Quote from: Luciana on September 18, 2015, 07:17:26 PM

Quote from: Big Boss on September 18, 2015, 07:17:06 PM

THE FUCK HAPPENED TO MY THREAD

Cipher

Mfw


Why everyone gotta fight

VIOLENCE IS IN THEIR GENES

I'm guessing this was Big Boss' face when he came back and found his thread burning down.

Alright, here we go.

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I started off by saying this

It's a shame because they seem to be the only consistently good games coming out.

I struggle to think of another game that has the same or a similar level of thematic and functional value.

To which Luciana replied:

Oh come on, plenty of good quality games come out. You just gotta look broader.

Somewhat reasonable but I've yet to play any of these "good games." And while TW3 might be good (I do plan on playing it), there aren't any other games that have come out since The Last of Us that I would consider good.

If I don't consider it "good", guess what? It's bad. Deal with it. That doesn't mean you think it's bad. I know how hard a concept such as subjectivity can be for some people.

She then said this:

God, Eliab please just shut up. Your narrow mindedness and fanboyism for MGS is so god damn horrible and clouds your judgement on everything that doesn't have Big Boss's "venom snake" penetrating things.

Kind of uncalled for, all things considered. And not at all funny, which was her intention with that final "venom snake" jab, but that's not relevant.

For the sake of the argument, I will define "fanboy":

One who cannot take the criticism of something that they're a fan of, or cannot see the faults in said something.

Not the best definition but it gets the job done.

I do not identify as a "fanboy". I identify as a fan. I have never shown any incompetency when it comes to the criticism of Metal Gear, and I would argue I'm the franchise's biggest critic on this forum. This also contradicts the second part of the definition, that I'm incapable of "seeing the faults" in Metal Gear.

Now, as for the whole "blindness" or "narrow mindedness", this is just ridiculous.

Metal Gear isn't inhibiting my ability to enjoy games. Metal Gear isn't the reason I think GTA is shit. I think GTA is shit because it is. Metal Gear has nothing to do with it. It's just random words strung together by emotional fuel due to a negative bias towards me and the backlash of my comment about TW3:

Haven't played it.

Doesn't interest me.

Somehow doubt it has the depth of MGSV. I do need to play it, though. If not only to compare.

Notice how I didn't say TW3 was objectively shit, or even just regularly shit? I said it most likely doesn't have the depth of Metal Gear V. Additionally, this doesn't make the game shallow. I don't know anything about the game's depth, but I can wager based on the sheer scope of MGSV's, that it isn't more than that.

Christ, you'd think I wouldn't need to explain this. Moving on to her reply...

This right here is fanboy talk

You don't know if you don't play, and admit it doesn't interest you so already your opinion in it is-

no, why am I even trying. You're just that kind of person.

See what I mean? How she just reacts instinctively instead of with her head?

I clarified above why I don't think TW3 has MGSV's depth. I could be wrong, but I made the safe bet that I wasn't.

I also don't believe that you cannot judge a game without playing it. You can get almost everything out of a game by watching someone else do it. I've tried. And I actually enjoyed seeing someone else tackle a problem I would've tried a different way (admittedly, this is more to do with my fascination with human psychology than it is anything else.) But that's not relevant.

Near the end she becomes dismissive for whatever reason. I won't comment on that.

Moving on.

Really, I think I know how Verb feels now. God damn, I dealt with racist stupidity from my father a little bit ago and then come back to

"I don't like it so it's bad" logic.

Really, you're so fucking retarded. I am usually nice or have some sort of filter, but god damn, you're more biased and blind than Fox News.

1. She has not been able to effectively demonstrate why I'm "stupid", or "biased", nor will she be able to, because I'm not.

2. "Not liking it" and assessing a game as bad are synonymous.

Really it comes down to this:

Most games bore me and are bad (remember, bad is subjective). The exception to that rule, along with a select few others, is Metal Gear.

Therefore I obviously think Metal Gear has the best games in gaming.

It's not that hard to comprehend.

The same way you would throw a hissy fit if someone said MGS "looked bad" or LC saying Quiet's explanation for dressing why she does is a "spoiler" that made you flip shit.

1. Regarding the "hissy fit" accusation: Unverified and will remain that way until the end of time. I have never thrown a hissy fit because someone said MGS was bad or anything. I simply asked why they thought that, and didn't deem their answer as acceptable, so I challenged it.

I mean, if someone said "I just don't enjoy the appeal of MGS's brand of stealth", there's not much I can say to that. But if someone says "The stories are convoluted and nonsensical" I can obviously challenge that with ease.

2. Regarding the Quiet spoiler, this is just completely irrelevant. It has a lot to do with my expectations for the game, and I would have this opinion for any game. I got mad at LC (which I apologised for soon after), for spoiling an aspect of a game that I've been waiting for for 7 years. Sorry, but I'd react that way regarding anything. I don't care what you deem that reaction as. It's about the principle, that's it.

I've acquired enough wisdom in my short life to know it is (Bill) nigh impossible to change the mindset of someone narrow minded and deluded in their own world of facts.

Nowhere did I say that my words are factual.

And I'm not opposite of narrow-minded. I don't know how to justify this in any way other than changing my philosophical beliefs on a dime when new evidence and reason is presented.

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I hope I've cleared things up.

I'm guessing this was Big Boss' face when he came back and found his thread burning down.

I was too late...

Fallout 3 was good, Skyrim still sets a benchmark for modern games, and Fallout 4 looks to be packed with an obscene amount of content. I'm getting pretty sick of these mopey threads talking about how shitty Fallout 3 was supposed to be, how boring Skyrim is (hint: if you're bored in Skyrim, you're a boring fucking person and there's no fixing that), and how supposedly bad Fallout 4 will be.

tbh Skyrim can get boring if you play it for long ass stretches of time, but I would never say it's a boring game.

You posted this after, but there's some things I want to address.

Anyone who's read this with a brain can understand the side I'm coming from. Verb has done it, as has the person (forgive me I forget your name) who actually said Dark Souls sucks.

Where are you coming from? What's your argument? All you seem to be doing is countering my points with "lol Fox News breh" and shit.

They understand perfectly and see how blind of a fanboy you are.

How does thinking games are shit make me a fanboy? How can I fanboy nothing?

There is no point ARGUING with you or "trying to prove you wrong" because you literally dismiss anything that may go against your own beliefs without countering back without so much as a "opinion = discarded" or something asinine like that.

I've literally countered with my beliefs every time because they haven't been challenged in a way that makes me think about them in a different way.

And I only used the "opinion = discarded" thing once, because it's true.

It's the fact you are so dismissive, narrow minded,

I've dismissed you because I don't see a point in listening to you. You haven't proven that you have anything useful to say.

I've already proven that the narrow-minded shtick doesn't work.

full of yourself, and have a whacked up ego,

In reality I probably have the lowest opinion of me in comparison to everybody else.

that I cannot argue with you.

Yeah, blame me for your debating inadequacies.

People like you refuse to ever think for a moment that their opinion may actually be flawed, or, dare I say it, wrong!

"People like me"

How can I be wrong about something that's subjective?

And remember before when you were telling me that I didn't understand subjectivity? Lol, young and stupid amirite

Quote from: Big Boss on September 18, 2015, 07:48:21 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 18, 2015, 07:46:07 PM

Fallout 3 was good, Skyrim still sets a benchmark for modern games, and Fallout 4 looks to be packed with an obscene amount of content. I'm getting pretty sick of these mopey threads talking about how shitty Fallout 3 was supposed to be, how boring Skyrim is (hint: if you're bored in Skyrim, you're a boring fucking person and there's no fixing that), and how supposedly bad Fallout 4 will be.

tbh Skyrim can get boring if you play it for long ass stretches of time, but I would never say it's a boring game.

It's a meme, Sean.

IT'S A MEME!

Are you talking to me or Mr Psy

Quote from: Eliab on September 18, 2015, 07:52:26 PM

Quote from: Big Boss on September 18, 2015, 07:48:21 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 18, 2015, 07:46:07 PM

Fallout 3 was good, Skyrim still sets a benchmark for modern games, and Fallout 4 looks to be packed with an obscene amount of content. I'm getting pretty sick of these mopey threads talking about how shitty Fallout 3 was supposed to be, how boring Skyrim is (hint: if you're bored in Skyrim, you're a boring fucking person and there's no fixing that), and how supposedly bad Fallout 4 will be.

tbh Skyrim can get boring if you play it for long ass stretches of time, but I would never say it's a boring game.

It's a meme, Sean.

IT'S A MEME!

Are you talking to me or Mr Psy

You, Sean.

It's always been you.

I just made plans to go to my friends house to watch him play MGSV.

That'll be interesting.

BUT STARING ACROSS THIS BARREN WASTED THREAD

I FEEL NEW LIFE WILL BE BORN BENEATH THE BLOODSTAINED...THREAD

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Quote from: Luciana on September 18, 2015, 07:17:26 PM

Quote from: Big Boss on September 18, 2015, 07:17:06 PM

THE FUCK HAPPENED TO MY THREAD

Cipher

Mfw


Why everyone gotta fight

VIOLENCE IS IN THEIR GENES

But in the end, it has to be this way.

here standing

STANDING HERE*

I REALIZE

I desynchronize