Yes, but the component that allows me to adjust what I can "fucking see, with my eyeballs, on the screen" is sometimes in an .exe separate from the game itself, and sometimes it's not even that, but is a text file that I have to edit manually.  That would make it an edit to a game done from outside, or *pulls sunglasses* a mod.

Well, then I would just make the argument that you shouldn't have to do that. I don't play on PC, so I can't sympathize with having to do that.

But why not let the developers decide whether or not they consider it "pissing on their art"?  Why are you insulted on their behalf?  If they're giving out the tools to the public, I doubt they see it that way.

Who isn't letting them? I've expressed the exact opposite sentiment. I said, yeah, I don't care if the developers don't consider it to be pissing on their art. I disagree with them.

It's also pretty snobbish, and just plain wrong, to believe that your own creation is infallible, and to believe that no one is better at your job than you.

That's not the point. I don't think my creations are infallible, or that no one can do the job better than I can. But that doesn't change the fact that I'd still take it offensively, because regardless of who can do the job better, it's still my piece of work.

Quote from: Cocos on March 31, 2015, 05:13:00 PM

So would you say people piss all over Halo whenever they use Forge mode, in order to make maps that are better than the vanilla ones?

No, because Forge is an actual part of the game.

It's still the same concept. Bungie gave us the ability with Forge to modify the maps. Adding tanks to a map that doesn't have them is no different than adding vehicles or weapons to a game that doesn't have them. Bungie giving Halo Forge is no different than Bethesda having the constriction sets for the Elder Scrolls to mod them.   

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 31, 2015, 02:18:05 PM

So, my question is. If somebody is inspired enough to put that effort in to mod a game, whether it be for something simple, or whether it's really thorough and well done.

What's wrong with that?

some graffiti art takes a lot of time and effort to make, and the end result is often beautiful

but it's still graffiti--it's vandalism

it's a little more acceptable for video games in the sense that everyone is entitled to use their own copy of the game for whatever purpose they choose

i'm just saying that i don't personally approve of it
if i was a game developer, and people were putting shit into my game that wasn't intended to be there, i would be offended

because they're not playing the game how i intended it to be played--they're ruining my art for their own entertainment

That's fair. Although technically you could spin it around another way. I mean think about it this way. Out of all the games out there, somebody chose to use your game engine. They chose to use your engine and what you made as the groundwork for their own idea.

Rather than be insulting, wouldn't that actually be somewhat honorary to you? Because usually, there's a lot of games and their respective sandboxes to choose from. Having somebody to pick yours, your groundwork, your framework, and build off of that.

To me that seems something to be proud of. That you've made something that somebody looked at from a differnt angle and modified. They were inspired to make something else from what you gave them.

And of course. Here's the real key thing.

Your game, your art, is still there. Technically, yes you could say that a mod is vandilism on a finished game. But that's the thing. There never just is, one copy of the game. Never one singular copy owned by only one person in the entire world that's overwritten.

Just like graffitti on train cars. Graffitti is never cleaned off train cars in my province. Know why? Because there's millions of other train cars out there. There are, standard, regular old train cars all over the place. Now, if there was only one train car left in existance, and somebody came up and sprayed the living hell out of it, then you could argue that it was an expressly shitty thing to do because you did that to the one, and only source.

Not forcing you to agree here or anything. I mean I myself don't particularily enjoy most mods either. They can crash your game and yadda yadda yadda. Too much hassle to instal when you could just play what works fine already.

But you can't neccessarily forget about the postitive side of the coin here either.

God why do you guys care.

God why do you guys care.

HE DIDN'T SIG HIS POST

To give a clear cut example as clear as day the reason I started anything in this thread, the reason why I started talking, was because you presented an opposing viewpoint to mine. I automatically jumped in to reinforce and defend my established way of looking at things without even really thinking about it.

I didn't say, oh well shit he's wrong. I just said, hey, let's try and show the other side of things here and change that percieved as negative attitude.

And it's the reason why you reply back because my established way of doing things is impeding on your own conformity.

The fact is, people aren't very comfortable when you challenge what they're comfortable with knowing all their life. Even if you're non harmful about it.

Verbatim literally has the worst view on everything

Not quite. You know what the worst view regarding games would be?

Not playing them. Tossing them and all of their content off as nothing but pure garbage and continually trying to convince people to get rid of them.

And the worst part of it?

It's a fair standpoint. Not the garbage aspect of course. But that games can be an immense waste of time. Making it an extremely hard pressed argument to counter against because logically speaking, you could always actually accomplish something in the time that you spend playing games.

That my friend, is arguably the worst viewpoint here.

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 31, 2015, 07:32:05 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 31, 2015, 07:24:19 PM

Verbatim literally has the worst view on everything

Not quite. You know what the worst view regarding games would be?

Not playing them. Tossing them and all of their content off as nothing but pure garbage and continually trying to convince people to get rid of them.

And the worst part of it?

It's a fair standpoint. Not the garbage aspect of course. But that games can be an immense waste of time. Making it an extremely hard pressed argument to counter against because logically speaking, you could always actually accomplish something in the time that you spend playing games.

That my friend, is arguably the worst viewpoint here.

^{shut up}

Verb!

Get the camera I'm challenging his conformity!

He's retaliating!

Quote from: ねこ on March 31, 2015, 03:24:47 AM

Quote from: Camnator on March 31, 2015, 12:32:22 AM

so is your strange obsession with me

Ayyy Lmfao

I only have three obsessions: Halo, Booty and astronomy.

Why hello booty

*sips tea*

Spoiler

The mod is called, "Eridanus Insurrection." It's UNSCS vs Insurrectionists. No Spartans, no Covenant. This is about the insurrection before. So Marines, ODSTS, Insurrectionists, and Colonial Militia.

So far, the mod features:
Assault Rifle
Battle Rifle
Magnum
SMG
Shotgun
Rocket Launcher
Unarmed Warthog
Chaingun warthog
Transport Hog
Gausshog
Pelican
ODST Drop Pod with working displays showing landing zone and teammates
Highly detailed UNSC and ODST clothing and armor
Working Visr for ODSTs that will increase low light vision
Sweet William Cigars
Detailed clothing and body armor for Insurrectionists

Planned to have a fucking UNSC Frigate...

What's there is awesome. The weapons feel great. The sounds are great. The Models are great. All of this and the mod is still in fucking Alpha for god's sake.

Arma 3 mods, woop woop.

Quote from: Kernel Kraut on March 30, 2015, 11:46:34 PM

Spoiler

The mod is called, "Eridanus Insurrection." It's UNSCS vs Insurrectionists. No Spartans, no Covenant. This is about the insurrection before. So Marines, ODSTS, Insurrectionists, and Colonial Militia.

So far, the mod features:
Assault Rifle
Battle Rifle
Magnum
SMG
Shotgun
Rocket Launcher
Unarmed Warthog
Chaingun warthog
Transport Hog
Gausshog
Pelican
ODST Drop Pod with working displays showing landing zone and teammates
Highly detailed UNSC and ODST clothing and armor
Working Visr for ODSTs that will increase low light vision
Sweet William Cigars
Detailed clothing and body armor for Insurrectionists

Planned to have a fucking UNSC Frigate...

What's there is awesome. The weapons feel great. The sounds are great. The Models are great. All of this and the mod is still in fucking Alpha for god's sake.

Arma 3 mods, woop woop.

It's dead jim.

Hey Verb!
How does this make you feel?

*Verb needs an oil change*

"WELL I GUESS I NEED TO BUY A NEW CAR BECAUSE IF THE DESIGNERS INTENDED FOR IT TO HAVE MORE OIL IT'D HAVE MORE."

oh my god

i think you've done it

you've come up with the shittiest possible analogy

Quote from: Revan | BrenMan 94 on April 29, 2015, 09:27:56 PM

*Verb needs an oil change*

"WELL I GUESS I NEED TO BUY A NEW CAR BECAUSE IF THE DESIGNERS INTENDED FOR IT TO HAVE MORE OIL IT'D HAVE MORE."

oh my god

i think you've done it

you've come up with the shittiest possible analogy

Which perfectly describes you.

*sips tea*