specs don't matter you silly bitch LMAO

Verbatim · April 28, 2017, 04:18:05 PM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 04:15:32 PM

Uhh, I could posit hypotheticals that make any nonsensical opinion seem valid. That's a shit way to think.

literally how

Dietrich Six · April 28, 2017, 04:18:41 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 04:18:05 PM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 04:15:32 PM
Uhh, I could posit hypotheticals that make any nonsensical opinion seem valid. That's a shit way to think.
literally how

How is it a bad way to think?

Verbatim · April 28, 2017, 04:19:53 PM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 04:18:41 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 04:18:05 PM
Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 04:15:32 PM
Uhh, I could posit hypotheticals that make any nonsensical opinion seem valid. That's a shit way to think.
literally how
How is it a bad way to think?

how is it a bad way to think

and no, you can't just posit any hypothetical--it has to actually work, and make sense

like mine

Dietrich Six · April 28, 2017, 04:22:42 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 04:19:53 PM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 04:18:41 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 04:18:05 PM
Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 04:15:32 PM
Uhh, I could posit hypotheticals that make any nonsensical opinion seem valid. That's a shit way to think.
literally how
How is it a bad way to think?
how is it a bad way to think

and no, you can't just posit any hypothetical--it has to actually work, and make sense

like mine

I have an excellent theory on why the Nazis were correct.

Hypotheticals are only worth discussing if they planned to be implemented. I don't see anyone putting your hypothetical in to practice.

Verbatim · April 28, 2017, 04:24:40 PM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 04:22:42 PM

I have an excellent theory on why the Nazis were correct.

Hypotheticals are only worth discussing if they planned to be implemented. I don't see anyone putting your hypothetical in to practice.

i mean, i only gave like thirty million examples in this one thread

including myself--i'd make a game that is designed to be run on shitty hardware just to prove my own point

Dietrich Six · April 28, 2017, 04:29:09 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 04:24:40 PM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 04:22:42 PM
I have an excellent theory on why the Nazis were correct.

Hypotheticals are only worth discussing if they planned to be implemented. I don't see anyone putting your hypothetical in to practice.
i mean, i only gave like thirty million examples in this one thread

including myself--i'd make a game that is designed to be run on shitty hardware just to prove my own point

That kinda skews the whole argument.

"No one would willingly eat dog shit."

"Herp derp, I'm eating shit rn just to prove my point."

As for your other examples I haven't read through the whole thread.

Verbatim · April 28, 2017, 04:33:49 PM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 04:29:09 PM

That kinda skews the whole argument.

"No one would willing eat dog shit."

"Herp derp, I'm eating shit rn just to prove my point."

I mean, I wouldn't have to eat dogshit to prove that some people would eat it. There's far crazier shit on the Internet.

How would that skew the argument anyway? Do you just not like being proved wrong?

challengerX · April 28, 2017, 05:31:52 PM

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Dietrich Six · April 28, 2017, 05:35:49 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 04:33:49 PM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 04:29:09 PM
That kinda skews the whole argument.

"No one would willing eat dog shit."

"Herp derp, I'm eating shit rn just to prove my point."
I mean, I wouldn't have to eat dogshit to prove that some people would eat it. There's far crazier shit on the Internet.

How would that skew the argument anyway? Do you just not like being proved wrong?

Doing something you wouldn't normally do, specifically to prove a point, isn't an accurate way to defend your argument.

Verbatim · April 28, 2017, 05:36:07 PM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 05:31:52 PM

It's just objectively better hardware. End of story.

Wrong

the irony here is that people are always accusing me of treating my opinions as though they're facts--something i never do, yet people call me on it ALL the time

yet here you are, treating your opinion as if it's a fact, and nobody gives a fuck

it's pretty great

Verbatim · April 28, 2017, 05:37:46 PM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 05:35:49 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 04:29:09 PM
That kinda skews the whole argument.

"No one would willing eat dog shit."

"Herp derp, I'm eating shit rn just to prove my point."
I mean, I wouldn't have to eat dogshit to prove that some people would eat it. There's far crazier shit on the Internet.

How would that skew the argument anyway? Do you just not like being proved wrong?
Doing something you wouldn't normally do, specifically to prove a point, isn't an accurate way to defend your argument.

In general, I can kinda see what you mean, but in this specific case, why not?

Dietrich Six · April 28, 2017, 05:40:16 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 05:37:46 PM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 05:35:49 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 04:29:09 PM
That kinda skews the whole argument.

"No one would willing eat dog shit."

"Herp derp, I'm eating shit rn just to prove my point."
I mean, I wouldn't have to eat dogshit to prove that some people would eat it. There's far crazier shit on the Internet.

How would that skew the argument anyway? Do you just not like being proved wrong?
Doing something you wouldn't normally do, specifically to prove a point, isn't an accurate way to defend your argument.
In general, I can kinda see what you mean, but in this specific case, why not?

If you never had this argument would you build a game specifically for inferior hardware?

challengerX · April 28, 2017, 05:44:59 PM

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Verbatim · April 28, 2017, 05:49:18 PM

Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 05:40:16 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 05:37:46 PM
Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 05:35:49 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: Dietrich Six on April 28, 2017, 04:29:09 PM
That kinda skews the whole argument.

"No one would willing eat dog shit."

"Herp derp, I'm eating shit rn just to prove my point."
I mean, I wouldn't have to eat dogshit to prove that some people would eat it. There's far crazier shit on the Internet.

How would that skew the argument anyway? Do you just not like being proved wrong?
Doing something you wouldn't normally do, specifically to prove a point, isn't an accurate way to defend your argument.
In general, I can kinda see what you mean, but in this specific case, why not?
If you never had this argument would you build a game specifically for inferior hardware?

I've played with the idea for a few years, yeah. Not just with games--I just extend the principle to all art.

I've played games like Battle Kid, which was released in 2010 and designed solely for the old-school Nintendo. I've seen silent films like The Artist, which was made in 2011. I've heard lots and lots of lo-fi records that don't use state-of-the-art recording technology. I've seen abstract art exhibits where it's just a bunch of broken junk piled up on a mat.

Once it became clear to me that art doesn't have to utilize the best technology in the world, that's when I started coming up with my own ideas--which is not to say that I don't plan on ever making "high-effort" art in my life, but it really expands your whole artistic universe when you come to this realization.

Verbatim · April 28, 2017, 05:49:57 PM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 05:44:59 PM

Probably because it's not an opinion and it's a fact?

If it were a fact, then I couldn't possibly disagree with it.

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Verbatim · April 28, 2017, 05:53:42 PM

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Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 05:44:59 PM
Probably because it's not an opinion and it's a fact?
If it were a fact, then I couldn't possibly disagree with it.
Not sure that's correct. People disagree with factually correct information all the time.

NOT ME

in seriousness, the idea is that he hasn't given me sufficient reason--at all--to believe this apparent "fact"

i'm just supposed to automatically nod my head agree like a lapdog to the notion and bow down to PC for having more detailed textures, as if detail is the be-all-end-all for graphical quality, etc. etc.

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Verbatim · April 28, 2017, 06:07:29 PM

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Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 05:44:59 PM
Probably because it's not an opinion and it's a fact?
If it were a fact, then I couldn't possibly disagree with it.
You disagree with a lot of facts.

give me one reason to believe that PC graphics are objectively better than anything else

challengerX · April 28, 2017, 06:19:58 PM

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Verbatim · April 28, 2017, 06:20:39 PM

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Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 06:07:29 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 05:52:48 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 05:49:57 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 05:44:59 PM
Probably because it's not an opinion and it's a fact?
If it were a fact, then I couldn't possibly disagree with it.
You disagree with a lot of facts.
give me one reason to believe that PC graphics are objectively better than anything else
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having more detailed textures

i may like more detailed textures, but why is that objectively better

challengerX · April 28, 2017, 06:22:33 PM

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Verbatim · April 28, 2017, 06:24:55 PM

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Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 06:20:39 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 06:19:58 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 06:07:29 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 05:52:48 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 05:49:57 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 05:44:59 PM
Probably because it's not an opinion and it's a fact?
If it were a fact, then I couldn't possibly disagree with it.
You disagree with a lot of facts.
give me one reason to believe that PC graphics are objectively better than anything else
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having more detailed textures
i may like more detailed textures, but why is that objectively better
More detailed > less detailed

why

challengerX · April 28, 2017, 06:26:50 PM

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Verbatim · April 28, 2017, 06:27:07 PM

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Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 06:22:33 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 06:20:39 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 06:19:58 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 06:07:29 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 05:52:48 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 05:49:57 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 05:44:59 PM
Probably because it's not an opinion and it's a fact?
If it were a fact, then I couldn't possibly disagree with it.
You disagree with a lot of facts.
give me one reason to believe that PC graphics are objectively better than anything else
Quote
having more detailed textures
i may like more detailed textures, but why is that objectively better
More detailed > less detailed
why
Because it looks better. Just like putting the settings on ultra instead of very low.

why does it look better

challengerX · April 28, 2017, 06:44:35 PM

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Verbatim · April 28, 2017, 06:48:19 PM

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Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 06:27:07 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 06:26:50 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 06:22:33 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 06:20:39 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 06:19:58 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 06:07:29 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 05:52:48 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 05:49:57 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 05:44:59 PM
Probably because it's not an opinion and it's a fact?
If it were a fact, then I couldn't possibly disagree with it.
You disagree with a lot of facts.
give me one reason to believe that PC graphics are objectively better than anything else
Quote
having more detailed textures
i may like more detailed textures, but why is that objectively better
More detailed > less detailed
why
Because it looks better. Just like putting the settings on ultra instead of very low.
why does it look better
YouTube

You tell me

i already agree that more detail is better, because that's my personal taste

what i'm not understanding is how it's objectively better

which means that you believe that anyone who prefers less detail is wrong

Jono · April 28, 2017, 06:53:20 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 06:48:19 PM

Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 06:44:35 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 06:27:07 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 06:26:50 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 06:22:33 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 06:20:39 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 06:19:58 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 06:07:29 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 05:52:48 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on April 28, 2017, 05:49:57 PM
Quote from: challengerX on April 28, 2017, 05:44:59 PM
Probably because it's not an opinion and it's a fact?
If it were a fact, then I couldn't possibly disagree with it.
You disagree with a lot of facts.
give me one reason to believe that PC graphics are objectively better than anything else
Quote
having more detailed textures
i may like more detailed textures, but why is that objectively better
More detailed > less detailed
why
Because it looks better. Just like putting the settings on ultra instead of very low.
why does it look better
YouTube

You tell me
i already agree that more detail is better, because that's my personal taste

what i'm not understanding is how it's objectively better

which means that you believe that anyone who prefers less detail is wrong

If you prefer this over this then you have no right to talk about graphics and details.