Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:36:25 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:33:18 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:30:35 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:25:37 PM

I heard it sucks as hard as DS2

Besides it getting praised by pretty much everyone?

-No shields
-Aggressively hard

Guys were le good becuz we make game real dificil

So you don't have any actual reasons as to why it's bad?

Its not bad I just don't like the idea of making game for the purpose of being hard.

gimme a c

gimme an a

gimme an s

gimme a u

gimme another a

gimme an l

whats that spell?

C A S U A L!

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:36:25 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:33:18 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:30:35 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:25:37 PM

I heard it sucks as hard as DS2

Besides it getting praised by pretty much everyone?

-No shields
-Aggressively hard

Guys were le good becuz we make game real dificil

So you don't have any actual reasons as to why it's bad?

Its not bad I just don't like the idea of making game for the purpose of being hard.

It's not difficult just for the sake of being difficult.

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:42:50 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on March 25, 2015, 07:40:39 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:37:32 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:36:25 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:33:18 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:30:35 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:25:37 PM

I heard it sucks as hard as DS2

Besides it getting praised by pretty much everyone?

-No shields
-Aggressively hard

Guys were le good becuz we make game real dificil

So you don't have any actual reasons as to why it's bad?

Its not bad I just don't like the idea of making game for the purpose of being hard.

gimme a c

gimme an a

gimme an s

gimme a u

gimme another a

gimme an l

whats that spell?

C A S U A L!

Its okay for a game to be hard but at this point they avoid allowing people to have fun. They just throw stupid amounts of sword eating enemies at you.

Flawless logic.

If people didn't enjoy the games they wouldn't sell.

>taking my wording 100% literally

I don't enjoy games that exist to be hard.

Quote from: Azumarill on March 25, 2015, 07:40:39 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:37:32 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:36:25 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:33:18 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:30:35 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:25:37 PM

I heard it sucks as hard as DS2

Besides it getting praised by pretty much everyone?

-No shields
-Aggressively hard

Guys were le good becuz we make game real dificil

So you don't have any actual reasons as to why it's bad?

Its not bad I just don't like the idea of making game for the purpose of being hard.

gimme a c

gimme an a

gimme an s

gimme a u

gimme another a

gimme an l

whats that spell?

C A S U A L!

Its okay for a game to be hard but at this point they avoid allowing people to have fun. They just throw stupid amounts of sword eating enemies at you. And now noshields5u so you must play like Wayne Gretzky

you know, many people find pleasure in a challenge. if every game was Skyrim level easy i would have quit playing games a decade ago. but, when youve been stuck on something forever, wracking your brain thinking of the right strategy to employ, and you finally get in there and get that shit done, you feel like a goddamn hero. it forces you to roleplay; total immersion. thats why i like the souls games. they dont hold your hand. they give you the tools to succeed, throw a bunch of enemies at you, and let you work shit out on your own. i like that. im not a 5 year old kid. i dont need a handicap to get shit done in a game. i dont want a handicap. i want them to throw as much shit at me as i can possibly handle, and more, because it will push me to my limit and make me a better gamer.

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:42:50 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on March 25, 2015, 07:40:39 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:37:32 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:36:25 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:33:18 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:30:35 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:25:37 PM

I heard it sucks as hard as DS2

Besides it getting praised by pretty much everyone?

-No shields
-Aggressively hard

Guys were le good becuz we make game real dificil

So you don't have any actual reasons as to why it's bad?

Its not bad I just don't like the idea of making game for the purpose of being hard.

gimme a c

gimme an a

gimme an s

gimme a u

gimme another a

gimme an l

whats that spell?

C A S U A L!

Its okay for a game to be hard but at this point they avoid allowing people to have fun. They just throw stupid amounts of sword eating enemies at you. And now noshields5u so you must play like Wayne Gretzky

you know, many people find pleasure in a challenge. if every game was Skyrim level easy i would have quit playing games a decade ago. but, when youve been stuck on something forever, wracking your brain thinking of the right strategy to employ, and you finally get in there and get that shit done, you feel like a goddamn hero. it forces you to roleplay; total immersion. thats why i like the souls games. they dont hold your hand. they give you the tools to succeed, throw a bunch of enemies at you, and let you work shit out on your own. i like that. im not a 5 year old kid. i dont need a handicap to get shit done in a game. i dont want a handicap. i want them to throw as much shit at me as i can possibly handle, and more, because it will push me to my limit and make me a better gamer.

I enjoy challenge too. I never said I didn't.

I don't like games that are stupidly hard though. The souls series (specifically demon souls and ds2) are fucking retarded. They are not challenging they are retarded. They are based off trial and error which is takes no skill. Blank enemy jumps out of nowhere and instantly kills you. Idk and Idc anymore. Stop arguing with me and let me have a damn opinion.

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:49:53 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:48:15 PM

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Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:42:50 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on March 25, 2015, 07:40:39 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:37:32 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:36:25 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:33:18 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:30:35 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:25:37 PM

I heard it sucks as hard as DS2

Besides it getting praised by pretty much everyone?

-No shields
-Aggressively hard

Guys were le good becuz we make game real dificil

So you don't have any actual reasons as to why it's bad?

Its not bad I just don't like the idea of making game for the purpose of being hard.

gimme a c

gimme an a

gimme an s

gimme a u

gimme another a

gimme an l

whats that spell?

C A S U A L!

Its okay for a game to be hard but at this point they avoid allowing people to have fun. They just throw stupid amounts of sword eating enemies at you.

Flawless logic.

If people didn't enjoy the games they wouldn't sell.

>taking my wording 100% literally

I don't enjoy games that exist to be hard.

The games aren't difficult just for the sake of being difficult

Except they are.

"Prepare to die"™

Miyazaki himself hated that Bandi did that marketing. It's not about dying.

That's interesting.

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 08:00:20 PM

The souls series (specifically demon souls and ds2) are fucking retarded.

DS2 did do things to just make it "lol hard" like throw add on's with bosses, but Dark Souls 1 was defo more difficult.

losing max hp on death was weird and unnecessary too, despite the countermeasures you could take with effigies and the ring

Quote from: Azumarill on March 25, 2015, 07:40:39 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:37:32 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:36:25 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:33:18 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:30:35 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:25:37 PM

I heard it sucks as hard as DS2

Besides it getting praised by pretty much everyone?

-No shields
-Aggressively hard

Guys were le good becuz we make game real dificil

So you don't have any actual reasons as to why it's bad?

Its not bad I just don't like the idea of making game for the purpose of being hard.

gimme a c

gimme an a

gimme an s

gimme a u

gimme another a

gimme an l

whats that spell?

C A S U A L!

Its okay for a game to be hard but at this point they avoid allowing people to have fun. They just throw stupid amounts of sword eating enemies at you. And now noshields5u so you must play like Wayne Gretzky

Funny you should mention shields.

I play dark souls II without one. They're actually just completely dead weight. I even got used to it in the first souls as well.

Here's the key thing with the souls series, or spiritual successor souls series as I should say.

Just because you aren't having fun doesn't mean the rest of the community aren't. The souls community, veteran players of demons souls, dark souls, and soon to be bloodborne, have gotten along just fine so far.

The games are founded on challenge. Not being hard for the sak of hard. Dark souls II is a good example of, "hard for the sake of hard."

Previous installments provided challenges. But they also provided the player the means of which to beat them. Environmental awareness. Planning. Tactics. Enemies with learnable tricks and patterns. Windows of opportunity.

You got mobbed? Maybe you could have sniped some beforehand. Maybe you could have retreated. Maybe you had an item on you that could tip the scales. Maybe you could have even snuck by.

The spirtual successor souls series was never for everybody. And by now most veteran players expect these kinds of things. They wouldn't be playing the games otherwise.

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:48:15 PM

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Quote from: Azumarill on March 25, 2015, 07:40:39 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:37:32 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:36:25 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:33:18 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:30:35 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:25:37 PM

I heard it sucks as hard as DS2

Besides it getting praised by pretty much everyone?

-No shields
-Aggressively hard

Guys were le good becuz we make game real dificil

So you don't have any actual reasons as to why it's bad?

Its not bad I just don't like the idea of making game for the purpose of being hard.

gimme a c

gimme an a

gimme an s

gimme a u

gimme another a

gimme an l

whats that spell?

C A S U A L!

Its okay for a game to be hard but at this point they avoid allowing people to have fun. They just throw stupid amounts of sword eating enemies at you.

Flawless logic.

If people didn't enjoy the games they wouldn't sell.

>taking my wording 100% literally

I don't enjoy games that exist to be hard.

The games aren't difficult just for the sake of being difficult

Except they are.

"Prepare to die"™

>marketing

The games are only difficult because they don't hold your hand, and if you're a retard that just charges in as though they're playing a TES game.
It's far more about patience, strategy and working things out on your own instead of "lol hard game because hard".

Quote from: Azumarill on March 25, 2015, 07:48:17 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:42:50 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on March 25, 2015, 07:40:39 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:37:32 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:36:25 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:33:18 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 25, 2015, 07:30:35 PM

Quote from: Mistanosejob on March 25, 2015, 07:25:37 PM

I heard it sucks as hard as DS2

Besides it getting praised by pretty much everyone?

-No shields
-Aggressively hard

Guys were le good becuz we make game real dificil

So you don't have any actual reasons as to why it's bad?

Its not bad I just don't like the idea of making game for the purpose of being hard.

gimme a c

gimme an a

gimme an s

gimme a u

gimme another a

gimme an l

whats that spell?

C A S U A L!

Its okay for a game to be hard but at this point they avoid allowing people to have fun. They just throw stupid amounts of sword eating enemies at you. And now noshields5u so you must play like Wayne Gretzky

you know, many people find pleasure in a challenge. if every game was Skyrim level easy i would have quit playing games a decade ago. but, when youve been stuck on something forever, wracking your brain thinking of the right strategy to employ, and you finally get in there and get that shit done, you feel like a goddamn hero. it forces you to roleplay; total immersion. thats why i like the souls games. they dont hold your hand. they give you the tools to succeed, throw a bunch of enemies at you, and let you work shit out on your own. i like that. im not a 5 year old kid. i dont need a handicap to get shit done in a game. i dont want a handicap. i want them to throw as much shit at me as i can possibly handle, and more, because it will push me to my limit and make me a better gamer.

I enjoy challenge too. I never said I didn't.

I don't like games that are stupidly hard though. The souls series (specifically demon souls and ds2) are fucking retarded. They are not challenging they are retarded. They are based off trial and error which is takes no skill. Blank enemy jumps out of nowhere and instantly kills you. Idk and Idc anymore. Stop arguing with me and let me have a damn opinion.

I was one of the people who thought the Souls games were overly punishing with cheap difficulty just for the sake of it. Which was very off putting when looking at the series. The arrogance of some of the fan base probably doesn't help.

After playing bloodborne for a couple days I can see that was a wrong assumption. If you die, 99% of the time it's your own fault. You can't just run in swinging and expect to live. It's genuinely challenging the player to play smarter and punishes you when you underestimate an opponent.  It doesn't hold your hand like most other games and expects you to be competent enough to figure it out.

Naoto, you should try your hand at Dark Souls 1. It really is just as amazing as BB with the same magic and everything.

Avoid DS2 though if you're not huge on it. I honestly don't consider it canon ._.

while it's nowhere near the masterpiece that is dark souls 1, I enjoyed dark souls 2 a ton, and I'm hoping the scholar of the first sin fixes the ending and it releases on ps4

Quote from: Tyger on March 25, 2015, 10:15:58 PM

Quote from: Luciana on March 25, 2015, 08:12:19 PM

At least we can all agree Dark Souls 2 "hard for the sake of hard" is a fact. Those stupid add on's for bosses and what not are just retarded, and all they do is the same 3 swings.

1. Left

2. Right

3. Thrust/sweep

oh you hated fighting 2 gargoyles at once? Here, fight 6.

That was the stupidest thing ever. I was only able to complete it once. I didn't even think it was possible when I first started trying to beat them.

with 40 faith they get like two shotted by great lightning spear >.> that's the only way I ever killed them