So how was removing the coaxial machine gun on the scorpion "balancing" it?

Mattie G Indahouse · February 08, 2015, 05:08:18 AM

If anything all you do is make the thing harder to kill. The driver can be firing at targets behind him and the machine gunner would be firing at targets in front of him. If anything the tank was more balanced when it had that gun. The reason why is because the gun would be also controlled by the driver. So instead of having the tank having the ability to do what I said above. It would only be able to attack targets that the driver is facing. So the front of the tank or whatever direction the cannon is not pointing at would be defenseless.

A Cheese Potato · February 08, 2015, 05:25:02 AM

I guess it meant you could snipe the turret operator out and limit it's effectiveness but still it doesn't really do much.

BaconShelf · February 08, 2015, 06:09:44 AM

Because they knew no-one would ever use a secondary gun on a tank and it would just leave the driver with a HE turret.

Those diabolical sons-a-bitches.

Korra · February 08, 2015, 10:31:37 AM

Because no one ever uses the turret.

Tyger · February 08, 2015, 11:24:32 AM

The real question is why are you bitching about this 7 years later

Mattie G Indahouse · February 08, 2015, 01:22:52 PM

Quote from: Tyger on February 08, 2015, 11:24:32 AM

The real question is why are you bitching about this 7 years later

I was thinking about it today.

R o c k e t · February 08, 2015, 01:23:10 PM

Lack of use.

But also, I think having a huge cannon is enough firepower.

Mattie G Indahouse · February 08, 2015, 01:45:28 PM

Quote from: Val 'Ketam on February 08, 2015, 01:23:10 PM

Lack of use.

Why would that justify getting rid of it? The machine gun turret hardly gets used and that's still there.

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But also, I think having a huge cannon is enough firepower.

It's still nice to have the thing when the cannon is reloading. It's bullshit that you have to sit there and take damge from a target that could have been killed by the machine gun. It would have also been useful in the campaign. You can use the thing with the cannon while you're firing at phantoms.

Jono · February 08, 2015, 01:46:19 PM

Back in my day, the Scorpion wasn't useless.

I actually used both the main gun and the machine gun. Don't know why Bungie started to use the shitty gunner seat that never gets used and that only makes the Scorpion an easier target for ground forces to board/destroy.

CyberGama · February 08, 2015, 01:49:24 PM

Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:46:19 PM

Back in my day, the Scorpion wasn't useless.

I actually used both the main gun and the machine gun. Don't know why Bungie started to use the shitty gunner seat that never gets used and that only makes the Scorpion an easier target for ground forces to board/destroy.

>Balancing

I remember in the Halo 2 campaign the Scorpions in the campaign were OP. So it would make sense for Bungie to balance it.

Jono · February 08, 2015, 01:50:13 PM

Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:49:24 PM

Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:46:19 PM
Back in my day, the Scorpion wasn't useless.

I actually used both the main gun and the machine gun. Don't know why Bungie started to use the shitty gunner seat that never gets used and that only makes the Scorpion an easier target for ground forces to board/destroy.

>Balancing

I remember in the Halo 2 campaign the Scorpion in the campaign were OP. So it would make sense for Bungie to balance it.

Its a tank, its supposed to be powerful and not made of cardboard.

CyberGama · February 08, 2015, 01:53:44 PM

Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:50:13 PM

Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:46:19 PM
Back in my day, the Scorpion wasn't useless.

I actually used both the main gun and the machine gun. Don't know why Bungie started to use the shitty gunner seat that never gets used and that only makes the Scorpion an easier target for ground forces to board/destroy.

>Balancing

I remember in the Halo 2 campaign the Scorpion in the campaign were OP. So it would make sense for Bungie to balance it.
Its a tank, its supposed to be powerful and not made of cardboard.

"Hey guys, i want the OP Scorpion in MP so i can spam the turret fire and shooting the main gun at the same time, because it totally doesn't break the balance in Halo 2's MP"

Mattie G Indahouse · February 08, 2015, 01:55:29 PM

Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:49:24 PM

Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:46:19 PM
Back in my day, the Scorpion wasn't useless.

I actually used both the main gun and the machine gun. Don't know why Bungie started to use the shitty gunner seat that never gets used and that only makes the Scorpion an easier target for ground forces to board/destroy.

>Balancing

I remember in the Halo 2 campaign the Scorpions in the campaign were OP. So it would make sense for Bungie to balance it.

They did by nerfing the speed. Taking the machine gun out along with the speed decrease is just dumb. It should have been one or the other. Either have the speed without it or have the thing without the speed.

Jono · February 08, 2015, 01:56:35 PM

Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:53:44 PM

Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:50:13 PM
Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:46:19 PM
Back in my day, the Scorpion wasn't useless.

I actually used both the main gun and the machine gun. Don't know why Bungie started to use the shitty gunner seat that never gets used and that only makes the Scorpion an easier target for ground forces to board/destroy.

>Balancing

I remember in the Halo 2 campaign the Scorpion in the campaign were OP. So it would make sense for Bungie to balance it.
Its a tank, its supposed to be powerful and not made of cardboard.

"Hey guys, i want the OP Scorpion in MP so i can spam the turret fire and shooting the main gun at the same time, because it totally doesn't break the balance in Halo 2's MP"

From my experience the tank was not even that annoying.

Maybe if you weren't such a filthy casual at the game and couldn't kill a tank, the tank could have probably stayed the same like its supposed to be.

CyberGama · February 08, 2015, 01:57:47 PM

Quote from: BerzerkCommando on February 08, 2015, 01:55:29 PM

Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:46:19 PM
Back in my day, the Scorpion wasn't useless.

I actually used both the main gun and the machine gun. Don't know why Bungie started to use the shitty gunner seat that never gets used and that only makes the Scorpion an easier target for ground forces to board/destroy.

>Balancing

I remember in the Halo 2 campaign the Scorpions in the campaign were OP. So it would make sense for Bungie to balance it.
They did by nerfing the speed. Taking the machine gun out along with the speed decrease is just dumb. It should have been one or the other. Either have the speed without it or have the thing without the speed.

True, that did piss me off as well, i just don't understand the logic with Bungie, "Lets have spread" "lets remove spread" "Put spread back" "Make bloom totally worthless"

CyberGama · February 08, 2015, 01:59:39 PM

Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:56:35 PM

Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:53:44 PM
Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:50:13 PM
Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:46:19 PM
Back in my day, the Scorpion wasn't useless.

I actually used both the main gun and the machine gun. Don't know why Bungie started to use the shitty gunner seat that never gets used and that only makes the Scorpion an easier target for ground forces to board/destroy.

>Balancing

I remember in the Halo 2 campaign the Scorpion in the campaign were OP. So it would make sense for Bungie to balance it.
Its a tank, its supposed to be powerful and not made of cardboard.

"Hey guys, i want the OP Scorpion in MP so i can spam the turret fire and shooting the main gun at the same time, because it totally doesn't break the balance in Halo 2's MP"
From my experience the tank was not even that annoying.

Maybe if you weren't such a filthy casual at the game and couldn't kill a tank, the tank could have probably stayed the same like its supposed to be.

If it did, then the turret for the gun in Halo 2 needs to have a cool down system, it would help the balance for the scorpion in halo 2.

Mattie G Indahouse · February 08, 2015, 02:02:19 PM

Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:59:39 PM

Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:56:35 PM
Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:53:44 PM
Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:50:13 PM
Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:46:19 PM
Back in my day, the Scorpion wasn't useless.

I actually used both the main gun and the machine gun. Don't know why Bungie started to use the shitty gunner seat that never gets used and that only makes the Scorpion an easier target for ground forces to board/destroy.

>Balancing

I remember in the Halo 2 campaign the Scorpion in the campaign were OP. So it would make sense for Bungie to balance it.
Its a tank, its supposed to be powerful and not made of cardboard.

"Hey guys, i want the OP Scorpion in MP so i can spam the turret fire and shooting the main gun at the same time, because it totally doesn't break the balance in Halo 2's MP"
From my experience the tank was not even that annoying.

Maybe if you weren't such a filthy casual at the game and couldn't kill a tank, the tank could have probably stayed the same like its supposed to be.

If it did, then the turret for the gun in Halo 2 needs to have a cool down system, it would help the balance for the scorpion in halo 2.

In BF1942 the machine guns do that. You fire so many rounds and then the thing cools down. That's what Bungie should have done. It's amazing how much little though went into their games.

R o c k e t · February 08, 2015, 02:06:52 PM

Quote from: BerzerkCommando on February 08, 2015, 01:45:28 PM

Quote from: Val 'Ketam on February 08, 2015, 01:23:10 PM
Lack of use.
Why would that justify getting rid of it? The machine gun turret hardly gets used and that's still there.
Quote
But also, I think having a huge cannon is enough firepower.
It's still nice to have the thing when the cannon is reloading. It's bullshit that you have to sit there and take damge from a target that could have been killed by the machine gun. It would have also been useful in the campaign. You can use the thing with the cannon while you're firing at phantoms.

I agree it should have stayed in Campaign, screw the gunner seat.

CyberGama · February 08, 2015, 02:09:44 PM

Quote from: BerzerkCommando on February 08, 2015, 02:02:19 PM

Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:59:39 PM
Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:56:35 PM
Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:53:44 PM
Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:50:13 PM
Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:46:19 PM
Back in my day, the Scorpion wasn't useless.

I actually used both the main gun and the machine gun. Don't know why Bungie started to use the shitty gunner seat that never gets used and that only makes the Scorpion an easier target for ground forces to board/destroy.

>Balancing

I remember in the Halo 2 campaign the Scorpion in the campaign were OP. So it would make sense for Bungie to balance it.
Its a tank, its supposed to be powerful and not made of cardboard.

"Hey guys, i want the OP Scorpion in MP so i can spam the turret fire and shooting the main gun at the same time, because it totally doesn't break the balance in Halo 2's MP"
From my experience the tank was not even that annoying.

Maybe if you weren't such a filthy casual at the game and couldn't kill a tank, the tank could have probably stayed the same like its supposed to be.

If it did, then the turret for the gun in Halo 2 needs to have a cool down system, it would help the balance for the scorpion in halo 2.
In BF1942 the machine guns do that. You fire so many rounds and then the thing cools down. That's what Bungie should have done. It's amazing how much little though went into their games.

I'm even surprised that they never thought of the cool down system until there broken game called Reach.

Mattie G Indahouse · February 08, 2015, 02:16:19 PM

Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 02:09:44 PM

Quote from: BerzerkCommando on February 08, 2015, 02:02:19 PM
Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:59:39 PM
Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:56:35 PM
Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:53:44 PM
Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:50:13 PM
Quote from: SpaceGama on February 08, 2015, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: Jono on February 08, 2015, 01:46:19 PM
Back in my day, the Scorpion wasn't useless.

I actually used both the main gun and the machine gun. Don't know why Bungie started to use the shitty gunner seat that never gets used and that only makes the Scorpion an easier target for ground forces to board/destroy.

>Balancing

I remember in the Halo 2 campaign the Scorpion in the campaign were OP. So it would make sense for Bungie to balance it.
Its a tank, its supposed to be powerful and not made of cardboard.

"Hey guys, i want the OP Scorpion in MP so i can spam the turret fire and shooting the main gun at the same time, because it totally doesn't break the balance in Halo 2's MP"
From my experience the tank was not even that annoying.

Maybe if you weren't such a filthy casual at the game and couldn't kill a tank, the tank could have probably stayed the same like its supposed to be.

If it did, then the turret for the gun in Halo 2 needs to have a cool down system, it would help the balance for the scorpion in halo 2.
In BF1942 the machine guns do that. You fire so many rounds and then the thing cools down. That's what Bungie should have done. It's amazing how much little though went into their games.

I'm even surprised that they never thought of the cool down system until there broken game called Reach.

I know. Bf1942 is a 2001 or 2 game. So you would think someone at Bungie would have played it and took ideas from it.