We've won, Steam went back on paid mods

Verbatim · April 27, 2015, 06:39:55 PM

>we didn't know exactly what we were doing

You don't FUCKING say

Girl of Mystery · April 27, 2015, 06:40:11 PM

Fat man got BTFO

Mr. Psychologist · April 27, 2015, 06:40:59 PM

Pity it doesn't have a grave to piss on, but thank god this outcry made them backtrack. This could have set such a disgusting precedent for PC gaming.

Verbatim · April 27, 2015, 06:46:28 PM

So the idiots got refunded. Okay.

Now what about the people who made money? That's just theirs now?
Who's paying the difference? Valve or Bethesda?

Tackel · April 27, 2015, 06:46:59 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 27, 2015, 06:40:59 PM

Pity it doesn't have a grave to piss on, but thank god this outcry made them backtrack. This could have set such a disgusting precedent for PC gaming.

The problem will become a permenant burn in our mind though. Forever a reminder tha-

I-I'm sorry, what was I talking about?

Mr. Psychologist · April 27, 2015, 06:49:14 PM

Quote from: Tackelberry on April 27, 2015, 06:46:59 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on April 27, 2015, 06:40:59 PM
Pity it doesn't have a grave to piss on, but thank god this outcry made them backtrack. This could have set such a disgusting precedent for PC gaming.

The problem will become a permenant burn in our mind though. Forever a reminder tha-

I-I'm sorry, what was I talking about?

It's good though, it really showed valve up for how far they are willing to sink for a quick buck. The last few steam sales have been kinda meh too, not terrible but nothing like they were a couple of years ago even.

The Lord Ruler · April 27, 2015, 07:05:16 PM

At least they listen I guess

Deleted · April 27, 2015, 07:05:46 PM

TFW: There were People who actualy bought mods

Anyone stupid enough to pay money for mods deserves neither.

Ásgeirr · April 27, 2015, 07:28:03 PM

Well they listened. Youre k Valve

CIS · April 27, 2015, 07:58:29 PM

THANK

FUCKING

GOD

Naoto · April 27, 2015, 09:11:44 PM

They had good intentions. Just nightmarish implementation.

At least they can admit they didn't think it through and need to go back to the drawing board. Most companies would let their egos get in the way.

Cindy · April 27, 2015, 09:12:40 PM

Quote from: Naoto on April 27, 2015, 09:11:44 PM

They had good intentions

Not really, tho

Naoto · April 27, 2015, 09:22:15 PM

Quote from: Saerveyn on April 27, 2015, 09:12:40 PM

Quote from: Naoto on April 27, 2015, 09:11:44 PM
They had good intentions

Not really, tho

Dont chalk up to malevolence what can be explained by incompetence. Valve has a pretty good track record for supporting the community. Gabe was pretty clear where he was coming from in his posts. Even went in and made sure people were unbanned.

Finding a way for modders to get paid for their work is not in and of itself a bad thing. They just didn't take any of the negatives of this method into consideration before launching it.

Cindy · April 27, 2015, 09:25:48 PM

Quote from: Naoto on April 27, 2015, 09:22:15 PM

Finding a way for modders to get paid for their work is not in and of itself a bad thing.

Oh, I totally agree.

So what about the fact that the modders only made 25% of the income that their mods brought in, and only after $100 total was spent on their mod by the community?

Naoto · April 27, 2015, 09:34:57 PM

Quote from: Saerveyn on April 27, 2015, 09:25:48 PM

Quote from: Naoto on April 27, 2015, 09:22:15 PM
Finding a way for modders to get paid for their work is not in and of itself a bad thing.

Oh, I totally agree.

So what about the fact that the modders only made 25% of the income that their mods brought in, and only after $100 total was spent on their mod by the community?

That was one of the (many) negatives. Supposedly its the current industry standard for paid mods according to Bethesda.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/amid-controversy-bethesda-defends-paid-steam-mods/1100-6426929/

I think they had more issues with copyright, mod ownership, mod requirements, and no contingency for a mod suddenly not working due to update or interference from another mod, etc. The the user would be s.o.l. for the money they would have spent.

Forgewolf · April 27, 2015, 09:44:14 PM

DONATION BUTTON! DAH!

Naoto · April 27, 2015, 09:45:40 PM

Quote from: Forgewolf on April 27, 2015, 09:44:14 PM

DONATION BUTTON! DAH!

Can't take cuts from donations. Though they do nicely avoid copyright issues.

big sponge · April 28, 2015, 12:51:38 AM

We only won the battle. Reread the statement, this war is far from over. Valve thought that the retards that make up the DOTA 2, TF2, and CS:GO communities also populated the Bethesda one and they flat out say that they still think its a good idea that they're going to try again in a different way down the line.

I'd also like to point out that if people had just done the whole "don't complain, vote with your wallet" Valve never would have "reversed" this decision. In a near monopoly you have to scream at the top of your lungs and try and to damage the company by making them spend as much money as you can via spreading the word and keeping up an email flooding campaign.

Valve only retracted this because the money they were having to spend to deal with and counteract this negative publicity far exceeded the amount of money they were making off of stupid people.

big dog · April 28, 2015, 01:52:10 AM

Implementation was horrible, but I'm all for people (like the Falskaar devs) getting a little something for their work.

Magos Domina · April 28, 2015, 01:57:14 AM

Well that's just stupid.

Mattie G Indahouse · April 28, 2015, 05:11:24 AM

If anything there should have just been a donation amount. Paying for mods is just a shitty idea since there's going to be many spam mods just there to make money. Paying 50cents for a sword is no different than that bullshit where you pay $1 for a character skin.

Mattie G Indahouse · April 28, 2015, 05:13:56 AM

Quote from: Ayy Lemönao on April 27, 2015, 06:40:11 PM

Fat man got BTFO

That had to been one hell of a windstorm in order to move his ass.

Big Boss · April 28, 2015, 05:15:21 AM

We did it.

Girl of Mystery · April 28, 2015, 07:39:46 AM

Quote from: Fedorekd on April 28, 2015, 01:52:10 AM

Implementation was horrible, but I'm all for people (like the Falskaar devs) getting a little something for their work.

That's called a donation button

King pesto · April 28, 2015, 09:43:46 AM

I'm glad they went back on it, not glad they seem unrepentant and intend to try again another way.

This had potential, but that potential likely never would have been achieved anyway. People have a way of fucking this stuff up.

Isara · April 28, 2015, 09:48:15 AM

There are pros and cons about the whole ordeal and how actually paid mods could have helped. It just wasn't executed right. You've "won" nothing, nor I accept to give any importance to the venomous masses who harassed other people over this. It's one thing to be civil and express sadness or disagreement, and another to target modders and harass them.

Those people do not deserve mods; they do not deserve any creativity, time and effort of which creating, and supporting a mod does. Just because they are ungrateful, and ready to violently hit anyone who they deem right.

It's not a vocal minority either; but it's a huge mass of people who do not see modders as humans, or probably think it's acceptable to let out their frustration on them.

big dog · April 28, 2015, 09:57:59 AM

Hopefully Valve will implement the system in a better way later on.

Verbatim · April 28, 2015, 10:02:48 AM

Quote from: Isara on April 28, 2015, 09:48:15 AM

Those people do not deserve mods

No one deserves to have their art pissed on, I agree.

Naoto · April 28, 2015, 10:08:48 AM

Quote from: Isara on April 28, 2015, 09:48:15 AM

There are pros and cons about the whole ordeal and how actually paid mods could have helped. It just wasn't executed right. You've "won" nothing, nor I accept to give any importance to the venomous masses who harassed other people over this. It's one thing to be civil and express sadness or disagreement, and another to target modders and harass them.

Those people do not deserve mods; they do not deserve any creativity, time and effort of which creating, and supporting a mod does. Just because they are ungrateful, and ready to violently hit anyone who they deem right.

It's not a vocal minority either; but it's a huge mass of people who do not see modders as humans, or probably think it's acceptable to let out their frustration on them.

I think there being shitty people on the internet is not really news. Death threats are amazingly common and 99% of the time not legitimate. Its almost assuredly a vocal minority since a majority on the internet would be a very large number. Saying its a vocal minority though doesn't make it less of an issue.

I wouldn't cast all modders as being in the same camp either. Since this divided the community into separate camps fairly well.

While I think quite a few people get too wrapped up in the emotion, and don't really think the issue out rationally, I also just don't put much stock in 'people on the internet said mean things'. Since that is always going to be the case. Usually you get better results focusing on better dialogue, and blocking out the shitheads.