The game did make me uncomfortable. And right now is not the time to make a game like that. But... I know that censoring it is the wrong thing to do. I think what bothers me most is that the game was advertised as being edgy rather than a fun game.
And right now is not the time to make a game like that.
IIRC one of the lead devs was tied to some Neo-Nazi group, so I'm not exactly crying over the thought of skinheads losing out on money.I could be wrong though <.<
"Censorship"
Quote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:44:03 PM"Censorship"There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts. Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.
Quote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:46:56 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:44:03 PM"Censorship"There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts. Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.
I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game.
Censorship is bad, I'll say that to the day I die, but I mean...what value would the game have0it was the most tryhard piece of dogshit i've ever, ever seen
Quote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:50:16 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:46:56 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:44:03 PM"Censorship"There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts. Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.Then why do they allow Postal?
Quote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:52:05 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:50:16 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:46:56 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:44:03 PM"Censorship"There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts. Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.Then why do they allow Postal? Postal is a COMPLETELY different level, the biggest difference is that it's the cartoony type of gore that is in line with conker's bad fur day, Hatred takes the realistic approach, and advertised that as one of it's main points. In this day and age, games like this are also just a bad influence on gaming in general. The only reason people approve of Postal is because it hams up the hyper gore and makes it funny.
Quote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:50:16 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:46:56 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:44:03 PM"Censorship"There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts. Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.Then why do they allow Postal? How is murdering fake digital civilians in Hatred different than murdering fake digital civilians in GTA?QuoteI think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Should Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it?
Quote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:52:05 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:50:16 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:46:56 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:44:03 PM"Censorship"There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts. Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.Then why do they allow Postal? How is murdering fake digital civilians in Hatred different than murdering fake digital civilians in GTA?QuoteI think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Should Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it?Valve is not a government authority. If they don't want to sell something, there is nothing stopping you from buying it from a different source.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 15, 2014, 06:42:27 PMIIRC one of the lead devs was tied to some Neo-Nazi group, so I'm not exactly crying over the thought of skinheads losing out on money.I could be wrong though <.<Banning games for the political views of one of their devs seems like a mighty slippery slope.
Quote from: Mega Sceptile on December 15, 2014, 06:57:25 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:52:05 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:50:16 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:46:56 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:44:03 PM"Censorship"There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts. Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.Then why do they allow Postal? Postal is a COMPLETELY different level, the biggest difference is that it's the cartoony type of gore that is in line with conker's bad fur day, Hatred takes the realistic approach, and advertised that as one of it's main points. In this day and age, games like this are also just a bad influence on gaming in general. The only reason people approve of Postal is because it hams up the hyper gore and makes it funny.So the games could be exactly the same, but one artstyle/tone is not ok?
Quote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:50:16 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:46:56 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:44:03 PM"Censorship"There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts. Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.Yeah people are totally going to cut business with Valve/Steam because one shitty edgy game is on the market for the few who want it. I can almost guarantee a majority of the people complaining are tumblr blogging retards. If you don't play the game it literally has no effect on you.
Quote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:43:26 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 15, 2014, 06:42:27 PMIIRC one of the lead devs was tied to some Neo-Nazi group, so I'm not exactly crying over the thought of skinheads losing out on money.I could be wrong though <.<Banning games for the political views of one of their devs seems like a mighty slippery slope.I'm not saying that it should be banned because they might be nazis, I'm just saying I'm not crying over lost shekels that would go to their pockets.The game is just bad news for everyone, it's more ammo to the soccer moms association of funkilling for example. And I bet Jack fucking Thompson squealed with delight when he saw the reveal trailer <____<It looks like it will be funny because of how badly they are trying to be edgy with it, but short of cringe factor material there isn't a lot it has going for it.
yes, exactly. The art style and tone of a game are what makes the game funny, or just plain edgy and plain wrong. you can laugh off a moment in postal because of the art style of the game, and how the protagonist constantly pushes out 80's 1 liners. Hatred is TOO realistic for people to be comfortable with, and TOO dark for the general masses. it was advertised as an edgy, dark, realistic mass murder simulator, unlike postal which was advertised as a funny over the top "do what you want" game.
Quote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 07:02:25 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:52:05 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:50:16 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:46:56 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:44:03 PM"Censorship"There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts. Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.Then why do they allow Postal? How is murdering fake digital civilians in Hatred different than murdering fake digital civilians in GTA?QuoteI think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Should Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it?Valve is not a government authority. If they don't want to sell something, there is nothing stopping you from buying it from a different source.Where did I say otherwise?
Should Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it?
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on December 15, 2014, 07:04:20 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:43:26 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 15, 2014, 06:42:27 PMIIRC one of the lead devs was tied to some Neo-Nazi group, so I'm not exactly crying over the thought of skinheads losing out on money.I could be wrong though <.<Banning games for the political views of one of their devs seems like a mighty slippery slope.I'm not saying that it should be banned because they might be nazis, I'm just saying I'm not crying over lost shekels that would go to their pockets.The game is just bad news for everyone, it's more ammo to the soccer moms association of funkilling for example. And I bet Jack fucking Thompson squealed with delight when he saw the reveal trailer <____<It looks like it will be funny because of how badly they are trying to be edgy with it, but short of cringe factor material there isn't a lot it has going for it.Meh I don't disagree with any of this, but I also think pulling it from steam is more ammo for the people trying to get games like GTA pulled from store shelves. I'd rather stay consistent with my views than change them on a game per game basis. Quote from: Mega Sceptile on December 15, 2014, 07:04:40 PM yes, exactly. The art style and tone of a game are what makes the game funny, or just plain edgy and plain wrong. you can laugh off a moment in postal because of the art style of the game, and how the protagonist constantly pushes out 80's 1 liners. Hatred is TOO realistic for people to be comfortable with, and TOO dark for the general masses. it was advertised as an edgy, dark, realistic mass murder simulator, unlike postal which was advertised as a funny over the top "do what you want" game.I disagree.
Quote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 07:03:09 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 07:02:25 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:52:05 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:50:16 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:46:56 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:44:03 PM"Censorship"There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts. Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.Then why do they allow Postal? How is murdering fake digital civilians in Hatred different than murdering fake digital civilians in GTA?QuoteI think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Should Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it?Valve is not a government authority. If they don't want to sell something, there is nothing stopping you from buying it from a different source.Where did I say otherwise?Am I being argumentative? I'm sorry about that >.>But the statement:QuoteShould Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it?Seems to imply that if Steam doesn't sell it, no one is allowed to buy it. It's giving Valve more authority than they have as a business.
Quote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 07:07:54 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 15, 2014, 07:04:20 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:43:26 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on December 15, 2014, 06:42:27 PMIIRC one of the lead devs was tied to some Neo-Nazi group, so I'm not exactly crying over the thought of skinheads losing out on money.I could be wrong though <.<Banning games for the political views of one of their devs seems like a mighty slippery slope.I'm not saying that it should be banned because they might be nazis, I'm just saying I'm not crying over lost shekels that would go to their pockets.The game is just bad news for everyone, it's more ammo to the soccer moms association of funkilling for example. And I bet Jack fucking Thompson squealed with delight when he saw the reveal trailer <____<It looks like it will be funny because of how badly they are trying to be edgy with it, but short of cringe factor material there isn't a lot it has going for it.Meh I don't disagree with any of this, but I also think pulling it from steam is more ammo for the people trying to get games like GTA pulled from store shelves. I'd rather stay consistent with my views than change them on a game per game basis. Quote from: Mega Sceptile on December 15, 2014, 07:04:40 PM yes, exactly. The art style and tone of a game are what makes the game funny, or just plain edgy and plain wrong. you can laugh off a moment in postal because of the art style of the game, and how the protagonist constantly pushes out 80's 1 liners. Hatred is TOO realistic for people to be comfortable with, and TOO dark for the general masses. it was advertised as an edgy, dark, realistic mass murder simulator, unlike postal which was advertised as a funny over the top "do what you want" game.I disagree. well you're wrong. it's an objective fact that the graphics and art style of a game change the feel of a game. for example, try to imagine Conker's Bad Fur Day, remade today without the censoring, and being a realistic game, no cartoon blood, and the music being replaced with generic heavy metal. it's a completely different game when you change an art style and feel of the game.
Quote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 07:08:05 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 07:03:09 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 07:02:25 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:52:05 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:50:16 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:46:56 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:44:03 PM"Censorship"There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts. Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.Then why do they allow Postal? How is murdering fake digital civilians in Hatred different than murdering fake digital civilians in GTA?QuoteI think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Should Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it?Valve is not a government authority. If they don't want to sell something, there is nothing stopping you from buying it from a different source.Where did I say otherwise?Am I being argumentative? I'm sorry about that >.>But the statement:QuoteShould Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it?Seems to imply that if Steam doesn't sell it, no one is allowed to buy it. It's giving Valve more authority than they have as a business.Probably should have phrased that better. Should Valve be deciding what that line is for their customers (as the largest outlet for PC gaming).What's wrong with people who don't like the game not buying it?
Quote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 07:13:16 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 07:08:05 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 07:03:09 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 07:02:25 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:52:05 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:50:16 PMQuote from: Keyu on December 15, 2014, 06:46:56 PMQuote from: Kupo on December 15, 2014, 06:44:03 PM"Censorship"There is nothing in the definition of censorship that suggest it only applies to govts. Steam is censoring it from their software. They have that right. I'm not debating that. I'm debating whether its the right thing to do.I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.Then why do they allow Postal? How is murdering fake digital civilians in Hatred different than murdering fake digital civilians in GTA?QuoteI think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Should Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it?Valve is not a government authority. If they don't want to sell something, there is nothing stopping you from buying it from a different source.Where did I say otherwise?Am I being argumentative? I'm sorry about that >.>But the statement:QuoteShould Valve be deciding what that line is for everyone or can people who don't like the game just not buy it?Seems to imply that if Steam doesn't sell it, no one is allowed to buy it. It's giving Valve more authority than they have as a business.Probably should have phrased that better. Should Valve be deciding what that line is for their customers (as the largest outlet for PC gaming).What's wrong with people who don't like the game not buying it?I don't think it's 'deciding what that line is for their customers' so much as 'what's better for their public image?'This is a game that's inevitably going to be talked about on 24/7 news channels and the like complaining about the alleged 'evils' of video games. Valve (wisely) doesn't want Steam to be part of that discussion.
I think the game very clearly crossed the line of what's acceptable to put in a game. Something in the vein of Manhunt or Super Columbine Massacre RPG. It would be an extremely poor business decision on Valve's part to sell the game on Steam.
If you are fine with this getting pulled I don't see how you could argue against GTA being pulled.
Valve pulls 'Hatred' from Steam Greenlight. | Updated
