over the last couple of months because I'm constantly calling out people (developers and such) for their bullshit. A lot of the time it has to do with sexualisation.

And Twitter is such an effective tool because I can speak directly to that person.

Your argument that "I should be doing more" even though I am, again, holds no water.

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I'll make you a deal. Rally people on Twitter, on their YouTube channel, on Capcom's website, anywhere that will have a real effect. When you've made a real difference, I'll concede on the matter. I'll even protest alongside you. Does that sound fair?

I don't know why you would need other people to make a decision for yourself. Why would "rallying more people" change your mind on anything?

I'm not asking that you leave your house and family behind in the ideal of protecting women's rights, lol. I'm only asking that you concede that this is an issue, and that's it's wrong. That's all.

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Yet it's still all for naught if you're unwilling to do anything about it.

Except that person is likely to argue that opinion on other places on the internet.

I don't think you understand how easily one person's opinion can change things, especially on the internet.


 
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it won't change the fact that nobody else on this site wants to join you in your slothful armchair protest.
If you're stupid.

Apathy would only make sense to me if you
- don't play video games
- aren't a woman

which is why I find it particularly disgusting when female gamers don't care


 
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Either Verb has gotten nicer, or I like him more

Because I see insults going his way and not the other way around. At least at a glance.


 
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Either Verb has gotten nicer, or I like him more

Because I see insults going his way and not the other way around. At least at a glance.
thank you for noticing

i'll still bite people, but I try not to let it get too out of hand

i'm also very condescending still, which I need to work on, but it's so much fun


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It takes a while to get to it. But in the end you'll find out Verb actually has a soft nougaty center.


 
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Awh how sweet


 
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Go to bed?
I'm pretty sure Verb, can handle this alone.

1. Verb always hogs all the good arguments, and I get stuck with "well, hunting is good for the environment and well being of animals"

2. I need the practise

3. I dont feel like Verb is going to get through to plotmaster because there's so much, er, dislike between them.

But i had already decided on going to bed so whatever


 
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3. I dont feel like Verb is going to get through to plotmaster because there's so much, er, dislike between them.
you're right

I have no problems with agreeing with my opposition on shit, but I think plotmaster is genuinely just afraid to agree with me on anything

he once FLIPPED OUT because I tried to ask him why he likes prototype, because I was honestly curious
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You're telling me. I had these nougat squares with almonds once, HOLY SHIT.


 
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Awh how sweet
have I ever told you how similar you are to cindy

I mean, I know you're friends, but

you're practically the same person

she's just a little bit more, uh... eccentric?


 
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i'm just asking because cindy and I would also argue about similar shit, except I would never really get anywhere with her

she hasn't posted here in awhile


 
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Cindy is crying because she's not good at dark souls 2


and verb, theyre basically the same in

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