We've won, Steam went back on paid mods

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>we didn't know exactly what we were doing

You don't FUCKING say


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Pity it doesn't have a grave to piss on, but thank god this outcry made them backtrack. This could have set such a disgusting precedent for PC gaming.


 
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So the idiots got refunded. Okay.

Now what about the people who made money? That's just theirs now?
Who's paying the difference? Valve or Bethesda?
Last Edit: April 27, 2015, 06:58:17 PM by Verbatim


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Pity it doesn't have a grave to piss on, but thank god this outcry made them backtrack. This could have set such a disgusting precedent for PC gaming.

The problem will become a permenant burn in our mind though. Forever a reminder tha-



I-I'm sorry, what was I talking about?


 
 
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Pity it doesn't have a grave to piss on, but thank god this outcry made them backtrack. This could have set such a disgusting precedent for PC gaming.

The problem will become a permenant burn in our mind though. Forever a reminder tha-



I-I'm sorry, what was I talking about?
It's good though, it really showed valve up for how far they are willing to sink for a quick buck. The last few steam sales have been kinda meh too, not terrible but nothing like they were a couple of years ago even.


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TFW: There were People who actualy bought mods

Anyone stupid enough to pay money for mods deserves neither.


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The angel agreed to trade a set of white wings for the head of another demon. Overjoyed, the demon killed one of his own and plucked the head right off its still-warm body.

The angel then led the demon to heaven, where he underwent centuries of the cruelest tortures imaginable. Finally, the pain was so great that he lost consciousness - at which point his dark wings turned the promised shade of white.
Well they listened. Youre k Valve


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They had good intentions. Just nightmarish implementation.

At least they can admit they didn't think it through and need to go back to the drawing board. Most companies would let their egos get in the way.


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They had good intentions

Not really, tho


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They had good intentions

Not really, tho
Dont chalk up to malevolence what can be explained by incompetence. Valve has a pretty good track record for supporting the community. Gabe was pretty clear where he was coming from in his posts. Even went in and made sure people were unbanned.

Finding a way for modders to get paid for their work is not in and of itself a bad thing. They just didn't take any of the negatives of this method into consideration before launching it.


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Finding a way for modders to get paid for their work is not in and of itself a bad thing.

Oh, I totally agree.

So what about the fact that the modders only made 25% of the income that their mods brought in, and only after $100 total was spent on their mod by the community?


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Finding a way for modders to get paid for their work is not in and of itself a bad thing.

Oh, I totally agree.

So what about the fact that the modders only made 25% of the income that their mods brought in, and only after $100 total was spent on their mod by the community?
That was one of the (many) negatives. Supposedly its the current industry standard for paid mods according to Bethesda.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/amid-controversy-bethesda-defends-paid-steam-mods/1100-6426929/

I think they had more issues with copyright, mod ownership, mod requirements, and no contingency for a mod suddenly not working due to update or interference from another mod, etc. The the user  would be s.o.l. for the money they would have spent.
Last Edit: April 27, 2015, 09:36:06 PM by Naoto


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We always say to fight fire, you must use fire. This is wrong. Fighting fire with fire will leave scars and a new flame will rise. We must instead use water. It is the opposite of fire, it extinguishes the fire, it cools, it refreshes, it heals. We are made up of 70% water, we are not made up of 70% fire. Please practice what we truly are
DONATION BUTTON! DAH!


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DONATION BUTTON! DAH!
Can't take cuts from donations. Though they do nicely avoid copyright issues.


 
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We only won the battle. Reread the statement, this war is far from over. Valve thought that the retards that make up the DOTA 2, TF2, and CS:GO communities also populated the Bethesda one and they flat out say that they still think its a good idea that they're going to try again in a different way down the line.

I'd also like to point out that if people had just done the whole "don't complain, vote with your wallet" Valve never would have "reversed" this decision. In a near monopoly you have to scream at the top of your lungs and try and to damage the company by making them spend as much money as you can via spreading the word and keeping up an email flooding campaign.

Valve only retracted this because the money they were having to spend to deal with and counteract this negative publicity far exceeded the amount of money they were making off of stupid people.


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I love you, son.
Implementation was horrible, but I'm all for people (like the Falskaar devs) getting a little something for their work.


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Well that's just stupid.


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Did he say glass of juice or gas the Jews?
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If anything there should have just been a donation amount. Paying for mods is just a shitty idea since there's going to be many spam mods just there to make money. Paying 50cents for a sword is no different than that bullshit where you pay $1 for a character skin. 


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Did he say glass of juice or gas the Jews?
👶🏽:h..

👨🏽:honey, he's gonna say his first words

👩🏽:!!

👶🏽:hhh...

👶🏽:here come dat boi 🐸!

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Fat man got BTFO
That had to been one hell of a windstorm in order to move his ass.


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Last Edit: April 28, 2015, 05:16:10 AM by Big Boss


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Implementation was horrible, but I'm all for people (like the Falskaar devs) getting a little something for their work.
That's called a donation button


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I'm glad they went back on it, not glad they seem unrepentant and intend to try again another way.

This had potential, but that potential likely never would have been achieved anyway. People have a way of fucking this stuff up.


 
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There are pros and cons about the whole ordeal and how actually paid mods could have helped. It just wasn't executed right. You've "won" nothing, nor I accept to give any importance to the venomous masses who harassed other people over this. It's one thing to be civil and express sadness or disagreement, and another to target modders and harass them.

Those people do not deserve mods; they do not deserve any creativity, time and effort of which creating, and supporting a mod does. Just because they are ungrateful, and ready to violently hit anyone who they deem right.

 It's not a vocal minority either; but it's a huge mass of people who do not see modders as humans, or probably think it's acceptable to let out their frustration on them.
Last Edit: April 28, 2015, 09:51:20 AM by Isara


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I love you, son.
Hopefully Valve will implement the system in a better way later on.


 
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Those people do not deserve mods
No one deserves to have their art pissed on, I agree.


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There are pros and cons about the whole ordeal and how actually paid mods could have helped. It just wasn't executed right. You've "won" nothing, nor I accept to give any importance to the venomous masses who harassed other people over this. It's one thing to be civil and express sadness or disagreement, and another to target modders and harass them.

Those people do not deserve mods; they do not deserve any creativity, time and effort of which creating, and supporting a mod does. Just because they are ungrateful, and ready to violently hit anyone who they deem right.

 It's not a vocal minority either; but it's a huge mass of people who do not see modders as humans, or probably think it's acceptable to let out their frustration on them.
I think there being shitty people on the internet is not really news. Death threats are amazingly common and 99% of the time not legitimate. Its almost assuredly a vocal minority since a majority on the internet would be a very large number. Saying its a vocal minority though doesn't make it less of an issue.

I wouldn't cast all modders as being in the same camp either. Since this divided the community into separate camps fairly well.

While I think quite a few people get too wrapped up in the emotion, and don't really think the issue out rationally, I also just don't put much stock in 'people on the internet said mean things'. Since that is always going to be the case. Usually you get better results focusing on better dialogue, and blocking out the shitheads.