Quote from: EnderWolf1013 on March 31, 2015, 06:11:06 PMBut my point is that modding can make a bad game good for PC users.That's the problem. Part of it that I see, anyway. By continually using mods, you're sending the message to game developers that they don't HAVE to put in any work to make the game enjoyable--the community will do it for you.That is FUCKING bullshit.
But my point is that modding can make a bad game good for PC users.
Yes, but the component that allows me to adjust what I can "fucking see, with my eyeballs, on the screen" is sometimes in an .exe separate from the game itself, and sometimes it's not even that, but is a text file that I have to edit manually. That would make it an edit to a game done from outside, or *pulls sunglasses* a mod.
But why not let the developers decide whether or not they consider it "pissing on their art"? Why are you insulted on their behalf? If they're giving out the tools to the public, I doubt they see it that way.
It's also pretty snobbish, and just plain wrong, to believe that your own creation is infallible, and to believe that no one is better at your job than you.
Skipping all of the arguing since I only read the first page of Verb's thing, I can agree with him (as I have before) about mods and what not. A game like Skyrim for example. I think they left modding available to make dungeons, but obviously people had to do far more to make the game better by itself (better mechanics, final boss fight, etc). Hell, even in one update Bethesda took the best mods and threw em in an update. That's just the devs failing to think of it on their own and probably not pay the people who MADE it better.That being said, if a game takes that Minecraft or Halo Sandbox (forgive me for the bad analogy) approach and offers you a game that is GOOD (Arma on its own is good, people), but leaves the tools for people to do their COMPLETE own thing? I say why not? Let the community come up with witty ideas that are completely different and embrace that community.The difference is, for the Skyrim example, they needed mods just to make their game more playable, or fix mechanics (PC port anyone)?Where as ARMA has a game that is solid, well developed, and fun, but offers people the tools to do a complete new game at the same time.I dunno if that makes sense. I'm just saying that instantly saying Mods are bad (Verb), and people shouting that people who DON'T support/disagree with mods are wrong (everyone else), is a little too black and white to me. There is a way it is handled that makes it different in my eyes.
Quote from: Cocos on March 31, 2015, 05:13:00 PMSo would you say people piss all over Halo whenever they use Forge mode, in order to make maps that are better than the vanilla ones?No, because Forge is an actual part of the game.
So would you say people piss all over Halo whenever they use Forge mode, in order to make maps that are better than the vanilla ones?
Quote from: Sandtrap on March 31, 2015, 02:18:05 PMSo, my question is. If somebody is inspired enough to put that effort in to mod a game, whether it be for something simple, or whether it's really thorough and well done.What's wrong with that?some graffiti art takes a lot of time and effort to make, and the end result is often beautifulbut it's still graffiti--it's vandalismit's a little more acceptable for video games in the sense that everyone is entitled to use their own copy of the game for whatever purpose they choosei'm just saying that i don't personally approve of itif i was a game developer, and people were putting shit into my game that wasn't intended to be there, i would be offendedbecause they're not playing the game how i intended it to be played--they're ruining my art for their own entertainment
So, my question is. If somebody is inspired enough to put that effort in to mod a game, whether it be for something simple, or whether it's really thorough and well done.What's wrong with that?
That's fair. Although technically you could spin it around another way. I mean think about it this way. Out of all the games out there, somebody chose to use your game engine. They chose to use your engine and what you made as the groundwork for their own idea.Rather than be insulting, wouldn't that actually be somewhat honorary to you? Because usually, there's a lot of games and their respective sandboxes to choose from. Having somebody to pick yours, your groundwork, your framework, and build off of that.To me that seems something to be proud of. That you've made something that somebody looked at from a differnt angle and modified. They were inspired to make something else from what you gave them.
i just never understand why, and that's frustrating
God why do you guys care.
God why do you guys care.*sips tea*
Verbatim literally has the worst view on everything
Quote from: BritishLemön on March 31, 2015, 07:24:19 PMVerbatim literally has the worst view on everythingNot quite. You know what the worst view regarding games would be?Not playing them. Tossing them and all of their content off as nothing but pure garbage and continually trying to convince people to get rid of them.And the worst part of it?It's a fair standpoint. Not the garbage aspect of course. But that games can be an immense waste of time. Making it an extremely hard pressed argument to counter against because logically speaking, you could always actually accomplish something in the time that you spend playing games.That my friend, is arguably the worst viewpoint here.
Quote from: Sandtrap on March 31, 2015, 07:32:05 PMQuote from: BritishLemön on March 31, 2015, 07:24:19 PMVerbatim literally has the worst view on everythingNot quite. You know what the worst view regarding games would be?Not playing them. Tossing them and all of their content off as nothing but pure garbage and continually trying to convince people to get rid of them.And the worst part of it?It's a fair standpoint. Not the garbage aspect of course. But that games can be an immense waste of time. Making it an extremely hard pressed argument to counter against because logically speaking, you could always actually accomplish something in the time that you spend playing games.That my friend, is arguably the worst viewpoint here.shut up
Quote from: ねこ on March 31, 2015, 03:24:47 AMQuote from: Camnator on March 31, 2015, 12:32:22 AMso is your strange obsession with meAyyy LmfaoI only have three obsessions: Halo, Booty and astronomy.
Quote from: Camnator on March 31, 2015, 12:32:22 AMso is your strange obsession with meAyyy Lmfao
so is your strange obsession with me
Spoiler The mod is called, "Eridanus Insurrection." It's UNSCS vs Insurrectionists. No Spartans, no Covenant. This is about the insurrection before. So Marines, ODSTS, Insurrectionists, and Colonial Militia. So far, the mod features:Assault RifleBattle RifleMagnumSMGShotgunRocket LauncherUnarmed WarthogChaingun warthogTransport HogGausshogPelicanODST Drop Pod with working displays showing landing zone and teammatesHighly detailed UNSC and ODST clothing and armorWorking Visr for ODSTs that will increase low light visionSweet William Cigars Detailed clothing and body armor for InsurrectionistsPlanned to have a fucking UNSC Frigate... What's there is awesome. The weapons feel great. The sounds are great. The Models are great. All of this and the mod is still in fucking Alpha for god's sake.
Quote from: Kernel Kraut on March 30, 2015, 11:46:34 PMSpoiler The mod is called, "Eridanus Insurrection." It's UNSCS vs Insurrectionists. No Spartans, no Covenant. This is about the insurrection before. So Marines, ODSTS, Insurrectionists, and Colonial Militia. So far, the mod features:Assault RifleBattle RifleMagnumSMGShotgunRocket LauncherUnarmed WarthogChaingun warthogTransport HogGausshogPelicanODST Drop Pod with working displays showing landing zone and teammatesHighly detailed UNSC and ODST clothing and armorWorking Visr for ODSTs that will increase low light visionSweet William Cigars Detailed clothing and body armor for InsurrectionistsPlanned to have a fucking UNSC Frigate... What's there is awesome. The weapons feel great. The sounds are great. The Models are great. All of this and the mod is still in fucking Alpha for god's sake. Arma 3 mods, woop woop.
Quote from: Verbatim on March 31, 2015, 12:01:27 AMThat just means the developers are idiots.but look at this beautiful, dedicated community they have germinated.. Spoiler
That just means the developers are idiots.
*Verb needs an oil change*"WELL I GUESS I NEED TO BUY A NEW CAR BECAUSE IF THE DESIGNERS INTENDED FOR IT TO HAVE MORE OIL IT'D HAVE MORE."
Quote from: Revan | BrenMan 94 on April 29, 2015, 09:27:56 PM*Verb needs an oil change*"WELL I GUESS I NEED TO BUY A NEW CAR BECAUSE IF THE DESIGNERS INTENDED FOR IT TO HAVE MORE OIL IT'D HAVE MORE."oh my godi think you've done ityou've come up with the shittiest possible analogy
This is why Mods are the best thing to happen to gaming.
