So Halo 3 is coming out on Xbone, and you guys want me to 1v1 Chally agian...

challengerX · July 09, 2017, 04:24:48 PM

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Verbatim · July 09, 2017, 04:31:57 PM

Quote from: challengerX on July 09, 2017, 04:24:48 PM

Halo is a an excellent game.

nobody cares about your shitty opinions

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as much skill*

every weapon needs to require as much skill to master as the other

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That's not how arena shooters work.

it's how they should work

otherwise arena shooters are ALL bad

challengerX · July 09, 2017, 04:36:41 PM

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Azumarill · July 09, 2017, 04:44:41 PM

Quote from: Zonda on July 09, 2017, 09:37:59 AM

The movement is floaty and sandbox revolves around like, 4 core weapons (inb4 Azu).

Verbatim · July 09, 2017, 04:47:44 PM

Quote from: challengerX on July 09, 2017, 04:36:41 PM

Mine matter cause I'm not dumb.

then you would be able to defend them

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It's like I just told you nobody cares about emotionally charged shitty opinions. You done crying now?

here we go again

None of my opinions are emotionally charged. None of them.

If anything, every single one of yours is.

challengerX · July 09, 2017, 04:52:54 PM

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Flee · July 09, 2017, 04:54:31 PM

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Verbatim · July 09, 2017, 04:57:13 PM

Quote from: Flee on July 09, 2017, 04:54:31 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 09, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
otherwise arena shooters are ALL bad
Arena shooters are both objectively and literally the best kind of game though.

not if they're deliberately imbalanced and designed so that some weapons have lower skill gaps than others

Jono · July 09, 2017, 05:24:58 PM

Quote from: challengerX on July 09, 2017, 03:10:22 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 09, 2017, 01:20:22 PM
Quote from: challengerX on July 09, 2017, 01:15:10 PM
ok deci
have you read your posts in this thread

you're the deci here
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You only make yourself look dumb by cutting out the rest of my post where I explain that both our personal opinions on which weapon is fun doesn't really matter when it comes to game mechanics and balance.
my opinion is based on the fact that the game has shit mechanics and shit balance

because it has shit mechanics and shit balance
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You're an idiot, basically.
then why am i destroying you
"this game is bad because I say it is"

Woah another intelligent post from ya boy verbatim

He's just pretending his opinions are facts, you know, something he NEVER does

Verbatim · July 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM

i still haven't done it

Verbatim · July 09, 2017, 05:52:21 PM

Quote from: challengerX on July 09, 2017, 04:52:54 PM

I have. You just said all arena shooters are trash.

Ok, you don't like arena shooters. Cool. I don't care.

find an arena shooter that actually attempts to balance its weapons and doesn't have weapons with low skill gaps, and you've found yourself an arena shooter that isn't fucking garbage

i have reason to believe that quake is one of them

Flee · July 09, 2017, 05:59:27 PM

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Verbatim · July 09, 2017, 06:40:33 PM

Quote from: Flee on July 09, 2017, 05:59:27 PM

Doesn't the same hold true for any game though? I don't care much about fighting games, but I think it's pretty well accepted that some characters just have higher potential and are harder to master than others.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean they're deliberately designed that way. Ryu in Street Fighter is designed to be basic and easy to learn, but mastery requires a lot of training—as with any other character in the game.

It's true that some characters are harder to master than others, but that's not deliberate—competitive games aren't supposed to be easy like that. It may be impossible to make a perfectly balanced roster of characters, but you can still try. If you could master a character in a day, because he has a low skill ceiling, that's not very good design. These kinds of games are meant to be much more intense and challenging than that.

Challenger is trying to tell me that the fact that there are weapons in Halo that are easier to master than others is just a function of arena shooters, and they're not meant to be well-designed. Of course I'm gonna take issue with that.

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How high a skill gap/cap is can also be kind of subjective. Think Quake for example. What takes the most skill or is the hardest to master: rail gun, grenade launcher or lightning gun?

[snip]

It's pretty impossible to pick out one that is harder or easier than the others.

(edit: nvm, seems like you already got that from your other post)

Yeah. And while I don't disagree that balance is a difficult thing to quantify for most games, I think Halo (as a whole) is a very blatant example of an unbalanced mess of a series, and I've played my fair share of Halo games with my friends to know that there is no balance whatsoever—especially Halo 2 (despite having the most fun with it).

Challenger himself admitted earlier that Needlers are low-skill weapons that are easy to use and master. In Halo 2, the needler was notoriously OP, especially because you could dual-wield them.

Halo 1 had the stupid pistol.

And if Halo 3 were balanced at all, challenger wouldn't be so keen on banning all weapons except for the BR. That's all I'm saying, and I really don't think it's that unreasonable. To say that the BR puts both players on a level playing field would be tacitly admitting that other weapons would throw that balance off, hence the game is unbalanced. And therefore bad.

Verbatim · July 09, 2017, 06:52:24 PM

Melee is a weird example because the game was never intended to be played competitively in the first place—it just turns out that it makes a really excellent competitive game, especially considering the fact that it wasn't meant to be.

That game is grossly imbalanced—the viability between characters like Fox and Bowser is disgusting, but I give it a pass for never trying to be competitive in the first place.

When a game like Halo tries to be a competitive and fails, that's when you start having problems.

Azumarill · July 09, 2017, 07:30:57 PM

extremely funny thread

Verbatim · July 09, 2017, 07:33:29 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on July 09, 2017, 07:30:57 PM

extremely funny thread

Halo is garbage

Azumarill · July 09, 2017, 07:37:18 PM

no, you're just garbage

Deleted · July 09, 2017, 07:38:09 PM

Halo was a mistake

Verbatim · July 09, 2017, 07:38:45 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on July 09, 2017, 07:37:18 PM

no, you're just garbage

what if i'm the best halo player in the world

what then

is it impossible for someone to be good at the game, but still hate it

Deleted · July 09, 2017, 07:41:08 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 09, 2017, 07:38:45 PM

is it impossible for someone to be good at the game, but still hate it

Prime example

Metroid Other M

challengerX · July 09, 2017, 08:54:36 PM

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Zonda · July 09, 2017, 09:56:14 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on July 09, 2017, 04:44:41 PM

FIGHT ME CUNTY

Verbatim · July 09, 2017, 11:59:54 PM

Quote from: challengerX on July 09, 2017, 08:54:36 PM

What did you think I was saying?

i can never tell

Super Irish · July 10, 2017, 06:28:59 AM

Oh boy, what episode of "Verbatim hates everything" is this?

Looks like a re-run because it's got the same characters and plot involved.

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · July 10, 2017, 09:40:53 AM

Why do people spell it xbone?

its Xbox One

not X Box One

So here, you take the first two letters of the first word and then the entire number 'one'.
So PlayStation would be Plfrour?

OT: 1v1 you rock-'em sock 'em cock suck 'em.

True Turquoise · July 10, 2017, 03:54:40 PM

@peach

Dietrich Six · July 11, 2017, 12:47:43 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on July 09, 2017, 04:31:57 PM

Quote from: challengerX on July 09, 2017, 04:24:48 PM
Halo is a an excellent game.
nobody cares about your shitty opinions

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as much skill*
every weapon needs to require as much skill to master as the other

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That's not how arena shooters work.
it's how they should work

otherwise arena shooters are ALL bad

Bruh, that's not even how fighting games work. Characters with higher skill caps will always trump basic characters if you have the skill to use them.

Dietrich Six · July 11, 2017, 12:51:08 AM

Nvm, flee covered it

True Turquoise · July 11, 2017, 01:50:08 AM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on July 10, 2017, 09:40:53 AM

Why do people spell it xbone?

its Xbox One

not X Box One

So here, you take the first two letters of the first word and then the entire number 'one'.
So PlayStation would be Plfrour?

OT: 1v1 you rock-'em sock 'em cock suck 'em.

Same reason they call it the Pisspoor

Lazy