The World Video Game Hall of Fame - 2016 Inductees Announced

Blazed Iron · June 05, 2015, 01:18:14 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 05, 2015, 12:11:43 PM

Quote from: Blaze on June 05, 2015, 10:36:24 AM
Quake inspired a lot of other games. And where is Sonic?
Doom was Quake's spiritual predecessor, was it not?

And Sonic definitely doesn't belong up there. At least not for now. Sure, he was more popular than Mario for a short period, but he never really did anything revolutionary or important (that I recall). It was just a relatively simple platforming game on a console that was advertised really well.

You are correct, my apologies.

Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 01:41:23 PM

you don't have to apologize

Anyway, depending on how often this thing is updated (I don't know if this is gonna be annual or what), I'm gonna be keeping a close eye on it, because these sorts of things fascinate me, no matter how frivolous or meaningless they are.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · June 05, 2015, 03:36:19 PM

Quote from: Flee on June 05, 2015, 02:19:18 AM

Seems like a good list so far. Would've also expected Quake I to make an appearance.

A great game, but it didn't leave quite enough of a lasting impact to make the list.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · June 05, 2015, 03:38:10 PM

Does it list the reason why LoZ didn't make the list? I'm curious of why not.

Jono · June 05, 2015, 03:42:39 PM

Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:38:10 PM

Does it list the reason why LoZ didn't make the list? I'm curious of why not.

The fact that they were going to possibly add FIFA and Angry Birds over Zelda is just insulting

Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 03:42:50 PM

Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:38:10 PM

Does it list the reason why LoZ didn't make the list? I'm curious of why not.

*shrug*

All we can infer is that it simply didn't get enough votes. It'll be up there eventually.

"Final selections will be made on the advice of journalists, scholars, and other individuals familiar with the history of video games and their role in society."

Miia · June 05, 2015, 03:48:05 PM

I'm okay with this existing.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · June 05, 2015, 03:48:06 PM

Quote from: Jono on June 05, 2015, 03:42:39 PM

Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:38:10 PM
Does it list the reason why LoZ didn't make the list? I'm curious of why not.
The fact that they were going to possibly add FIFA and Angry Birds over Zelda is just insulting

I don't understand what FIFA did differently from NFL, NHL, NBA, etc. It's just another sports game. Angry Birds was a rip-off of an older Newgrounds game that got lucky.

Zelda is THE original adventure game, like Wolfenstein 3D is the original FPS.

Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 03:51:04 PM

Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:48:06 PM

I don't understand what FIFA did differently from NFL, NHL, NBA, etc. It's just another sports game. Angry Birds was a rip-off of an older Newgrounds game that got lucky.

Zelda is THE original adventure game, like Wolfenstein 3D is the original FPS.

Perhaps they didn't want to give Nintendo double representation (even though they probably deserve it).

Girl of Mystery · June 05, 2015, 03:53:12 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 05, 2015, 03:51:04 PM

Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:48:06 PM
I don't understand what FIFA did differently from NFL, NHL, NBA, etc. It's just another sports game. Angry Birds was a rip-off of an older Newgrounds game that got lucky.

Zelda is THE original adventure game, like Wolfenstein 3D is the original FPS.
Perhaps they didn't want to give Nintendo double representation (even though they probably deserve it).

That's pretty dumb if that's the case. Dev/publisher shouldn't matter for this list

Tyger · June 05, 2015, 03:54:08 PM

Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:48:06 PM

Quote from: Jono on June 05, 2015, 03:42:39 PM
Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:38:10 PM
Does it list the reason why LoZ didn't make the list? I'm curious of why not.
The fact that they were going to possibly add FIFA and Angry Birds over Zelda is just insulting
I don't understand what FIFA did differently from NFL, NHL, NBA, etc. It's just another sports game. Angry Birds was a rip-off of an older Newgrounds game that got lucky.

Zelda is THE original adventure game, like Wolfenstein 3D is the original FPS.

look at the sales numbers of Fifa and then look at the sales numbers of madden and nhl

🍁 Aria 🔮 · June 05, 2015, 03:54:19 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 05, 2015, 03:51:04 PM

Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:48:06 PM
I don't understand what FIFA did differently from NFL, NHL, NBA, etc. It's just another sports game. Angry Birds was a rip-off of an older Newgrounds game that got lucky.

Zelda is THE original adventure game, like Wolfenstein 3D is the original FPS.
Perhaps they didn't want to give Nintendo double representation (even though they probably deserve it).

I mean, if you originated the fire and the wheel...

🍁 Aria 🔮 · June 05, 2015, 03:54:59 PM

Quote from: Tyger on June 05, 2015, 03:54:08 PM

Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: Jono on June 05, 2015, 03:42:39 PM
Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:38:10 PM
Does it list the reason why LoZ didn't make the list? I'm curious of why not.
The fact that they were going to possibly add FIFA and Angry Birds over Zelda is just insulting
I don't understand what FIFA did differently from NFL, NHL, NBA, etc. It's just another sports game. Angry Birds was a rip-off of an older Newgrounds game that got lucky.

Zelda is THE original adventure game, like Wolfenstein 3D is the original FPS.
look at the sales numbers of Fifa and then look at the sales numbers of madden and nhl

Oh, so you're saying Call of Duty should be in the hall of fame. Or Candy Crush. Or Angry Birds.

Girl of Mystery · June 05, 2015, 03:55:58 PM

Quote from: Tyger on June 05, 2015, 03:54:08 PM

Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: Jono on June 05, 2015, 03:42:39 PM
Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:38:10 PM
Does it list the reason why LoZ didn't make the list? I'm curious of why not.
The fact that they were going to possibly add FIFA and Angry Birds over Zelda is just insulting
I don't understand what FIFA did differently from NFL, NHL, NBA, etc. It's just another sports game. Angry Birds was a rip-off of an older Newgrounds game that got lucky.

Zelda is THE original adventure game, like Wolfenstein 3D is the original FPS.
look at the sales numbers of Fifa and then look at the sales numbers of madden and nhl

how do sales matter here?

Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 03:56:12 PM

Quote from: Tyger on June 05, 2015, 03:54:08 PM

look at the sales numbers of Fifa and then look at the sales numbers of madden and nhl

yeah but can we not base this list on sales performance, please

that's what wikipedia articles are for--we don't need a hall of fame for that

they actually have their criteria on the nomination page
updated the OP with them

Korra · June 05, 2015, 04:43:53 PM

Quake II, Return to Castle Wolfeinstein, Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, Street Fighter II: The World Warrior

Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 04:49:49 PM

Quote from: Queen Isabel I on June 05, 2015, 04:43:53 PM

Quake II, Return to Castle Wolfeinstein, Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, Street Fighter II: The World Warrior

Pac-Man's there. I, too, await Street Fighter II's presence.

Any reason for Quake II over Quake I?

Korra · June 05, 2015, 04:50:53 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 05, 2015, 04:49:49 PM

Quote from: Queen Isabel I on June 05, 2015, 04:43:53 PM
Quake II, Return to Castle Wolfeinstein, Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, Street Fighter II: The World Warrior
Pac-Man's there. I, too, await Street Fighter II's presence.

Any reason for Quake II over Quake I?

I just liked Quake II better :3

Sprungli · June 05, 2015, 04:59:44 PM

I can't understand WoW over Space Invaders and as to how DOOM beat out Wolfenstein 3D

Verbatim · June 05, 2015, 05:07:36 PM

I can understand Space Invaders not making it, honestly. They got Pong, they got Tetris, they got Pac-Man.

That's three arcade games, and all of them were far more iconic and influential than that game. Maybe next time.

As for Doom, it was simply bigger and better than Wolfenstein.
It's the game most people think about when you think "early FPS".

Mattie G Indahouse · June 05, 2015, 07:40:53 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 05, 2015, 12:46:37 AM

Quote from: Jono on June 05, 2015, 12:42:55 AM
Grand Theft Auto 3 or San Andreas should be in there
I feel like Vice City never gets any love. It's my favorite GTA (then again, I'm not a GTA fan).

I do love the 80's atmosphere RockStar did with that game. To make it even better they even made up their own band which is Love Fist that has a few songs to it.

R o c k e t · June 06, 2015, 03:15:50 AM

Legend of Zelda, I'm actually shocked it didn't make it.

I'm sure it'll get in eventually. Heck, most of Miyamoto's Franchises will end up there.

Deleted · June 06, 2015, 03:22:52 AM

Gaylo (More specificaly CE and 2) and DOTA probably belong there and there's no reason LoZ didnt make it. I call shenanagans. You know what so does CoD, say what you will about the newwer games, you cannot deny the impact it has had especialy since the first Modern Warfare

SecondClass · June 06, 2015, 03:50:41 AM

How the fuck did the Final Fantasy series not end up on there? It's as iconic as you can get.

Verbatim · June 06, 2015, 03:59:07 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 06, 2015, 03:50:41 AM

How the fuck did the Final Fantasy series not end up on there? It's as iconic as you can get.

It'll get up there eventually. I wouldn't put it before any of the games currently inducted, though.

Flee · June 06, 2015, 06:17:21 AM

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Tyger · June 06, 2015, 09:07:23 AM

Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:54:59 PM

Quote from: Tyger on June 05, 2015, 03:54:08 PM
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Quote from: Jono on June 05, 2015, 03:42:39 PM
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Does it list the reason why LoZ didn't make the list? I'm curious of why not.
The fact that they were going to possibly add FIFA and Angry Birds over Zelda is just insulting
I don't understand what FIFA did differently from NFL, NHL, NBA, etc. It's just another sports game. Angry Birds was a rip-off of an older Newgrounds game that got lucky.

Zelda is THE original adventure game, like Wolfenstein 3D is the original FPS.
look at the sales numbers of Fifa and then look at the sales numbers of madden and nhl
Oh, so you're saying Call of Duty should be in the hall of fame. Or Candy Crush. Or Angry Birds.

Quote from: Lemön on June 05, 2015, 03:55:58 PM

Quote from: Tyger on June 05, 2015, 03:54:08 PM
Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:48:06 PM
Quote from: Jono on June 05, 2015, 03:42:39 PM
Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:38:10 PM
Does it list the reason why LoZ didn't make the list? I'm curious of why not.
The fact that they were going to possibly add FIFA and Angry Birds over Zelda is just insulting
I don't understand what FIFA did differently from NFL, NHL, NBA, etc. It's just another sports game. Angry Birds was a rip-off of an older Newgrounds game that got lucky.

Zelda is THE original adventure game, like Wolfenstein 3D is the original FPS.
look at the sales numbers of Fifa and then look at the sales numbers of madden and nhl
how do sales matter here?

I'm saying if a sports games does have to be on the list it should obviously be the one that's actually popular, also sales indicate how widespread a games influence is. Do they even sell madden outside the us? FIFA on the other hand is massively popular all over the world, which is one of the lists criteria

Roam · June 06, 2015, 11:59:23 AM

Final Fantasy 6

it laid the foundation for most modern day JRPG's, arguably

Azumarill · June 06, 2015, 12:41:49 PM

SFII/Shadow of the Colossus need to be there soon methinks, otherwise list looks pretty good for now. Pokemon shoulda made the cut tho

🍁 Aria 🔮 · June 06, 2015, 12:50:01 PM

Quote from: Flee on June 06, 2015, 06:17:21 AM

Quote from: Prime Servitor on June 05, 2015, 03:36:19 PM
Quote from: Flee on June 05, 2015, 02:19:18 AM
Seems like a good list so far. Would've also expected Quake I to make an appearance.
A great game, but it didn't leave quite enough of a lasting impact to make the list.
I gotta disagree. Quake took the basics of Doom, added a console and shaped pretty much every FPS game that currently exists.

The Quake engine served as the basis for the entirety of Valve's Source engine, some 007 games, Medal of Honor, the later Wolfenstein games, Quake Wars, Rage, Doom 3, Prey, and pretty much all of the COD games.

Doom and Wolfenstein 3D are the godfathers of the FPS genre, but it's Quake that made it significantly faster, better, competitive and laid the foundations for pretty much all FPS games to come after. I personally don't think either of the three original games (Wolfenstein 3D, Doom and Quake) deserves to be the one landmark game for the FPS genre by itself. But if I had to pick the one that made the basic concept into what we have today, I'd go with Quake.

It built upon what Wolfenstein 3D and DOOM already did. It in itself wasn't revolutionary, and despite the fact that it did indeed bring FPS closer to the current day, it hasn't had the lasting recognition of Wolfenstein or DOOM. If you ask anybody, DOOM or Wolfenstein is that really old shooter. They are recognized and, unfortunately, Quake isn't.

Not to say that I wouldn't agree if Quake made the list, because you're right, it's a fantastic game. But at least for the first wave, the games that set the industry? I can see why it didn't make the list. At least yet.