To You Mod Haters.

July 06, 2015, 06:44:03 PM

What is the problem when it comes to things like this?

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Ásgeirr · July 06, 2015, 06:47:09 PM

theres one

Verbatim · July 06, 2015, 06:50:12 PM

You mean me?

the only reason why i don't like mods is because you're screwing with someone else's art
even if the devs intended to add more to the game, i think the finished product should stay the finished product

Super Irish · July 06, 2015, 06:59:31 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 06:50:12 PM

You mean me?

the only reason why i don't like mods is because you're screwing with someone else's art
even if the devs intended to add more to the game, i think the finished product should stay the finished product

Would this still apply if it's broken and has no post-release support? (I.e. "Unofficial Patches")

Verbatim · July 06, 2015, 07:03:42 PM

Quote from: SuperIrish on July 06, 2015, 06:59:31 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
You mean me?

the only reason why i don't like mods is because you're screwing with someone else's art
even if the devs intended to add more to the game, i think the finished product should stay the finished product
Would this still apply if it's broken and has no post-release support? (I.e. "Unofficial Patches")

for me, yes

a game that's broken on release is probably not a game worth playing anyway

SecondClass · July 06, 2015, 07:06:25 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 07:03:42 PM

Quote from: SuperIrish on July 06, 2015, 06:59:31 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
You mean me?

the only reason why i don't like mods is because you're screwing with someone else's art
even if the devs intended to add more to the game, i think the finished product should stay the finished product
Would this still apply if it's broken and has no post-release support? (I.e. "Unofficial Patches")
for me, yes

a game that's broken on release is probably not a game worth playing anyway

But it's worth playing if someone fixes it...

I never get your stance on mods, because to me, it's like this: You go to the store and buy a wheelbarrow, but when you get back you notice that it was sold to you with a bad wheel. You already have a spare wheelbarrow wheel, so you replace it, making the original product better. What's so bad about additions? About improvements?

Super Irish · July 06, 2015, 07:14:31 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on July 06, 2015, 07:06:25 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 07:03:42 PM
Quote from: SuperIrish on July 06, 2015, 06:59:31 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
You mean me?

the only reason why i don't like mods is because you're screwing with someone else's art
even if the devs intended to add more to the game, i think the finished product should stay the finished product
Would this still apply if it's broken and has no post-release support? (I.e. "Unofficial Patches")
for me, yes

a game that's broken on release is probably not a game worth playing anyway
But it's worth playing if someone fixes it...

I never get your stance on mods, because to me, it's like this: You go to the store and buy a wheelbarrow, but when you get back you notice that it was sold to you with a bad wheel. You already have a spare wheelbarrow wheel, so you replace it, making the original product better. What's so bad about additions? About improvements?

I see it like an old or partially unfinished painting being restored.

But then as Verb says, a half arsed product is not really worth buying.

July 06, 2015, 07:14:34 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 06:50:12 PM

You mean me?

the only reason why i don't like mods is because you're screwing with someone else's art
even if the devs intended to add more to the game, i think the finished product should stay the finished product

Except the devs allowed this to happen, and even supported Halo: Custom Edition.

SecondClass · July 06, 2015, 07:16:38 PM

Quote from: SuperIrish on July 06, 2015, 07:14:31 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on July 06, 2015, 07:06:25 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 07:03:42 PM
Quote from: SuperIrish on July 06, 2015, 06:59:31 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
You mean me?

the only reason why i don't like mods is because you're screwing with someone else's art
even if the devs intended to add more to the game, i think the finished product should stay the finished product
Would this still apply if it's broken and has no post-release support? (I.e. "Unofficial Patches")
for me, yes

a game that's broken on release is probably not a game worth playing anyway
But it's worth playing if someone fixes it...

I never get your stance on mods, because to me, it's like this: You go to the store and buy a wheelbarrow, but when you get back you notice that it was sold to you with a bad wheel. You already have a spare wheelbarrow wheel, so you replace it, making the original product better. What's so bad about additions? About improvements?

I see it like an old or partially unfinished painting being restored.

But then as Verb says, a half arsed product is not really worth buying.

But if you restore an old painting, it ruins it for everyone. There are unlimited possible copies to a video game, choosing to mod yours only affects you.

Verbatim · July 06, 2015, 07:19:23 PM

Quote from: Vien on July 06, 2015, 07:14:34 PM

Except the devs allowed this to happen, and even supported Halo: Custom Edition.

officially endorsed mods, i have no problem with
i don't agree with their decision, but if the devs support it, i guess i can't say anything

if i were a dev, i would never endorse any mods, ever

God · July 06, 2015, 07:23:33 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 06:50:12 PM

the only reason why i don't like mods is because you're screwing with someone else's art

This would only make sense to me if the original was somehow made unavailable or if the artist didn't provide support for it.

July 06, 2015, 07:24:27 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 07:19:23 PM

Quote from: Vien on July 06, 2015, 07:14:34 PM
Except the devs allowed this to happen, and even supported Halo: Custom Edition.
officially endorsed mods, i have no problem with
i don't agree with their decision, but if the devs support it, i guess i can't say anything

if i were a dev, i would never endorse any mods, ever

Well, Custom Edition was a free addition for PC. They allowed anyone to mod it.

Super Irish · July 06, 2015, 07:26:18 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on July 06, 2015, 07:16:38 PM

Quote from: SuperIrish on July 06, 2015, 07:14:31 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on July 06, 2015, 07:06:25 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 07:03:42 PM
Quote from: SuperIrish on July 06, 2015, 06:59:31 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
You mean me?

the only reason why i don't like mods is because you're screwing with someone else's art
even if the devs intended to add more to the game, i think the finished product should stay the finished product
Would this still apply if it's broken and has no post-release support? (I.e. "Unofficial Patches")
for me, yes

a game that's broken on release is probably not a game worth playing anyway
But it's worth playing if someone fixes it...

I never get your stance on mods, because to me, it's like this: You go to the store and buy a wheelbarrow, but when you get back you notice that it was sold to you with a bad wheel. You already have a spare wheelbarrow wheel, so you replace it, making the original product better. What's so bad about additions? About improvements?

I see it like an old or partially unfinished painting being restored.

But then as Verb says, a half arsed product is not really worth buying.
But if you restore an old painting, it ruins it for everyone. There are unlimited possible copies to a video game, choosing to mod yours only affects you.

That's true. I'm not against modding, you know.

Verbatim · July 06, 2015, 07:32:09 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on July 06, 2015, 07:06:25 PM

I never get your stance on mods, because to me, it's like this: You go to the store and buy a wheelbarrow, but when you get back you notice that it was sold to you with a bad wheel. You already have a spare wheelbarrow wheel, so you replace it, making the original product better. What's so bad about additions? About improvements?

i don't like your example because wheelbarrows aren't exactly art--at least, certainly not in the same way that a video game is

there's nothing wrong with improving things--and if you want to mod games, i'm not going to stop you
i would just never do it, because i think of it as an insult

"oh, your game's okay, but it would be a lot better if i added a bunch of retarded/unnecessary crap in it"
i just prefer to appreciate the game how it is, and experience it as intended

Mattie G Indahouse · July 06, 2015, 07:49:49 PM

If only Halo CEA was something like that.

Tyger · July 06, 2015, 07:53:55 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on July 06, 2015, 07:06:25 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 07:03:42 PM
Quote from: SuperIrish on July 06, 2015, 06:59:31 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
You mean me?

the only reason why i don't like mods is because you're screwing with someone else's art
even if the devs intended to add more to the game, i think the finished product should stay the finished product
Would this still apply if it's broken and has no post-release support? (I.e. "Unofficial Patches")
for me, yes

a game that's broken on release is probably not a game worth playing anyway
But it's worth playing if someone fixes it...

I never get your stance on mods, because to me, it's like this: You go to the store and buy a wheelbarrow, but when you get back you notice that it was sold to you with a bad wheel. You already have a spare wheelbarrow wheel, so you replace it, making the original product better. What's so bad about additions? About improvements?

personally I think that's a stupid analogy

I would return the wheelbarrow as to not give the company/store that sold me a shit wheelbarrow any money

I shouldn't HAVE to fix it myself

Verbatim · July 06, 2015, 08:01:29 PM

^
also a good point

thepanzieman · July 06, 2015, 08:14:05 PM

there are people who don't like mods?

Rinev · July 06, 2015, 08:19:52 PM

As stated before by others here, modding to fix bugs is kind of stupid, the devs should fix those. If a game is unplayable without the use of mods I don't think it's worth playing.

On the other hand, modding to add content/update the graphics seems perfectly fine to me. It's not like you are changing the art in an irreversible way or taking away from the appreciation you have of it. You're simply adding a twist to it, similar to song covers.

Verbatim · July 06, 2015, 08:20:00 PM

Quote from: thepanzieman on July 06, 2015, 08:14:05 PM

there are people who don't like mods?

yes

thepanzieman · July 06, 2015, 08:23:27 PM

I see nothing wrong with enjoying a game once and then throwing stuff in to mix things up.

skyrim is a perfect example, apart from combat it was a good game, but with mods it's an excellent game.

Tyger · July 06, 2015, 10:05:25 PM

I'm not anti mod I just don't believe in mods that fix bugs or graphics. The dev should have done that in the first place

Solonoid · July 06, 2015, 10:31:57 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 06:50:12 PM

You mean me?

the only reason why i don't like mods is because you're screwing with someone else's art
even if the devs intended to add more to the game, i think the finished product should stay the finished product

I like expansion type mods and performance mods pretty much exclusively.

Pretty much I just improve player model skeletons and the graphics in general, and after that there's a whole other experience waiting to be had, a whole other work of art made by independent developers.

Like the Wheels of Lull mod for Skyrim, which is practically another game.

If you don't approve of mods like that, then there's a fuck ton of games that wouldn't exist today if you had your say.
Counter-Strike is one of the most notable.

But I mean, if you just want rocket boots in Halo, there's a reason they weren't in the base game yeah...

Verbatim · July 06, 2015, 10:44:09 PM

i could live if another generic FPS game didn't exist

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Solonoid · July 06, 2015, 11:33:53 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 06, 2015, 10:44:09 PM

i could live if another generic FPS game didn't exist

It was one of the most important and revolutionary FPS games of all time!

And that completely fails to address the idea that a game can be used as a base for an entirely new experience that isn't part of the original game.

I get why you wouldn't want to add weird shit to a game, but there's a side to modding that's essentially people sharing their own games on an open source platform.

A lot of the best developers in the industry start as modders, and supporting new talent is important to me as someone who cares about this industry.

In all, you shouldn't expansionary mods "defacement" of someone else's art.

Think of it as a second statue made of marble from the same quarry as the David.

Naru · July 07, 2015, 04:58:34 AM

I feel like I'm the only one who understands why verby dislike mods.

big dog · July 07, 2015, 05:20:25 AM

I'm not a fan of mods, particularly. I prefer to stick with the base game.

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Rinev · July 07, 2015, 12:13:21 PM

Quote from: Totes not Naru or Gasai on July 07, 2015, 04:58:34 AM

I feel like I'm the only one who understands why verby dislike mods.

I think that quite a few of us understand the position, we just don't entirely agree with it.