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Most of the dialogue is the same though

The changes are what make it shit in comparison.

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and it's not like MGS1 had good animation anyway.

True, but it was still better, and more realistic than Twin Snakes.


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Wish more people played Portable Ops. I'm playing it again on my Vita and it isn't bad

Agreed. It was quite interesting IMO

Welcome back btw

I would say it feels good to be back

But that wouldn't be entirely true

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Wish more people played Portable Ops. I'm playing it again on my Vita and it isn't bad

Agreed. It was quite interesting IMO

Welcome back btw

I would say it feels good to be back

But that wouldn't be entirely true

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But now I'm back and I'm stuck her waiting for MGSV and I don't know what to do with life
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The changes are what make it shit in comparison.
It's basically the same though.
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True, but it was still better, and more realistic than Twin Snakes.
It's better how?
From an objective standpoint, TTS has far better designed and put together animation than MGS1's janky ass animation.

And realism? This is MGS - the franchise full of clones, robotic limbs, cyborg ninjas, giant robots, and a mute that can teleport.


 
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]It's better how?

I suppose the combination of dialogue changes and sub-par voice acting is what makes the changes far more noticeable.

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From an objective standpoint, TTS has far better designed and put together animation than MGS1's janky ass animation.

Yeah...

fuck no.

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Over-the-top =/= better.

Though I can say the walking animations and stuff are much better, but that isn't to the credit of TTS. That's because they're reused from MGS2.

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And realism? This is MGS - the franchise full of clones, robotic limbs, cyborg ninjas, giant robots, and a mute that can teleport.

So? None of those are unrealistic in the Metal Gear Universe. They've spent 25 years setting up an established level of realism and the animations from the cutscenes in TTS don't fit the bill.

This idea of disregarding realism because some aspects aren't realistic in our own world is kind of ridiculous.


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So? None of those are unrealistic in the Metal Gear Universe. They've spent 25 years setting up an established level of realism and the animations from the cutscenes in TTS don't fit the bill.

This idea of disregarding realism because some aspects aren't realistic in our own world is kind of ridiculous.
Irrealism is the word you're looking for. It isn't realistic.



 
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Sure - whatever. You get my point, yes?


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I know MGS isn't exactly the most grounded level of realism there is, but I'm not a fan of Snake ninja flipping over flying rubble...


 
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I get shit like that, but that's like, not even 5% of the game.


 
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Okay but

a lot of fans (the ones you were asking about) don't like TTS because it's worse than the original, but Kojima considers it to be the definitive version, canon-wise. Things like the Gray Fox voice actor and stuff were retconned.

So everything that's wrong in TTS, no matter how small, is unnecessary because MGS original did it better. I mean, it's still good but it's the worse of the two.


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Didn't Kojima say TTS is the equivalent of MGS1's events being retold by someone in-universe or something?


 
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Haven't heard that. But I know in MGS4, the audio used during the flashbacks was from TTS, so. . . take that as you will.


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Dialogue was used because characters accents from MGS1 were retconned in TTS and continued with the TTS accents in MGS4.
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I get shit like that, but that's like, not even 5% of the game.

Yeah that's pretty much my only complaint, apart from that it's fine


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Also the Mantis Hymn is fucking great in TTS.
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In fact I prefer it. Sounds more haunting.


 
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Rope Escape is also quite good from TTS.


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>Gray Fox is faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than the descending foot of a Metal Gear, and has about a decade and a half's worth of experience over Snake
>Snake fistfights him and wins

Sure thing, Kojima.


 
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>Gray Fox is faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than the descending foot of a Metal Gear, and has about a decade and a half's worth of experience over Snake
>Snake fistfights him and wins

Sure thing, Kojima.

nanomachines tho


jk, snake is just far better at CQC than Fox

It's like Captain America. He faces people with superior abilities but he's a martial arts genius and kicks their ass.


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>Gray Fox is faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than the descending foot of a Metal Gear, and has about a decade and a half's worth of experience over Snake
>Snake fistfights him and wins

Sure thing, Kojima.

nanomachines tho


jk, snake is just far better at CQC than Fox

It's like Captain America. He faces people with superior abilities but he's a martial arts genius and kicks their ass.
also because he's a comic book character and logic doesn't really apply to them


 
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