Quote from: LC on April 22, 2015, 07:21:27 PMYou can like something and still recognize that it has faults and problems that can either be fixed or improved.And it should be the developers' job to fix them. Not ours.
You can like something and still recognize that it has faults and problems that can either be fixed or improved.
QuoteI would not be able to get this same mileage out of vanilla Skyrim.You probably shouldn't.300 hours of one game? I'm not saying I haven't done that before, but that's still excessive.
I would not be able to get this same mileage out of vanilla Skyrim.
And why shouldn't I fix them if I can?
Mods keep things fresh so it's quite easy to spend over 300 hours over a period of 5 years on a single game. On my next run of Skyrim I'm going to do a tropical overhaul with flintlock weapons and a piracy mod installed that gives me my own ship, lets me recruit a crew, and lets me set sail to do a bunch of random events that involve things like piracy (duh) and treasure hunting.This isn't excessive if it's fun.
Quote from: LC on April 22, 2015, 09:39:42 PMAnd why shouldn't I fix them if I can?Because that's going to clue developers in to thinking that, "Hey, we don't have to put in all that much effort for our next game. The community will do it for us!"
QuoteMods keep things fresh so it's quite easy to spend over 300 hours over a period of 5 years on a single game. On my next run of Skyrim I'm going to do a tropical overhaul with flintlock weapons and a piracy mod installed that gives me my own ship, lets me recruit a crew, and lets me set sail to do a bunch of random events that involve things like piracy (duh) and treasure hunting.This isn't excessive if it's fun.It's excessive. Not to mention, that absolutely fucks up the lore, which is exactly what I mean when I say that it ruins the artistic integrity of the game.If ruining art is your thing, what the fuck ever. But it's not mine.
If their franchise is going to continue growing they can't. Companies like Bethesda know this which is exactly why they can't slack off. Especially since they have console ports that can't be modified due to the closed nature of those platforms.
You're the only one who considers this "ruining art".
Even the developers support this kind of stuff.
How are graphical mods ruining art?
Yes, people are idiots. I'm well aware.If I was a developer, I would be insulted if people started modding my games.It would be a fucking insult.
Quote from: Batch on April 22, 2015, 09:48:29 PMHow are graphical mods ruining art?Because it's not how the game was originally. That's the basic, fundamental problem I have with mods. They change the game. I don't like that. It just feels dirty as fuck, like someone got their grubby disgusting hands all over the touch screen of my laptop.
It may have been your creation, but it is not your right to force people to do with it what you want them to do.
Except some of these mods are fixing glitches and bugs
Quote from: LC on April 22, 2015, 09:53:36 PMIf their franchise is going to continue growing they can't. Companies like Bethesda know this which is exactly why they can't slack off. Especially since they have console ports that can't be modified due to the closed nature of those platforms.Still, on principle, the game should be good out of the gate. If the game sucks, which it does, and is only made better with mods, then the game doesn't deserve to be played. Why don't these modders just make their own games, if they have so many bright ideas?
QuoteYou're the only one who considers this "ruining art".Fuck. Guess I can't have my opinion anymore, then.
If I was a developer, I would be insulted if people started modding my games.It would be a fucking insult.
Quote from: Batch on April 22, 2015, 10:05:54 PMIt may have been your creation, but it is not your right to force people to do with it what you want them to do.Who said I'd force anyone to do anything? All I said is that I'd take it offensively. Because it IS offensive.If I make a game, everything that's in the game is how I'd intend it to be. No, there are no beach volleyball courses. There are no fucking pirates. My game is my game. You fuck with my game, you're fucking with my art, and I take that offensively.
AND then you sell that game to the public, who then do their own artistic creations within your game in the events it becomes too stale.
Quote from: Batch on April 22, 2015, 10:08:46 PMExcept some of these mods are fixing glitches and bugsThat's the devs' job. It's common knowledge among developers, too, that it's like a hydra. You patch a bug, only to have three more in its place. Like some amateur is gonna know what the fuck he's doing.
Hell about a year or so after Skyrim came out the Devs released a texture pack, which clearly shows they couldnt do everything they wanted to on time.
And everything was so peaceful yesterday that said mods are good for games
Then that's a flaw with the industry. You'd still probably use mods even if the developers could make their game exactly as they intended it to be, so...
Wind Waker, Super Metroid, and Super Mario World are basically flawless.
SMW happens to be the most popular game to ROM hack of all time.
I want to state that I don't put condiments on my burger as I want to respect the work of the people at the grill that made it for me. Salt and pepper shakers are likewise, sin.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on April 22, 2015, 07:38:14 PMI want to state that I don't put condiments on my burger as I want to respect the work of the people at the grill that made it for me. Salt and pepper shakers are likewise, sin.This is similar to something I was going to post. It's a good point.
Quote from: The Lord Ruler on April 22, 2015, 11:03:56 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on April 22, 2015, 07:38:14 PMI want to state that I don't put condiments on my burger as I want to respect the work of the people at the grill that made it for me. Salt and pepper shakers are likewise, sin.This is similar to something I was going to post. It's a good point.But it isn't.Food =/= art.Even if it was, condiments are always on burgers anyway, unless you specify.
Dont you dare modify that lego set you monster.*sips tea*
Plenty of people consider food to be art.